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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:27 PM
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Frank Rich Unloads On Obama

The Rabbit Ragu Democrats
By FRANK RICH

...Barack Obama promised a change from this revolving-door, behind-closed-doors collaboration between special interests and government. He vowed to “do our business in the light of day” — with health care negotiations broadcast on C-Span — and to “restore the vital trust between people and their government.” He said, “I intend to tell the corporate lobbyists that their days of setting the agenda in Washington are over.” That those lobbyists would so extravagantly flaunt their undiminished role shows just how little they believe that a new sheriff has arrived in Dodge. . . .

Obama’s promise to make Americans trust the government again was not just another campaign bullet point; it’s the foundation of his brand of governance and essential to his success in office. At the first anniversary of the TARP bailout of the banks, we can see how far he has to go. Americans’ continued suspicion that Washington is in cahoots with powerful interests . . . is contributing to their confusion and skepticism about what’s happening out of view in the battle over health care reform.

The public is not wrong. The administration’s legislative deals with the pharmaceutical companies were made in back rooms. Business Week reported in early August that the UnitedHealth Group and its fellow insurance giants had already quietly rounded up moderate Democrats in the House to block any public health care option that would compete with them for business. UnitedHealth’s hired Beltway gunslingers include both Elmendorf Strategies and Daschle, a public supporter of the public option who nonetheless does some of his “wink, wink” counseling for UnitedHealth. The company’s in-house lobbyist is a former chief of staff to Steny Hoyer, the House majority leader. Gephardt consults there too...

Meanwhile, we’re hearing of behind-the-scenes Congressional softening of perhaps the most promising component of the White House’s modest financial regulatory package, a Consumer Financial Protection Agency. Real-estate brokerages are being exempted from its purview, and banks will not be required to offer “plain vanilla” mortgages. As in health care, the question of what the White House will really fight for in financial reform remains open. While the ostentatious daily predators’ ball at Ristorante Tosca is a bad omen, we don’t know yet whether that omen is for the lobbyists, or the Obama administration, or both.

This is history that the president still has the power to write. It will be written in the bills he will or won’t sign into law. We can only hope that he learned an important lesson from his stunning failure to secure Olympic gold for his political home of Chicago last week. If the Olympic committee has the audacity to stand up to a lobbyist as powerful as the president of the United States, then surely the president of the United States can stand up to the powerful interests angling to defeat his promise of reform.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/04/opinion/04rich.html



Finance regulation, real finance regulation, needs to happen.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:41 PM
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1. Ouch.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:45 PM
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2. It's like we have a Republican-lite in office ... i mean WTF?!?
Ah well...i am hoping with these continuing failures brought to light the WH will grow to become great and for the people. Things have to change and it is so baffling to see such a perfect opportunity to make it happen be squandered by lack of leadership...or lets put it more frankly...balls.
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:20 PM
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23. I hate to tell everybody I told you so.
but what the hell.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:46 PM
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3. Rich is becoming a fucking idiot!
This is history that the president still has the power to write. It will be written in the bills he will or won’t sign into law. We can only hope that he learned an important lesson from his stunning failure to secure Olympic gold for his political home of Chicago last week. If the Olympic committee has the audacity to stand up to a lobbyist as powerful as the president of the United States, then surely the president of the United States can stand up to the powerful interests angling to defeat his promise of reform.


Will or will not? That's definitive.

Obama unveils biggest regulatory overhaul since 1930s

"Stunning failure"? Here's a message for Rich.


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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:48 PM
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4. the fail junkies are jumping for joy no doubt
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:53 PM
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7. what's wrong with "will or won't sign into law"?
that's the reason you called him a fucking idiot? I don't even understand your objection to that phrase.

Do you really take issue with that part or are you just looking for something.

Regarding the "regulatory overhaul", Rich knows about it and obviously isn't impressed. Your article is from June, and Rich links to an article about the situation today on Wall Street, which suggests that overhaul isn't overhauling very much.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/17/business/17RISK.html
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:35 AM
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29. Reminds me of the time they got their panties in a bunch..
because Paul Krugman said "yea, but boo."

Classic ad hominem stuff.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:57 PM
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8. Email Frank Rich... who's being an asshole extraordinare
on PUSHING FAILURE. "Stunning Failure.."political home"..What the holey fuck!

