Bush Dental Record May Be a Fake !!!

[AIJ Alom]

The only evidence that Bush may have been in Alabama in 1972-73 may be a fake.

Check this out everyone.

I started looking at Bush documents after the whole CBS Memo issue became the medias mantra. This dental record really got my attention.

The following three links are to the Bush dental record. Before you look at it, make sure to turn your monitor's contrast and brightness to full.

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/gwbush/gwb10673dent.pdf
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Bush%20Dental%20Record.pdf
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Bush_Military_06.pdf

If you look at the upper right corner on all three pages, you will notice a blacked out fax number that with the monitor settings above is mostly discernible.

You get the following number (xxx)-678-6504. I wonder who it belongs to (xxx-may be 703) ? Does anyone see something else. Could it belong to someone in the White House or perhaps a document supply company ?

The standard dental form is easily available online.

You can pay for one here.
http://www.xdrive.com/partners/?p=pfforms&gcid=C10757x017

Or get one here.
http://www.inshealth.org/forms/Dent603.pdf

And Bush's isn't typed like this one.

http://www.tpub.com/content/medical/10669-c/css/10669-c_344.htm

Why would the ANG,who we know had a pool of secretaries, not type up Bush's dental record? Why is it not typed and why are there no remarks as the above sample indicates ? Can anyone read the dentists name (he is on the record by the way) on Bush's record ? Then compare it to how the military did it in the sample.

Strangely like Bush's ANG record, his dental record is incomplete.

[molly]

1. Too funny!

[grasswire]

2. we already know he wasn't doing drills then

...so I'm not sure why this would make any difference, if indeed the document is as you say it is.

[seabeyond]

4. it does make a diffference if he forges documents

:)

[kentuck]

3. did they have fax machines back then ??

:shrug:

[malva]

5. FAX

Did they have FAX machines back when? This could have been FAXed last month.

[earthside]

21. Older than the telephone ...

Actually, the electronic facsimile transmitting machine was invented before the telephone ... that's triva.

I do know that by the mid-1970s Congressional offices used Telex machines (I volunteered in my local congressman's field office back around 1974).

But these were 'faxes" that were produced on a rotating cylinder ... you had to be told a fax was coming, then you picked up the receiver, listened for the tone, then put the whole receiver down into the Telex machine. Needless to say, the quality wasn't very good.

Prior to 1974, I just don't know. I would assume that some sort of similar technology was available.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. Not until the late 80's did you have fax machines

n/t

[jmowreader]

94. There were facsimile machines then

The fax machines that were around back then were noisy, slow, they stank, they were very expensive and they were hard to use.

If you wanted to fax something, you first got approval from your supervisor because faxing was very expensive both for the sender and the recipient. You then took it to the fax room where the fax guy operated.

The fax guy wrapped your document around the sending drum on his fax transmitter, then called the recipient's fax guy and told him to prepare to receive a document. The recipient's fax guy took a sheet of special paper out of his stash--this paper had a thin coating of aluminum over a thin black coating--and wrapped it around the drum on his fax receiver. After the fax started coming in, the fax receiver began burning parts of the aluminum coating off the paper--this is why old fax machines stank. It took a little over six minutes to fax one page.

I do not know if there were "fax telltales" on those old faxes like there are today, but I doubt it; faxing was such an elaborate operation that you knew where the message came from.

I'm sorry, but I don't see the proof that Bush's dental records are fake--although I do see proof Bush wasn't real big on dental hygiene. Damn, this fucker's got a mouth full of rotten teeth!

[Philostopher]

7. I imagine the military did.

Not to address any of the other questions, which may be good ones -- the first facsimile machine that worked more or less the way the ones we have now work was built in, if I remember correctly, the twenties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facsimile

"The first facsimile to be sent across the Atlantic Ocean was sent by Ernst Alexanderson on June 5, 1924 to his father in Sweden)."

I remember seeing an interview with this guy when I was younger. I had no idea the facsimile machine would ultimately end up being used as widely as it is now, but they existed before the '80s. Here's the 'big Wiki' entry on fax machines:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax

I'd imagine the military branches were using them long before they were affordable consumer items.

[AIJ Alom]

8. No peeps....this is what i am trying to convey.

This is what I am proposing as a possibility.

Desperate to prove that Bush was in Alabama, the Bush team contacts a document company or obtains a copy of the Standard Dental Form 603.

In their haste, they fill out the form, not with a typewriter or with remarks (as is the case with the typewritten sample I provided) but simply printing it for readability. Get the dentist at the time to sign off and viola, instant credibility.

I mean now all of us here with this link http://www.inshealth.org/forms/Dent603.pdf can print out a copy of the Standard Dental Form 603, fill it out with the name AWOL Bush, dentist Karl Rove and fax it to the media, but (W)here (W)ould (W)e get an idea like that ?

[punpirate]

9. There's a small error in your instructions...

... the number you describe is in the top middle of the document, rather than the upper right.

