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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:40 PM Original message |
Is Wyden's Free Choice Proposal + "Public Option" == Sorta Optional "Medicare for All" |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. Exactly. I want a PO that could in effect become a default universal single payer system, but with |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Agreed. That's pretty much what I hoped for from the outset |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. It goes further than making it universally accessible |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #3 |
35. Yes... of course |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. where is the public option in what you excerpted? |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. There are two separate issues |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. that gets to my other question: how is exchange any different from what a decent insurance agent... |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. The exchange is a pooling mechanism |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. A co-op is a pooling mechanism, |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. You don't seem to understand the exchange. At all. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. You keep repeating access in five years, but it's access to more private insurance choices. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Wyden's proposal is NOT A SEPARATE BILL |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What is it amending? The time frames are the same and the current bill includes a public option. n/t |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. It makes access to the exchange universal |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. No it doesn't |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Liar |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Lunatic. n/t |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Id rather be crazy than a liar |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. And that you are. n/t |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. This has NOTHING TO DO WITH A PUBLIC OPTION |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I'm merely curious what agenda would motivate someone to obfuscate this bill? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Good grief |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. The current exchanges DO NOT ALLOW EVERYBODY TO ACCESS THE PUBLIC OPTION |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. You keep going back and forth |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. What are you arguing? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. "All that Wyden's amendment does is permit everybody to eventually join the exchange." |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Can you seriously provide a straight answer to a question? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Yes. You're wrong: |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:48 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. "... via the affordability test" |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:52 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Wrong. Not everyone will qualify. Thats stated elsewhere |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. BTW, this requires the employer to pay 70%. Why are you against this?!? |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Look, I give up |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The Wyden Admendment is important because if the employer doesn't choose exchange/PO |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. Lets look at the difference: |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. "Only a fool, an idiot, a shill, or a Republican" is this dense: |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Are you claiming the current "public option" is universally accessible to everyone? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
5. No it |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. The current bills do not promise universal access to the public option |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You didn't respond to my previous questions: |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. That's how it is in the current House bill too! |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Right, it's the same time frame, but the current bill has a public option. As for the 5 years: |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. If your employer doesn't sign up for the exchange, though, no public option for you |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. "Employers that do not offer health insurance choices, a voucher, or go to the exchange" |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. It is NOT WYDEN'S exchange |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. "regardless of whether their employer signs up for it or not." you're misreading that. |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. In the current bills, you cannot join the public plan OR the exchange... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Its apparent this poster wants less people in an "exchange"/"public option", not more |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Not true |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Again... |
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SWr (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-10-09 05:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. and ... |
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