NOT BREAKING: SF's Public Option Plan Rates 94% Satisfaction

[ProSense]

NOT BREAKING: SF's Public Option Plan Rates 94% Satisfaction

by ParkingMeter

The Public Option works! San Francisco's universal health care plan Healthy San Francisco was rated by 94% of the participants as being "satisfied". This is according to a recent survey of 1,026 participants released by the non-profit Kaiser Family Foundation.

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What the Kaiser (PDF) Survey results say about Healthy SF:

Great talking point facts when at your friendly town hall meeting or Tea Bagger party!

Overall Results:

Patient Satisfaction: 94% Satisfied; 63% "Very Satisfied" 31% "Somewhat Satisfied"

Available: 60% of participants were NOT eligible for health insurance from their employer when they signed up! Now that's universal care.

Program Enrollment Process: 86% Satisfied

Health Needs Met: Before program 66% Satisfied (34% very well satisfied); After enrollment in program 90% Satisfied (57% very well satisfied). WOW!

Feeling Well Protected: Remember Healthy SF is NOT health insurance, even so, 50% felt "well protected" the same percentage as people who have health insurance plans today.

Services and Access Results:

Treatments and Drugs You Want: 89% Satisfied, 9% Not Satisfied (where's the exclusions "list"?)

Routine Appointments: 84% Satisfied, 13% Not Satisfied (the doctor will see you now)

Specialist Appointment: 80% Satisfied, 16% Not Satisfied (where are the death panels?)

Doctor Communication: 88% Satisfied, 7% Not Satisfied (do they allow this?)

Quality of Care: 91% Satisfied, 4% Not Satisfied (nuff' said)

See the Doctor you Want: 84% Satisfied, Not Satisfied 10% (choice, who knew?)

Administrative Answers: 89% Satisfied, 7% Not Satisfied. (what planet is this from?)

Cost Results:

Cost: 44% say they are "paying less" and 15% say they are "paying more". Remember "paying more" means in comparison to when they had health insurance paid by their employer.

Overall Cost: 88% Satisfied, 6% Not Satisfied. (3% overhead vs. 33% profits)

In summary, PARTICIPANTS ARE 80%+ SATISFIED ON EVERY METRIC OF SF's PUBLIC OPTION.

[ProSense]

1. No comment? n/t

[Oregone]

2. Isn't Healthy SF socialized health care for the uninsured, more or less?

Whereas the actually delivery of the care is done at public facilities, rather than private that operate on a fee-per-service/insurance model?

If so, you are comparing retarded apples to oranges and confusing the fuck out of people who still don't know what the "public option" is really going to be.

I guess thats another example of how the term "public option" can mean everything and nothing at the same time, depending on who you are, and what agenda you are pushing

on edit: this is just dribble. Im a bit embarrassed to have replied

[Name removed]

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[nickinSTL]

3. so much for a public option fulfilling the gloom and doom

prophesying of the right.

[Oregone]

5. If only the magic "public option" would look anything like this

But it wont. Any attempt to use this model to bolster support for the "public option" is a bit moronic (whether you like the original concept or not).

Its intellectually dishonest.

[NYC_SKP]

6. Never has a DU member's name been more appropriate to her posts.

Except, maybe, for "LeftyFingerPop".

And "Ptah"... :P

ProSense! :yourock:

[Marsala]

7. So you want to impose SAN FRANCISCO VALUES on the rest of the nation?!

Horrors! :sarcasm:

[Oregone]

8. I only wish the Democrats were that progressive

They killed single-payer in its infancy, and aborted socialized health care (what this is) long before that.

[ProSense]

9. "They killed single-payer in its infancy,, and aborted socialized health care" Repeat

Single payer was never conceived. It was never on the table. Obama's plan has always been the public option.

If you can't deal with that, then too bad.

[Oregone]

10. Is socialized health care on the table?

Why the hell else would you post various articles about it and claim its success ensures a "public option" will succeed?

Healthy SF is what happens when you cross single-payer with single-provider. Its like VA health care! You get that don't you.

What you are talking about is WAY to the left of "single-payer". What planet are you on?

[ProSense]

11. "What planet are you on?" The one that

understands what a public plan is:

San Francisco officials estimate there are 60,000 uninsured residents. About 41,000 are currently enrolled in the city's health care program. This move by Kaiser could help the city reach its goal of offering access to all by sometime next year.

Mayor Gavin Newsom calls it a 'wow' moment -- a milestone he hopes will be a model for the nation.

"Kaiser is not just a San Francisco company. This is one of the largest HMO's in the United States, certainly in the state of California. The fact that they are participating in this public plan is not insignificant, I think," said Mayor Newsom.

In July, Kaiser doctors like Lisa Tang will join physicians at a handful of other hospitals and several community clinics already participating in the two-year-old city program.

"That includes primary care, tertiary care, emergency care, hospital care, skilled nursing care," said Christine Robisch from Kaiser Permanente.

As the program expands, the city has been able to loosen eligibility requirements. For example, a family of four making about $110,000 a year can sign up, or a single person earning $54,000.