Here's Rachel Maddow's take on the Fail Pushers regarding the Olympics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x382814

http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:33 AM
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43. Thanks, I e-mailed a strong fan letter in favor of Mr. Rich
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:58 PM
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10. Bullshit - he's been a big Obama supporter all along
Obama needs to show he's on the side of the public option, not corporations.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:01 PM
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13. Bullshit.
Edited on Sun Oct-04-09 09:11 PM by ProSense
Rich has been making stupid fucking statements for months.

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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:06 PM
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16. I read him every week
He's been an Obama supporter all along, until this week.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:30 PM
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26. Yep, he was.
He supported him in the primaries.

:7
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 10:44 PM
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27. You know what amazes me........
.... I have read "Audacity" more times than I can count .... well, I've HEARD it rather ..... I listen to it on the way home from work sometimes ..... something about his voice soothes my nerves .... but that's beside the point .... the book should have been titled, "what I will do when I am the President." Day after day there is SOMETHING that is happening in the news that he specifically addressed in the book. It's a virtual "future playbook to the Obama presidency."

Time and time again, some claim "he's is not living up to his campaing promises...." yet I have the man himself doing exactly what he wrote about three years ago.

Somebody's confused ...... that part I'm sure about. lol
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:53 AM
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39. Haven't trusted Rich since he lied about Gore in 2000 nt.
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LovinLife Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:49 PM
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5. I thought he was rather polite. Obama almost seem scared to stand up to the repukes.
How quick he was to turn on ACORN, but says nothing about Blackwater was astonishing. THen his speech to Wall Street was just a waste. I didn't even listen to all of it.


Does anyone else think Elliot Spitzer would make a great head of the SEC?
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:15 AM
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35. Eliot Spitzer has presidential potential
He's not afraid to take on entrenched interests. Plus he has shown he's willing to fight for the public good. Too bad he got derailed, but he can recover. Yes he would make a great head of the SEC.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:51 PM
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6. "stunning failure to secure Olympic gold for his political home of Chicago" = BS
Obama was damned if he went to Copenhagen to pitch for the USA (Chicago) and damned if he didn't go to Copenhagen to pitch for the USA.

That shit is called:
a) a cheap shot
b) a Repig talking point

Frank Rich needs to provide the link where Obama signed the healthcare legislation. I looked all over the Web and couldn't find it. Perhaps someone has the link?

:shrug:

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 08:57 PM
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9. Rich is becoming a
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:00 PM
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11. I like him, but he is misreading the dealio
Granted, it's been nine months and Obama hasn't changed everything that has happened for the last 30 years...

:crazy:


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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:00 PM
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12. Oh, grow up
This is just like the piling on of Helen Thomas. When a journalist has the balls to tell truth to power you all love it if it's a repuke involved.
Heaven forfend we hold our own leaders the the same standards.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:05 PM
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15. "Grow up"? There wasn't one thing in that post
that wasn't true.

Frank Rich is Pushing Fail on Obama's trip to help get the Olympics to Chicago for jobs and it didn't happen..so what?!

Big Deal and only a fail pusher or rw hack would call it a "stunning failure".

Here's Rachel Maddow's take on Obama's trip.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x382814
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:06 PM
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17. " piling on of Helen Thomas"? WTF?
Go back to your silly games if you think a pointless question (yes, I said pointless) asked of Gibbs is "balls to tell truth to power."

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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:13 PM
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21. Oh please...to not agree with Rich's screed means you are siding with "power" and not "truth"?
Thanks for the lecture. :eyes:
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:08 AM
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32. Forfend?
You all? We? Are you speaking in tongues?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:31 AM
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33. I agree
Obama did what a president should do - promoted America - it was never in the bag
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:03 PM
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14. Another Olympic failed bid pile-on. Fail. n/t
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:07 PM
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18. Hey there. Thanks for posting.
Gee...
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:10 PM
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19. Another Olympics-themed post? Will the idiocy never end?
I will not take anything seriously that ties a failure to get the Olympics here on par with anything else a President does seriously. The Olympics! I mean, really.
Legitimate points can be made without adding that crap in. The left and the right (at least pundits, whom I never think care much then getting attention these days) both seem to hate that the President tried to lobby for the Olympics here and that seems weird.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:12 PM
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20. It'll never end because there are more than enough idiots to push this crap. n/t
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:21 PM
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24. I don't dislike Frank Rich I just cannot take one more freakin Olympics-related
post that casts the President's attempt to get the Olympics here as a "stunning failure". Like the USA should always be able to step right in and control and dominate the world stage. We do not have to be #1 all the time and it is a fallacy that we have to have every little thing go our way all the time. Thanks for pushing a RW meme Frank Rich. Good points on other stuff but why the crap? Why?
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:41 AM
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30. +1 . It is ridiculous. I wonder if the other countries who didn't get the Olympics have
to deal with this sort of ridiculous and surreal pile on. Seriously it would have been great if we had gotten it but we have hosted the Olympics more than any other country. The Olympics have gone recently to countries that haven't hosted them before. There is nothing to blame Obama for but it seems like both the left and right feel the need to keep making mountains out of the most ridiculous mole hills.
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:13 PM
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22. "Stunning failure"?
What stunning failure?