The number in the top middle of the document is preceded by the word, "FAX," and, depending upon the machine, this could be the receiving number, or the sending number. Without the information in the upper left-hand corner and the next characters after "FAX," it's uncertain.

However, I can discern the word "FAX" and the last seven digits you describe. All these are pdfs, so they will only enlarge about 600% or so, and even with that, the pixel blur is extreme.

This doesn't prove it's fake. But, it does something else. It says you'd better watch your back, because you've just found a simple way to read redacted documents. If these were scanned in at 1200x1200 and then saved to a different format (or if Distiller were set to a very high pixel value when converting the scan to pdf), the redacted numbers would be more visible.

Pretty goddamned astute, if I say so, m'self.

[kentuck]

11. Maybe we could do that with the 25 pages redacted in 911report....

about Saudi Arabia...

[punpirate]

18. Geez, who knows....

It might depend wholly on whether or not the document is copied after redaction, or if it's scanned in from the original. I dunno. But, from what I see here, I can read through some black marks that I couldn't before, and that's a pretty good trick.

Cheers.

[AIJ Alom]

24. does anyone have a copy of the original redacted 9/11 report ?

I'd love to be able to read the Saudi connections.

[punpirate]

30. As I recall, about 28 pages were removed in their entirety...

... so there's nothing to look at, just the last paragraph of the first page and the first paragraph of the last page.

The best assumptions from that chunk of missing pages is going to be in Sen. Bob Graham's book, because he saw it all.

Cheers.

[AIJ Alom]

13. Thanks.

[troubleinwinter]

16. I put it in my graphics program & increased contrast & lightness

And definitely see the word 'FAX', and the phone number you site. The first two digits of the area code are difficult (nearly impossible) to read, but I do not think the first number is a 7. All three digits appear "curve-y", like '0', '3', '5', '6', '8'.

The third digit DOES look like a 3. DENVER is 303.

It would make sense for the document to be out of Denver, as that is where some ANG permantent records are???

There are only 27 area codes in the US ending in '3'. None are Alabama, two are Texas, one is Denver/Longmont.

[AIJ Alom]

22. Thanks troubleinwinter !

Awesome call! 303 does make sense considering Denver would have the records. But that does deliver a devastating blow to my suspicions, the fact that the fax originates from an official source. Unless of course we are being led to believe it originates from Denver.

[LiberalFighter]

60. Don't know what the area codes are for TX and CO but...

remember that until recently area codes only had the number 1 or 0 for the second digit.

[stevedeshazer]

64. I think this is it

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/pa/hometown.htm

FAX number matches 303-676-6504

[starroute]

92. Air Reserve Personnel Center

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

"After Bush quit TXANG, he still had nine months of his six-year military commitment left to serve. As a result, Bush became a member of the Air Force Reserves and was transferred to the authority of the Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver, Colorado.

<snip>

"The “Reserve” component of the US Air Force was known as the Air Reserve Forces (ARF) and was divided into two primary components, the Air National Guard (ANG) and the United States Air Force Reserve (USARF). ... The Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver Colorado was where personnel policies for ARF were administered. In general, it appears that ARPC did not micro-manage the affairs of ANG units. But when something especially egregious occurred, ARPC took notice. ... ARPC also “commanded” reservists who were not affiliated with either USARF or ANG units.

"The Obligated Reserve Section (ORS) is where obligors (military personnel who had an unfulfilled Military Service Obligation—the minimum term of military service as required under Federal Statutory law) were assigned who were not assigned to a specific National Guard or Air Force Reserves unit with which they could train. ORS is where Bush was transferred to when he was discharged from TXANG. ORS was a “Ready Reserve” section of ARPC, containing those members who were required to be ready to immediately report for active duty if the President declared a national security emergency."

[Dr Fate]

10. So many fake documents surrounding Bush's various controversies.

So much suspicious behavior surrounding Bush & his past.

[AIJ Alom]

12. Compare the two and you will notice the other obvious differences.

Bush's dental record.
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Bush_Military_06.pdf\

Military dental record sample.
http://www.tpub.com/content/medical/10669-c/css/10669-c_344.htm

1) The sample is typed, Bush's record is not. Why would the ANG not type this out ?
2) The sample has questions 1 (Purpose of Exam), 2 (Type of Exam), 3 (Dental Classification) at the top filled out, Bush's record does not. Why would the ANG not have this filled out ?
3) Remarks sample is filled out in the sample, but Bush's lacks remarks.
4) The place of examination in the sample not only has the base in question but the city and state as well, Bush's record does not.

Anything else anyone else notices ?

[punpirate]

26. Given the way the ANG worked...

... I'm not sure any of those variances would be meaningful at this time. Danelly is listed as an air national guard base. That could mean that it didn't have regular full-time air force staff, as did, for example, Ellington, when Bush was there.

So, there are a number of possibilities that spring from that situation--the dentist was full-time air force, just visiting from another base, and filled out the card himself, because there was no clerk available to type it. That could also explain items 2&3&4 in your examples. Dentist might not have wanted to take the time. Sometimes, if one gets the essentials, the prior records fill in the blanks. (Trust me on this--I was a pay clerk in the army at that time--lots of things went by the wayside when people were busy or short-handed--you wouldn't believe the state of records coming back from war zones, for example.)

