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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:12 AM
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I don't understand the rationale behind it -- I need help?
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 AM by Hutzpa
Why would these Democrats voted yes on the Stupak bill but voted no on the final health care bill.

Altmire, Barrow, Boccieri, Boren, Bright, Chandler, Childers, Davis (AL), Davis (TN), Gordon (TN), Griffith, Holden, Marshall, Matheson, McIntyre, Melancon, Peterson, Ross, Shuler, Skelton, Tanner, Taylor, Teague

I thought the Stupak amendment was suppose to be a compromise.

Apparently these guys voted to kill the bill outrightly.

Boren, Bright, Cardoza, Childers, Costa, Cuellar, Ellsworth, Gordon (TN), Griffith, Matheson,
Minnick, Murphy (NY), Pomeroy



Edit:
And the health care bill had the Stupak amendments which was passed earlier....
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:15 AM
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1. Because they are jerks. Or they come from blood red districts and that is what their constituents
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 01:16 AM by emulatorloo
wanted them to do.

Because their constituents are jerks
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:15 AM
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2. Because they are assholes?
:shrug:
Double dealing jerks.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:16 AM
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3. Cuellar was Gov. George W. Bush's Secretary of State
don't know about the rest. Cuellar runs and gets elected as a Democrat. He is not a Democrat.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:18 AM
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4. They care more about those aren't born, then those who are. They are morally dispiciple
I could understand a person being against abortion, but I cannot understand a person being against abortion, and against food stamps or welfare as another example

It contradicts what "they" say they believe in, i.e. the sanctity of life

Why would anyone trust someone like that. I would hope their districts vote them out

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:21 AM
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5. The reasoning is completely
off, they voted for the Stupak bill which passed but then voted against
the final health care bill which includes the stupak bill.

As Micheal Steele would say... whats the deal yo? :rofl:
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:26 AM
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6. Because the look at their districts and think that if they vote yes they lose their jobs.
They voted yes, because the right wing religious zealots who prefer women to shove a close hanger in your uterus and die rather than being able to see a doctor for an abortion will take their jobs away from them. Their vote was calculated to appeal to their constituents on the next political campaign. They never intended to vote for the bill and wanted to ring all the support they can from right wing Christians.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:30 AM
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7. That is down right evil
there should be a special place for people like these.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 01:32 AM
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8. There is, they call it Congress....
I'm not saying there are good people in Congress, but it does have its monumental assholes who care only about the power.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 05:18 AM
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9. Special place for whom, politicians?
Blue Dogs (for the most part) are no different from any other Democrats except that their constituents are morons. If Henry Waxman represented Travis Childers' district he would most likely vote a lot like Travis Childers does now and vice versa.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:42 AM
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10. I guess from that perspective
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 11:42 AM by Hutzpa
you can summarize that as long as there are people in these constituency that are
stupid enough to vote for them, we're going to continuously see this idiocy.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 03:27 PM
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11. As long as there are large numbers of uninformed idiots voting, we will get bad policy
There is some degree of difference in which politicians will represent the same constituency differently. For example, Jon Tester has been a lot more favorable to serious health care reform than Max Baucus has. But some of the blue dogs do truly live in districts that would still overwhelmingly vote for George W Bush if he were on the ballot today and there's simply not a whole lot of leeway that you can have when you represent that kind of stupid.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 06:10 PM
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12. Taking a toxic dump.
They weren't ever going to vote for HCR.

Their calculation was to load the bill with an amendment so onerous that more Democrats would vote it down in the end.

This helps give them political cover. They can point to the final number who voted no and say, "See, I was just one of many."

Well, it didn't work out for them that way. Most Democrats held their noses and voted to pass it, even with Stupak.

Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made.
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