Why, oh why, is it soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard for some people - okay I'm going to say it - some Americans, not all but some...to accept the possibility if not the high likelihood that the IOC was going to give the Olympics to Rio all along??

Beijing got 2008...China's first Olympics.

London got 2012....Britain's first Olympics.

Rio gets 2016...South America's first Olympics.

Anybody else see a trend here?

And who exactly said it was between Chicago and Rio?

The U.S. mainstream press, that's who. They just said it....so everyone believed it. End of story.

From a Canadian liberal who truly does love America - but gets sickened by it's navel gazing ways at times - let me say this: Get over yourselves!!!!

Sheesh...:eyes:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 09:28 PM
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25. Interesting article.
And so are the almost 600 responses it elicited.

:D
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-04-09 11:50 PM
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28. Still won't make your dreams come true. n/t
:D
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 12:45 AM
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31. I know, right?
:rofl:
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:38 AM
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37. LOL!
:thumbsup:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:24 AM
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42. Oh, I don't know.
Dreams never die.............

;-)
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impik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 01:51 AM
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34. Yea! another Liberal is
shitting all over Obama.
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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 08:56 AM
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44. If we liberals wont forcefully advocate our position who will?
Clearly not Obama. Whether or not he's doing what he said he would do in book or campaign, he isn't doing what I want him to do. I am a liberal who voted for him because the only other option was more scary, and Kucinich didn't get the nomination.

I am still hoping for a Liberal candidate for President to emerge. When I support that candidate it wont be disloyalty to Obama, because I didn't vote for Obama I voted for the most liberal choice available.

However, if the choice was between a real Conservative who would get Corporate money out of politics (yes, that would be a truly Conservative view), and there was no certifiable Liberal candidate, I would vote for that conservative over Obama.

Obama promised to get lobbying interests out of government when he was campaigning. has he made the effort?
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 04:23 AM
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36. I think he's just holding Obama's feet to the fire
like Obama asked us to do. Kind of like a preemptive warning. I have no problem with that. Someone has to let Obama know he will be held accountable. If everyone just kisses his ass and says you're doing a great job, we run the risk of not getting what the country needs. Rich is out front ahead of the curve, good for him.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 06:17 AM
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40. well said. Thanks.
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:38 AM
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47. Obama, I believe, WANTS us to hold his feet to the fire
The guys he is wrangling and wrangling with are slippery.

Criticizing Obama is okay ---- but especially if it is a critique which helps him move in directions i think he WANTS to go in but has been hamstrung on by powerful interests which are everywhere.

It doesn't help for him to have so many so close to him perhaps --- but he is a smart man and it might be a smart strategy to keep his enemies closer than might seem smart to the rest of us.

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
SUN TZU (circa 400 BC)

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/36994.html

Its old sage advice
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 05:29 AM
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38. good job Rich this is nothing but a Goldman Sachs admin
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 07:33 AM
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41. yes, Rich is spot on.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 10:04 AM
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45. Obama hit piece = "...stunning failure to secure Olympic gold for his political home..."
along with "...we’re hearing of behind-the-scenes ..." lower this critics credibility amongst those who want to be objective about Obama's current performance.

Hyperbole and rumor isn't a good grasp of objectivity....
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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-05-09 11:33 AM
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46. Well, Lobbyists are Pissed at Obama for restricting them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8685444

While I admire what Rich tries to do, and do not quite understand what his beef is here --- he at least acknowledges that these are "open questions".

I continue to wait and watch an continue to HOPE (especially on Afghanistan).
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