The guard may have had a guard dentist, who didn't know anything about the paperwork and was working alone (isn't this date a Saturday?).

The form may have been filled out by a guard dental assistant who was no better trained in dental procedures than Bush was in his obligations. A dentist signing an incomplete form wouldn't be unusual, in those circumstances.

The last possibility is that the form is perfectly legit--Bush had dental work done in Alabama because he was still there, in exile from Texas, until Poppy and Babs thought it was time for him to come home. Doesn't mean he actually attended any drills or executed his duty. He would have had an ID that got him on base during a drill weekend and he had a tooth bothering him, and cheap sonofabitch that he was, figured he'd have it done on the government's dime.

Cheers.

edit for syntax

[starroute]

14. I think it's 678-8504

But it's hard to tell -- the fourth digit from the end could be either a 6 or an 8.

[AIJ Alom]

19. Thanks Starroute !!!

No it still looks like a 678-6504 to me. The second 6 looks more like the first 6 than the 8, than again that 8 may be a 6 too.

Number possibilities thus far.

678-6504
676-6504
678-8504
676-8504

[skooooo]

25. 678-6504 looks more likely

And the first 3 digits to me look like: 103

[AIJ Alom]

27. Agreed...

But 103 is not a possibility considering this information.

http://www.prodial.com/areacodes-Num.html

011 International Access
200 Service access code
201 New Jersey - NorthEast
202 District Of Columbia
203 Connecticut
204 Manitoba
205 Alabama - Birmingham/Central Alabama
206 Washington - Seattle
207 Maine
208 Idaho
209 California - Central
210 Texas - San Antonio
211 Coin Phone Refunds
212 New York - Manhattan
213 California - Los Angeles
214 Texas - Dallas
215 Pennsylvania - SouthEast
216 Ohio - Cleveland
217 Illinois - South Central
218 Minnesota - Northern
219 Indiana - Northern
224 Illinois
225 Louisiana
227 Maryland
228 Mississippi
229 Georgia - (split from 912)
231 Michigan
234 Ohio (overlay 330)
239 Florida
240 Maryland
242 Bahamas-Carib
246 Barbados-Carib
248 Michigan - Oakland Cty
250 British Columbia
251 Alabama
252 North Carolina
253 Washington - Tacoma
254 Texas - Ft. Worth
256 Alabama - Huntsville/North Alabama
260 Indiana
262 Wisconsin
264 Anguilla
267 Pennsylvania (overlay 215)
268 Antigua/Barbuda-Carib
269 Michigan
270 Kentucky
276 Virginia
278 Michigan overlay suspended
281 Texas - Houston Area
283 Ohio
284 British V.I.-Carib
289 Ontario
300 Service Access Code
301 Maryland - Southern&Western
302 Delaware
303 Colorado - Denver & suburban
304 West Virginia
305 Florida - SouthEast
306 Saskatchewan
307 Wyoming
308 Nebraska - Western
309 Illinois - West Central
310 California - Los Angeles
311 Reserved Special Function
312 Illinois - Chicago
313 Michigan - Eastern
314 Missouri - Eastern
315 New York - North Central
316 Kansas-Wichita area
317 Indiana - Central
318 Louisiana - Western
319 Iowa - Eastern
320 Minnesota
321 Florida Space Coast (Melbourne)
323 California - Los Angeles
325 Texas
330 Ohio - Eastern
331 Illinois overlay deferred
334 Alabama - Montgomery/Mobile/Lower Alabama
336 North Carolina
337 Louisiana
339 Massachusetts
340 US Virgin Islands
341 California
345 Cayman Islands
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351 Massachusetts
352 Florida - North
360 Washington - Western
361 Texas - (split from 512)
369 California - (split from 707)
380 Ohio
385 Utah
386 Florida
400 Service Access Code
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406 Montana
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414 Wisconsin - Eastern
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425 Washington - Seattle east suburbs
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432 Texas
434 Virginia
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438 Quebec
440 Ohio - Northeast
441 Bermuda-Carib
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443 Maryland
445 Pennsylvania
450 Quebec - Laval (Montreal North)
456 Inbound International
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469 Texas
470 Georgia
473 Grenada-Carib
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478 Georgia
479 Arkansas
480 Arizona - Phoenix. East Valley
484 Pennsylvania (overlay 610)
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513 Ohio - SouthWest
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517 Michigan - Central
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519 Ontario - SouthWest
520 Arizona
530 California - Northern
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557 Missouri
559 California - Central
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562 California - Los Angeles
563 Iowa
564 Washington - (overlay 360)
567 Ohio
570 Pennsylvania - (split 717)
571 Virginia
573 Missouri
574 Indiana
575 New Mexico
580 Oklahoma
585 New York
