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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:30 AM
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I am beginning to think that the GOP is irretrievably broken,
Political Theory of the day. There is an old baseball saying....In a 162-game season you win 54 and lose 54. It is what you do with the other 54 that determines your season,

Baucus has been trying to get some Republicans on Board and has now apparently given up. So much for a Bipartisan bill. Some will argue that it was a fool's mission (maybe maybe not) But her's the thing because of the coarsening and hardening of political lines in this country.we no longer seem to have the ability draw the muddled middle into coalition.

It's what you do with the middle 54 games. It is moderate voices in both parties that typically craft legislation that gets passed.

It is not that that they did not want real reform, it is that their own local political realities (fundraising, caucus pressure, modest agendas0 would not let it happen, Basically, the pull of the Right beat the pull of the Left. The remaining moderate voice in the GOP's political inability to get it done will certainly make the final bill more progressive the Conservatives will like.

That likely now means that the Democrats will write the final bill, and push it through final passage using what is called the reconciliation process and that means the bill will only need 51 votes in the Senate not a filibuster-proof 60,

But here is the thing. and its the middle 54 thing.If there were more moderate Republicans in the House and the Senate, this legislation could have bee crafted far sooner with moderates from both parties determining the outcome.

A healthy two party system is a good thing. The problem is that there are so few Moderate Republican left. SO what has occurred in part is that because the GOP has contracted, political lines have hardened, rhetoric has been amped up and a a consequence the legislation will be more progressive and will be easier to pass.

This is the consequence of a GOP leadership vacuum in Washington and that vacuum being filled by RW bloggers and talk show hosts. holding sway over party discipline. There is little room or tolerance for moderate voices in the GOP anymore.

The GOP has lost the ability to win the middle. either electorally or legislatively.

There is a Bloomberg Poll out this morning that shows that the President has his number up again and the GOP has no support beyond it core 35%.

Sept. 16 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama earns high marks for his performance even as Americans express anxiety about his domestic policies. One possible reason: Republicans arent offering an alternative.

A Bloomberg News poll gives Obama a job-approval rating of 56 percent and 61 percent say they feel favorably about him. Still, respondents are divided over the presidents handling of health care and the economy, while giving him a negative grade on the growth of the budget deficit.

Americans are despairing of the federal deficit in the wake of several huge government spending programs, says J. Ann Selzer, the president of Selzer & Co., a Des Moines, Iowa-based firm that conducted the poll. Health care is one more big- ticket item and taxpayers appear to believe at some point they, or their children, will hold the bag.

Republicans arent benefiting from the negative sentiment toward the economic policies, the poll shows. The survey finds that by about a 2-to-1 margin, Americans say Obama is doing a better job on the economy than his predecessor, George W. Bush......

Respondents also say by 40 percent to 32 percent that they would vote for a Democratic candidate for Congress in 2010. A slight plurality, 48 percent to 44 percent, has a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party. The Republican Party, by 52 percent to 38 percent, gets an unfavorable rating.

The Finance committee is now going to do mark ip and vote it out on a party line vote, Amendments will be offered on the floor and passed or failed on Party line votes. Final Senate Passage to get it to conference will be on a party line votes and the House wil will have far more say in crafting the final bill.

Which will pass both house on Party line votes, Republicans will say that they were frozen out. but the truth of the matter is that it is the GOP who is their own worst enemy.

Legislation in this country has always been shaped by the Philosophical Middle, regardless of Party affiliation because it is the "middle 54" where you find the votes for passage. The problem now is that all those Moderate voices now seem to be in the Democratic Party. Moderate Republicans have become an oxymoron and this is a very dangerous place for a party with weak legislative and party leadership to begin with.

This is a case of the perfect being the enemy of the good.When conservatives demand that the GOP vacate the middle for reason of philosophical fidelity, they sacrifice the ability to impact legislation, they lose the respect of moderate voters and it would seem likely that they sacrifice their ability to claw their way out of the political wilderness by taking back either Congress or the White House for a generation to come back.

I think it is unprecedented in our history. Not because of the balance of power in each chamber but because the center of power ion the right has shifted to the folks with the largest megaphone and a way from their Congressional leadership. Because of this, it is going to be much harder for the GOP to come back

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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:45 AM
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1. If this bill were to pass....
There would be no public plan wherein the public may purchase insurance from the government. You will be required to buy health insurance from some source, it just won't be run as a not for profit by the Fed.

Same old usary from the insurance companies, mandated by law.

If you don't buy their soiled product you will be fined by the government for non-compliance and
your employer is under no obligation to help you make these exobitant payments.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:01 AM
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2. I am a progressive
I have no interest in the so-called 'moderates' crafting legislation. We have had over 30 years of concessionary bargaining with the conservative movement and I don't think we have anything left we can trade them.

I think for their money they have most of what they want. They have little impetus to trade away the advantages that they have gamed into the system. The shrill constant right wing drumbeat has been going even longer than the mailings of the moral majority in the 80's, talk radio is just another formulation of this idiocy.

I think that at some point we have to decide that we are the Democratic party and that we stand for Democratic progressive principls. I think there is a faction of our party represented by the Baucus sorts that longs for some republicans to come and save them from having to vote like an actual Democrat.

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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:39 PM
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4. Nice in theory Does not work in practice
Because many districts are closer than 60-40. and there is not enoug liberal dollars to pad everyone's warchest. Just the sad reality.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:46 PM
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5. So...
Those of us that voted Democrat hoping to at least compromise FROM universal coverage TO a public option can now just go home?

Go reread what I wrote and actually respond to it. What you wrote is not only poor strategy it isn't even true. Most of the blue dogs are from states that are either blue or competative.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:10 AM
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3. If we get a plan with at least...
a strong public option, then the GOP is truly history and they know it
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:15 PM
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6. I wouldn't write them off yet; the democrats can still alienate the middle
I think both parties are deeply dysfunctional, but I am committed to helping my beloved Democratic Party recover.

The GOP is truly over the edge and lost in the stinky weeds
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:40 PM
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7. You really think that if the Republicans were a baseball team they could win 54 games?

Reminds me of the Jim Carey's line in Dumb And Dumber

Jim Carey: Is there a million in one chance that you could fall in love with me?

Beautiful Woman: Well maybe one in a million.

Jim Carey: See I still have a chance.

If you tell the Republicans that they were expected to win 54 games out of a 162 game season and there were only two teams competing they would say, Yeah we will win Second Place.
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