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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 04:54 AM
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First Frank Rich, now Richard Cohen: Does Obama Have the Backbone?
What's going on with these guys?


By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, October 6, 2009

Barack Obama's trip to Copenhagen to pitch Chicago for the Olympics would have been a dumb move whatever the outcome. But as it turned out (an airy dismissal would not be an unfair description), it poses some questions about his presidency that are way more important than the proper venue for synchronized swimming. The first, and to my mind most important, is whether Obama knows who he is.

This business of self-knowledge is no minor issue. It bears greatly on the single most crucial issue facing this young and untested president: Afghanistan. Already, we have his choice for Afghanistan commander, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, taking the measure of his commander in chief and publicly telling him what to do. This MacArthuresque star turn called for a Trumanesque response, but Obama offered nothing of the kind. Instead, he used McChrystal as a prop, adding a bit of four-star gravitas to that silly trip to Copenhagen by having the general meet with him there.

This is the president we now have: He inspires lots of affection but not a lot of awe. It is the latter, though, that matters most in international affairs, where the greatest and most gut-wrenching tests await Obama. If he remains consistent to his rhetoric of just seven weeks ago, he will send more troops to Afghanistan and more of them will die. "This is not a war of choice," he said. "This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al-Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans."

...

Foreign policy realists question whether any effort in Afghanistan can succeed. Possibly they are right. The interventionists, if I may call them that, suggest the realists are being unrealistic -- that Afghanistan matters and it matters much more than Iraq or, before that, Vietnam ever did and that we can prevail. Possibly they are right.

But the ultimate in realism is for the president to gauge himself and who he is: Does he have the stomach and commitment for what is likely to continue to be an unpopular war? Will he send additional troops, but hedge by not sending enough -- so that the dying will be in vain? What does he believe, and will he ask Americans to die for it? Only he knows the answers to these questions. But based on his zigzagging so far and the suggestion from the Copenhagen trip that the somber seriousness of the presidency has yet to sink in, we have reason to wonder.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/05/AR2009100502783.html



Link to Frank Rich's attack- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8684821
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 05:22 AM
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1.  Hate less, live longer. n/t
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 05:31 AM
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2. Are he and his lady thumbing their noses at us?
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 05:32 AM
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3. Hate less, live longer. n/t
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 06:40 AM
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4. ? nt
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 07:22 AM
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5. Everybody has forgotten the Somali Pirate incident, I guess.
He had the "stomach" to order shoot to kill then.

GIVE THE MAN A BREAK! He will do what he thinks is right, after all sides are heard. What more can one ask of someone who has an impossible task? He is a good and decent human being. I, for one, do trust he will do what is best, in just one of many terrible messes he was left with.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 11:39 PM
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17. If he continues this war
Edited on Wed Oct-07-09 11:40 PM by jeanpalmer
he's not a "good and decent human being." And deciding to get out is not "an impossible task," if he adheres to principle and has a set.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 07:46 AM
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6. They do that to all modern Dem Presidents
Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and now Barack Obama

Only "fearless" (others might say "clueless") Republicans have the "guts" to wade into foreign misadventures without a care.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 07:54 AM
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7. So, you applaud Cohen cheering up for more troops? Because this is what he is doing.
The Right Wing is using talking straw men to attack Obama and bully him in sending more troops and they are treated as hero here?

Or are you showing your roots here, in using Cohen as a support for your argument.
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 08:12 AM
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8. I would like to know
Edited on Wed Oct-07-09 08:13 AM by hileeopnyn8d
why you think I should value Richard Cohen and his infinite wisdom.

This is a guy who thought only sissies and the French should have any second thoughts about invading Iraq. A guy who pondered earlier this year whether Dick Cheney was right and torture was good. A guy who thought Scooter Libby was treated unfairly. A guy who thought Colbert was a bully by joking about the Bush Admin during the correspondents dinner, but thought Bush's joke about not finding WMD's was funny. A guy who condemned Clinton for Monica Lewinsky yet had an affair with Peter Jennings wife.

That's just a start, I don't put much stock into Richard Cohen's opinions.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 08:27 AM
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9. Because for this poster, Cohen is negative toward Obama and that is all that matters.
Correct?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 08:24 AM
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18. well, duh.
:P
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 03:06 PM
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19. Yeah, but not everyone has caught
on yet. :)
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:08 PM
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20. Well I did, or I wouldn't have asked the question.
On the minuscule chance the OP might answer me, I was interested in seeing them twist themselves into a pretzel.

:P
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 04:14 PM
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21. And, you ask a lot of good questions!
And, got bupkis for answers. :shakeshead:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:12 PM
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14. I wonder why, hileeopnyn8d?
Please see post # 13.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 08:43 AM
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10. Pay attention! The question becomes NOT "Should we stay in Afghanistan"
but instead - "Does Obama have the GUTS to stay in Afghanistan".

Very important. And what do people end up discussing?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 08:58 AM
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11. Richard Cohen is a king size wanker. nt
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 09:49 PM
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12. armchair quarterbacking is easy. They should put their money where their mouths are...
file and run for the job.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:10 PM
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13. The mediawhore rag the WP and the mediawhore, richard cohen..
and masuki want to start this shit again? Okay, here we go.

Maddow on the rwankers whining about PO going to Copenhagen..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x382814

Richard Cohen (WAPO) writes yet another pro-torture column: "What if Cheney is right?"

"Richard Cohen, who recently begged that Bush-era torturers not be investigated or prosecuted, today has written yet another piece condoning torture and asking that the memos Cheney cites, purportedly proving the efficacy of torture, be released.

Cohen does not ask for documents which could undermine Cheney's point, nor does he once mention the Convention Against Torture, which makes the practice illegal under any circumstances. He is clearly angry that we flooded his latest pro-torture column with dissenting voices.

But you be the judge. I invite you to read the piece and post your comment in the readers' section:"

Uuuoo, there's even a pic of richard cohen and dick cheney..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/11/AR2009051102668.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5637400
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:58 PM
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16. Well, at least Cohen gave up trying to link Obama to Farrakhan.
Anyone paying attention would realize Cohen is a huge asshole.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-07-09 10:51 PM
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15. Cohen at least knew which Obama bashing op piece to release
I'm sure he had the one where the Chicago Olympics were lost because Obama DIDN'T go to Copenhagen. Cohen (and Rich) made sure to file the other one where Obama is to blame for Chicago not getting the nod because Obama DID go to Copenhagen.

The rest of the halfwitted shit practically writes itself.

:crazy:


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:30 PM
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22. ROFL
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:54 PM
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23. You funky ass goes on Ignore as of today.......
I ain't got time to smell your daily shit anymore!
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