586 Michigan overlay
600 Canada/Services
601 Mississippi
602 Arizona
603 New Hampshire
604 British Columbia
605 South Dakota
606 Kentucky - Eastern
607 New York - South Central
608 Wisconsin - SouthWest
609 New Jersey - Southern
610 Pennsylvania
611 Repair Service
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613 Ontario - SouthEast
614 Ohio - Columbus Area
615 Tennessee - Middle/Western
616 Michigan - Western
617 Massachusetts - Eastern
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619 California - San Diego, S.Cal
620 Kansas - Southern
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626 California - Pas./San Gabr.Vly
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630 Illinois - Chicago suburbs
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636 Missouri
641 Iowa
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647 Ontario
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651 Minnesota - St. Paul
659 Alabama
657 California
660 Missouri
661 California - (split from 805)
662 Mississippi
664 Montserrat-Carib
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671 Guam
678 Georgia
679 Michigan overlay suspended
682 Texas
689 Florida
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702 Nevada - Clark County
703 Virginia - Northern & Western
704 North Carolina - Western
705 Ontario - Northern
706 Georgia - Northern
707 California - North Coastal
708 Illinois - NorthEast
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710 Gov Emer Telecom Svc
711 Special Function
712 Iowa - Western
713 Texas - Houston
714 California - Orange County
715 Wisconsin - Northern
716 New York - Western
717 Pennsylvania - East Central
718 New York - NYC except Mnhtn
719 Colorado - Southern & Eastern
720 Colorado - Denver & suburban
724 Pennsylvania - Western
727 Florida Greater St Petersburg
731 Tennessee
732 New Jersey - Central
734 Michigan - Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti
737 Texas
740 Ohio - SouthEast
747 California
752 California
754 Florida
757 Virginia
758 St. Lucia-Carib
760 California - San Diego
763 Minnesota - Minneapolis Suburbs
764 California
765 Indiana - Outside Indianapolis
767 Dominica
770 Georgia
772 Florida
773 Illinois - Chicago
774 Massachusetts
775 Nevada
778 British Columbia
780 Alberta, Edmonton & North
781 Massachusetts
784 St. Vincent/Grenadines
785 Kansas - Northern
786 Florida - Overlay the 305 area
787 Puerto Rico-Carib
800 Toll-Free Calling
801 Utah
802 Vermont
803 South Carolina
804 Virginia - SouthEast
805 California - SouthCentral
806 Texas - North Panhandle
807 Ontario - NorthWest
808 Hawaii
809 Caribbean Islands
810 Michigan - Northern
811 Special Function
812 Indiana - Southern
813 Florida - Tampa area
814 Pennsylvania - West Central
815 Illinois - Northern
816 Missouri - NorthWest
817 Texas - North Central
818 California - SF Valley, LA area
819 Quebec - Eastern
822 Future Toll-Free Svc.
828 North Carolina
830 Texas -South, near San Antonio
831 California, Central Coastal
832 Texas, Houston area
833 Future Toll-Free Svc.
835 Pennsylvania
843 South Carolina
844 Future Toll-Free Svc.
845 New York
847 Illinois - Chicago suburbs
848 New Jersey
850 Florida panhandle
855 Toll-Free Svc.
856 New Jersey - Southern
857 Massachusetts
858 California - (split from 619)
859 Kentucky
860 Connecticut
862 New Jersey
863 Florida - South Central
864 South Carolina
865 Tennessee
866 Toll-Free Svc.
867 Yukon/N.W.Terrês
868 Trinidad and Tobago-Carib
869 St.Kitts and Nevis-Carib
870 Arkansas
872 Illinois overlay deferred
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877 Toll-Free Calling
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882 Paid 877 Service
888 Toll-Free Calling
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902 Pr Edwrd Is, Nva Sctia
903 Texas - NorthEast
904 Florida - Northeast
905 Greater Toronto Area, except Toronto
906 Michigan - Upper North
907 Alaska
908 New Jersey - Central
909 California - Riverside&S.Bern
910 North Carolina
911 Emergency Services
912 Georgia - Southern
913 Kansas - NorthEast
914 New York - Southern
915 Texas - Western
916 California - Sacramento
917 New York City
918 Oklahoma - NorthEast
919 North Carolina - Eastern
920 Wisconsin
925 California - S.F.Bay area
928 Arizona
931 Tennessee
935 California - (split from 619)
936 Texas - (split from 409)
937 Ohio - Dayton, SW Ohio
939 Puerto Rico
940 Texas - Ft. Worth
941 Florida - Cape Coral area
947 Michigan
949 California - Orange County
951 California
952 Minnesota - Minneapolis Suburbs
954 Florida - Greater Ft Lauderdale
956 Texas - Laredo/Brownsville
959 Connecticut - (overlay 860)
970 Colorado - Northern & Western
971 Oregon
972 Texas - Dallas
973 New Jersey - Northern
975 Missouri
978 Massachusetts
979 Texas
980 North Carolina
984 North Carolina
985 Louisiana
989 Michigan

[skooooo]

28. right..the first number of the area code..

...is a real problem. At first I thought it might be a "4", but then compared to the other 4 in the phone number, it doesn't look similar at all.

It doesn't look like any number, really.

[AIJ Alom]

32. Here are the possibilities...(catch my eye)

203 Connecticut
213 California - Los Angeles
253 Washington - Tacoma
283 Ohio
(303 Colorado - Denver & suburban)
313 Michigan - Eastern
323 California - Los Angeles
403 Alberta , Southern
413 Massachusetts - Western
423 Tennessee - Eastern
443 Maryland
473 Grenada-Carib
503 Oregon - Portland tri-metro
513 Ohio - SouthWest
563 Iowa
573 Missouri
603 New Hampshire
613 Ontario - SouthEast
623 Arizona - Phoenix. West Valley
(703 Virginia - Northern & Western)
(713 Texas - Houston)
763 Minnesota - Minneapolis Suburbs
773 Illinois - Chicago
803 South Carolina
813 Florida - Tampa area
833 Future Toll-Free Svc.
843 South Carolina
863 Florida - South Central
(903 Texas - NorthEast)
913 Kansas - NorthEast
973 New Jersey - Northern

[LiberalFighter]

65. You can eliminate any area code that does not have 1 or 0 in 2nd position

North America has seen an explosion of new area codes over the last eight years, fueled by increased demand for numbers (modems, fax, wireless) and competition in local telephone service. To meet this growing demand for numbers, the North American Numbering Plan was amended in 1995 to permit area codes with middle digits other than 0 or 1. As a result, millions of phone numbers have moved to new area codes in recent years. This site contains a collection of lists of telephone exchanges involved in area code splits. Each entry below links you to a detailed list of telephone exchange codes (NXX) which will be, or have already been, moved to a new area code (NPA).

http://frodo.bruderhof.com/areacode/

[TacticalPeek]

15. The scandal-plagued Bush administration.

The use of lies and deceit is par for this crowd. No accountability, no responsibility.

It will be breaking news if they ever play it straight, just once.

[AIJ Alom]

17. Does anyone at DU have a Standard Dental Form 603 ?

Particularly from the 1960's or 70's for comparision with Bush's dental record.

This document just seems lacking in so many ways.

[Arioch]

20. Save you some time...

edit: starroute beat me!

:D

[AIJ Alom]

23. Thanks Arioch !

What can you say, great minds think alike.

[phish420]

33. 503 678 6504

Thats what I see

[phish420]

35. 503 is Oregon

[phish420]

36. 703 would make more sense

since that is Northern VA

[kentuck]

37. Faxed from the George HW Bush CIA HQ's ??

in northern VA? :)

[phish420]

39. well...

you'd think they would be archived at either arlington, CIA HQ or the Pentagon...

[kentuck]

41. And what reporter...?

could get one of those documents? Perhaps Sy Hersch? Not many others...

[AIJ Alom]

38. What's the name of the dentist who looked at Bush's teeth.

I'd love to know where he's from. Maybe if we could google his name, we can get a location.

Or google the location of the ANG repository.

[phish420]

29. It doesnt matter if there were fax machines - here's why

the records were faxed to the white house fromwherever the records were kept - that is why the fax number appears on them...the records were not pysically delivered to the white house for release, only a facsimile was. In other words, the fax number is not from 1973, nor is it supposed to be, rather, the documents were simply faxed to the white house office, where they would make copies for the press...good lead, but Im afraid this will come up short.

[phish420]

31. However....

If the fax number can be traced to some place that has no busniess possessing Bush's dental records - say some Texas dentist that happened to have an old dental record sheet the repugs could 'borrow', then this could mean something...Im just saying, don't dwell on the thought that the fax number shows that someone tried to fax the document 30 years ago...wont hold up.

[kentuck]

34. But it would still be worthwhile to a good journalist to know where....

it was faxed from or to, don't you think? Maybe somebody could give a little more info about it?

[phish420]

43. agreed

[peacemeal]

40. Another thing

The one guy who claims to have seen Bush in Alabama (whose story, btw, is full of holes) did say that the dental record was odd because they didn't have a dentist at Dannelly - he said you had to go to the big base in Montgomery to see one.

If Bush DID see a dentist in Alabama, it's as close as he got to any kind of drill. ;-)

[AIJ Alom]

45. LOL !!!

Holy. Really ? No dentist in Danelly, have to go to Montgomery ? You have the link by any chance ?

[peacemeal]

51. Link

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml

see the last paragraph about no dentist at Dannelly

[AIJ Alom]

55. THANKS !!! SOMETHING BIG !!! NO DENTIST IN DANNELLY !!!

See the "LINK" I am replying to.

Then we have this nugget.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-13-bush-alabama_x.htm

On Wednesday, a military dental exam was released, dated Jan. 6, 1973, and signed by Montgomery dentist J. Andrew Harris, who was a captain with the 187th at the time.

"We would do 40 or 50 exams per weekend. It was open your mouth and let's go. I would recognize them more from their open mouths," said Harris, who said nothing was unusual about the president's dental record.

So the dentist is now in Montgomery but where did he do the exam if another ANG member says there was no dentist at Danelly Airbase at the time ? And if it was only 40-50 exams, why wasn't this one typed like the military sample ?

[phish420]

42. fax number sharpened

using photoshop, here is the clearest I can get it:

[phish420]

44. also looks like 563 A/C - Iowa

[kentuck]

54. I think it is 303-676-6504 ..

Somebody call and see if it is a number or a fax ring.. ? :)

[AIJ Alom]

56. Called it. 303-676-6504 is a fax !!!

[stevedeshazer]

63. See post 59 & 62

[kentuck]

75. BINGO !

For those still searching for the number.. :)

[newyawker99]

96. The area code looks like 553 The sixes are closed on the

bottom. It looks like 553-676-6504.

[GaryL]

46. Laura Bush's are too.

I just heard (via a friend) from a Texas attorney that stated Laura Bush was DUI when stuck and killed the driver of another automobile. Any indication she was DUI was scrubbed from her records. The Soprano family strikes again!

[troubleinwinter]

50. I do NOT see it as 703

The first digit would have a vertical/diagonal line down the center (see the downward stroke on the other '7'.

Given the curve-y shape of the first two digits and using logic, I imagine they are from Denver.

Going for curvies, the possibles to me are:

203 CT
253 WA
283 OH
303 Denver
353 WI
383 ME
503 OR
563 IA
603 NH
803 SC
863 FL

Again, to me, as only a logical guess without anything else to go on, Denver seems the likely source.

[kentuck]

47. Call the numbers !

who has free time on their cells today? give a call to those different numbers and see what you get? :)

[DesEtoiles]

48. Bush grounded 9/29/72 bc no physical; but sees milit.DENTIST 1/6/73???

Very suspicious.

Why not get the damn physical before you get your teeth cleaned?

[kentuck]

49. I thought he went to Alabama in March ???

Was he in Alabama in January??

[DesEtoiles]

52. Area code 713 is Houston

[DesEtoiles]

53. Handwriting looks like it was done with a modern "Bic" type pen

What types of pens were commonly used in 70's?

Writing looks too sharp and clear and uniform to be a pencil...imo.

[troubleinwinter]

57. Huh? A BIC pen??

Dunno how you figure that, but I remember my first disposable BICs in school in the mid 60's.

[grasswire]

58. the dentist

Dr. John Andrew Harris of Montgomery, Alabama, who performed Mr. Bush's dental exam on Jan. 6, 1973, said Thursday his signature appears on the record released by the White House.

Harris said the dental chart appears to be from the kind of checkups typically performed on unit members on weekend drill duty. The record indicates Mr. Bush was at the dental clinic on a Saturday.

"It's just an annual exam. He was missing his wisdom teeth and tooth No. 3. He had had some cap work," said Harris, referring to the chart.

Harris, now chief of dental services for the VA Medical Center in Montgomery, said he doesn't remember Mr. Bush, who would have been one of as many as 60 unit members seen over two days.

"He was just another pilot," he said. "They had to be seen on an annual basis."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/13/politics/main600029.shtml

[AIJ Alom]

61. No dentist at DANG !!!!

peacemeal posted the following link, under the subheading "link":

as he pointed out, check out the last paragraph:

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/040216/bush.shtml

Copeland also is puzzled by dental records that Bush produced as evidence of his duties at Dannelly.

"We had no dentist at Dannelly Field," Copeland said. "The only dentists were at Maxwell (Air Force Base)."

Shouldn't it read MANG then ?

[DesEtoiles]

87. So he got the required annual dental exam, but no the required physical?

[AIJ Alom]

91. I guess his teeth were qualified to fly.

[stevedeshazer]

59. Check this out

Number looks to me like 303-676-6504, so I googled it. Here's what I got:

COMMERCE BUSINESS DAILY ISSUE OF MAY 30,1995 PSA#1356

21 CONS/LGCV, 700 Suffolk St., Bldg. 982, Peterson AFB CO 80914-1200

T -- PUBLISHER MILITARY PUBLICATIONS Contact Lt Col Sue Wentzell [phone]. AF Reserve Newsletter and Personnel Fact Sheets. Single award term contract for the period Oct 1, 1995 through Sept 30, 1996. HQ Air Reserve Personnel Center, Denver, seeks a publisher with an established advertising base (preferably national) for two publications. The first publication is 50 pgs (min) to 60 pgs (max) of editorial material entitled the ``ARPC Reserve Personnel Fact Sheets,'' which is distributed once annually to approximately 205,000 Air National Guardmens and Air Force Reservists worldwide. The Fact Sheets is a reference publication which provides information on assignments, promotions, pay, entitlements and benefits and other career management subjects to Reservists/Guardsmen stationed worldwide. The second publication is 24 pgs (min) to 30 pgs (max) of editorial material entitled the ``IMA Update'' newsletter. It is distributed once every other month to approximtely 25,000 Individual Reservists, recruiters and other military members worldwide (this is the primary publication the USAF Reserve uses to communicate personnel news to Individual Reservists which includes physicians, lawyers, engineer, chaplains, and other professionals). Specifications for both publication (8 1/2 x 11-inch) cover printing, binding, packing, mailing, and distribution. Contractor agrees to bear all costs and expenses of publishing, and all proceeds from the sale of advertisements belong to the publisher. The government will furnishcamera-ready copy, print orders, pre-screened and continuous tone photos, illustrations/graphics, and Cheshire mailing labels. Contractor is to affix these labels to individual copies for mailing under a separategovernment-furnished mailing permit and also to packages for multiple-copy mailings. The government must review all advertising before publication. Interested parties have two weeks to respond. Contact Lt Col Sue Wentzell, HQ ARPC/PA, 6760 E Irvington Pl, #5600, Denver, CO 80280-5600. Phone [phone] or fax [phone]. (145)

Loren Data Corp. http://www.ld.com (SYN# 0095 19950526\T-0001.SOL)
T - Photographic, Mapping, Printing and Publication Services Index Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Link here: http://www.fbodaily.com/cbd/archive/1995/05(May)/30-May-1995/Tsol001.htm

[stevedeshazer]

62. Also got this from the same fax number

link here: http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/pa/hometown.htm

This looks like a good fit! But, what does it mean?

[AIJ Alom]

67. Wonder if they have blank standard dental form 603's....

[Teaser]

71. I got more on this below. nt

nt

[dave29]

76. Lt Col Sue Wentzell

I can find absolutely nothing about her via google other than this one link.

[stevedeshazer]

77. Yeah, I tried that too

What's up with that?

[AIJ Alom]

79. The link is from 1995 guys.

It's outdated. I googled her name in parenthesis and got this

Santa Tracker - Forums powered by UBB.threads™
... Jody Vazquez, USAF; Colonel Sue Wentzell, USAF; and the Men and Women of the Cheyenne
Mountain Operations Centre in Colorado Springs, Colorado. ...
forum.news12.com/ubbthreads/ showflat.php?Number=8830&Board=news12li - 47k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

[stevedeshazer]

82. The Air Reserve Personnel Center

Still lists that fax number (at the bottom of the page)
http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/pa/hometown.htm

True, the other doc is almost ten years old, which explains the lack of info on Col. Wentzell.

[dave29]

81. A little more info on her

http://www.bethellutheran.net/AdultPrograms.html

Out-to-Dinner

Leader: Sue Wentzell

If you like eating out, enjoy meeting & sharing fellowship with follow Bethel members, and are open to new, interesting dining experiences, this new group is just for you

If this is the same person (ministry is in Colorado Springs) she is a religious person... or a swinger. It's so hard to tell. ;)

If someone has the time - it may be worthwhile to see if the Bush family (or any of their minions) has any connections to this Church.

[kentuck]

66. This story says the records came from Denver, area code 303...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-02-12-guard_x.htm

<snip>
The White House obtained the dental record, along with other medical records it did not release, from the Air Reserve Personnel Center in Denver, spokesman Scott McClellan said.

[grasswire]

69. there ya go, then

No mystery about the fax number.

[Teaser]

68. Googled 303-676-6504: link for new dental forms on page

results:

link1

It's the "heaquarters air reserve personnel center"
Has a publications and forms subheader. click on that subheader and
you get:

http://arpc.afrc.af.mil/sgo/forms_pubs.htm

a link directly to new dental forms!!!



Second google output:
link3

[Teaser]

72. PLEASE READ THE PRECEDING POST!!!

sorry, but this needs attention. If I missed it upthread, I'm sorry.

[troubleinwinter]

73. WTF?????

Left Texas for Alabama Sept. '72, and returned to his unit at Ellington TX Nov. '72. (Per CBS timeline).

WHY would he have a dental exam in January '73 in ALABAMA???

Is there a different timeline that makes sense of this???!!!

[kentuck]

70. We can assume it was faxed from Denver to the WH ?

But they faxed many records to the WH....That means they kept the originals. They are in Denver. Unless they have been destroyed. I wonder what it would take ($$$$$) to find an enterprising employee at the Center to assist in the endeavor??

[mreh]

74. January 6, 1973 is a Saturday.

Is that normal?

[troubleinwinter]

78. WTF again!?

* Sept. 6, 1972: Bush's request for a three-month transfer to 187th TAC Recon Group, Montgomery, Ala., is approved so he can work as political director for the Senate campaign of Winton M. Blount, a friend of his father.

* November 1972: Bush returns to his unit at Ellington in Texas.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-bush-national-guard-timeline,0,6302344.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines
______

Again... why is he having a dental exam in ALABAMA in JANUARY??????????

[grasswire]

84. because.....

...he was pulling a scam on the Ellington officers. He never reported back in at Ellington, to avoid duty. He was off the radar there, remember, deliberately.

Dunno why he didn't just pay the freaking $60 for a teeth cleaning with his private dentist, though.

[starroute]

90. There's always been something screwy about Oct 72-Jan 73

I don't have all the details on hand, but this is the general picture:

Records show Bush credited with serving on two weekends in October and November, but there are problems with this: It was immediately before and after the election he was working on. There are no indications he ever showed up in either Alabama or Texas at this time. And the weekends don't match the dates his assigned unit was meeting.

(One theory is that the credits were on-paper only, recorded after Bush was transfered to ARF in Denver for failing to show up as directed earlier in October.)

Most evidence suggests that Bush returned to Texas in November, a few weeks after the election, and started the apparent community service work with PULL in mid-January. There have been a couple of recent pieces, one of them in Salon, I believe, that I think mentioned his spending that Christmas with his parents and that it was something of a disaster.

So it's always been a puzzle to me why Bush would have been back in Alabama for a dental exam in January 1973 when he'd never served there and when all other signs are that he'd left the state a month or two previously. If the dental exam turns out to be fake, that would cast all the other events of the November-January period in a new light.

[starroute]

95. Here are some details

The various articles quoted below are confusing and mutually contradictory. The one thing that does seem certain is that Bush didn't show up for Guard duty anywhere in October and November -- not in either Alabama or Texas, and not for either the days he was ordered to do duty or the dates he was paid for.

He may have returned to Houston in either November or December. He may have been back in Alabama in late November/early December as the ex-girlfriend claimed, although there doesn't seem to be anything to confirm her story (and her claim that he was there to fulfill his Guard duty tends to make her recollection suspect.) It's pretty certain that he was he was with his family in Washington, DC at Christmas. And he started the work with PULL at some indefinite time in January.

Despite the contradictions, it seem that Bush was out of Alabama for good either in November or, at the latest, by mid-December. There is nothing at all except the dental record to place him there as late as January -- and no apparent reason he would have returned just to get his teeth cleaned.

So what the heck is going on?


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/articles/2004/02/11/white_house_releases_bushs_guard_records

Bush's military records contain orders for him to do weekend duty at an Air National Guard unit in Alabama on Oct. 7-8, 1972, and Nov. 4-5, 1972, during a period when Bush had temporarily relocated to Montgomery to work on a political campaign. The unit's commander said in two interviews four years ago that Bush never appeared.

The records released yesterday show Bush's late 1972 duty was performed not on the days listed in his orders but on Oct. 28-29 and Nov. 11-14.

McClellan said he did not know whether Bush performed that duty in Alabama, where Bush has said he recalls attending drills, or Texas.

Until the new records became available, there was nothing in Bush's public military records to indicate he performed any duty between April 16, 1972 -- his last duty day at Ellington Air Force Base in Houston before he moved to Alabama -- and May 1, 1973. And Bush's official discharge papers contain no evidence of any duty between May 1972 and his release from the Guard in the fall of 1973.


http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/02/02_400.html

November 1972:
Bush returns to Houston, but never reports for Guard duty.

December 1972:
In D.C. for the holidays, Bush takes 16-year-old brother Marvin drinking and driving. Confronted by father, Bush suggests they settle it "mano a mano."


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/163815p-143464c.html

Bush went to Alabama to work on the Republican senate campaign of Winton (Red) Blount. Mary Marks Curtis of Montgomery, Ala., who worked with Bush and dated him at the time, said that after the election, "he left and came back to Montgomery in late November or early December. He told me that he was coming back to Montgomery because he had to fulfill his Guard duty."

Defense Department payroll records released by the White House show Bush was paid for two days of Guard duty in October and four days in mid-November.


http://www.hermes-press.com/dishonorable.htm

In December 1972, Bush returned to Houston, but apparently not to his Air Force unit. In January 1973 he did community service with the P.U.L.L. inner-city poverty program. On May 2, 1973, the two lieutenant colonels in charge of Bush's unit in Houston, one of them a friend of Bush, were unable to rate him for the prior 12 months, saying he had not been at the unit during that period.

[kentuck]

80. It definitely looks fake....

But they would not need it faxed if it were fake?? They would just fill out the form, right?? But, he was not supposed to be in Alabama in January of 1973?? These people are so dishonest and deceptive....and so good at covering their tracks. How could their wives or mothers even trust them??

[AIJ Alom]

83. The "official" story is that he went back to Alabama to finish his...

Commitment there.

But the central argument still remains.

Where was W for May, June, July, August, September, and October of 1972 ?

His own documents, pay records, cannot answer this question and show at least a 6 month gap !

[troubleinwinter]

86. Supposedly in Alabama to finish his commitment there

But he was performing community service with P.U.L.L. in Houston in January '73.

So now where are we?????????

[doni_georgia]

85. 303-676-6504 is in Aurora Colorado, 303-678-6504 is in Longmont, CO

No further info available

[kentuck]

88. Coincidence: Aurora is where John Kerry was born.

:)

[DesEtoiles]

89. A great reasource to research this: http://www.awolbush.com/

http://www.awolbush.com/

[kentuck]

93. And this was two months after the election in Alabama....

Bush's guy lost in November... The election was over. He went to Alabama to work on the election.