Healthy San Francisco is funded primarily by the city. Even during this fiscal crisis, the mayor is proposing a $9.5 million infusion. There's also a state grant, patient fees based on income and contributions from every company in the city with at least 20 employees.

link

Why? What planet are you on?

[Oregone]

12. So: you are in favor of expanding that Healthy SF model to the nation?

Is that what you want? You want socialized clinics in every town that people can choose from? Is that the reform you are getting behind?

Id get behind that any day. Single-payer is a half-way step...a compromise. And allowing the system to exist is a right-wing dream.

What are you really for? You are for socializing health care delivery? Is that what the "public option" means to you?

Or are you just looking for something called "public option", that is nothing like what is in HR 3200, to start a belligerent pissing match over?

[ProSense]

16. The San Francisco plan is a model of a public plan.

It appears everyone with hands on involvement with the plan characterizes it as a public plan. That you disagree because it doesn't fit your little campaign against a public option, means nothing.

[Oregone]

17. A public health care plan. Not a public insurance plan

Its like the VA. Socialized care. Is that what you want? You want socialized care like Healthy SF? Is that what you mean when you say "public option"?



(BTW, thats not how its is defined in HR 3200)

[truedelphi]

13. That is not true. Go back a couple of years

And he said that if we had sixty Senators in the Senate, and a majority in the House, then there could be Single Payer Universal Health Care.

Then he reneged.

Also and just as important, he said last year when campaigning that he would see to it that any discussions relating to health care reform would be transperent - no more secret or closed door meetings.

Except once in office, it didn't bother Obama at all that it suddenly became necessary to have about 30 thousand dollars to sit in on one of the conferences where reform was discussed.

[ProSense]

14. Nonsense. Obama never campaigned for President on single payer.

Never.

[Oregone]

15. Therefore, he has a reason to not do the "right thing"

Because winning votes is more important than what you do after you are elected.

Cept, well, he did promise to have good judgement. On no. Now we have a conflict.

Hey, who cares. Fuck single-payer. We are going to get VA Care, but for everyone!!! Thats what "public option" means. Just look at this OP comparing the two models. Socialized health care for all! We will show Cuba

[ProSense]

18. The right thing is to deliver on his campaign promise,

not to deliever on your fantasy or to acquiesce to those throwing tantrums.

[Oregone]

19. He never promised socialized care like Healthy SF

So, since this is what the "public option" is going to be, he is a bit filthy liar, right? Or wait...maybe its not a fuckn thing like socialized care and you are the liar.



In a nation of morons (this thread for example), you have to say moronic things to get elected. We should hope that not everyone follows through.

[ProSense]

20. Or maybe you can't deal with reality? n/t

[Oregone]

21. Reality? Define it for me. Is HR3200 modeled after Healthy SF?

Or would only a fucking idiot mention them in the same breath and equate the mysterious "public option" to socialized health care delivery?


You have nothing.

[ProSense]

22. "Or would only a fucking idiot mention them in the same breath "

Didn't you just do that?

[Oregone]

23. Quips rather than honest answers?

You have nothing. You've avoided the fact that you're comparing apples to oranges.


Honestly, if you are pro-public insurance as an option for some Americans amongst the 400 private, for profit providers, fine. Argue it based on the merits of the proposal. Don't just toss around dogshit and hope it sticks. Your approach couldn't be more intellectually dishonest

[ProSense]

24. " Don't just toss around dogshit and hope it sticks. " What's that? Again,

it appears everyone with hands on involvement with the plan characterizes it as a public plan. That you disagree because it doesn't fit your little campaign against a public option, means nothing.

You are the one throwing a tantrum and pretending it's a discussion. San Francisco's plan is a public plan and a model for the public option. Period.

[Oregone]

26. It is a public plan. A public health CARE plan. Not a public INSURANCE plan.

Just like the VA. Being a socialized provider, there isn't an issue of multi-party private insurance brokers contributing to costs & efficiency decreases. It is the most streamlined and simple method to deliver healthcare and reduce costs. Of course it works.


"San Francisco's plan is a ... model for the public option."

I wish. It isn't. Because socializing delivery isn't on the table. Single-payer would be first (a more moderate position). Its not on the table either. We could only hope it would be, but it isn't, and anything different is a filthy lie.

I asked my dining table if it has ever heard such an asinine argument. I was met with silence.

[truedelphi]

29. The man in this video sure looks like Barack Obama and

IT sure looks like he is running for office. Perhaps the office of the President of the USA?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE

[truedelphi]

28. I guess the man in this video is not the man who ran

For President using the name "Barack Obama"

Sure looks like him though!!

[notesdev]

25. Do the math

You're not going to like what this program would cost on a national basis. Where's the extra $930 billion per yearcoming from?

Here's the source data:

http://www.healthysanfrancisco.org/files/PDF/2008-09_HSF_Annual_Report_SF_Health_Commission.pdf

My numbers are taking the total expenditures, dividing by the number of participants, and multiplying by the 320 million people in this country whom a universal plan would serve.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

27. I was coverd for four years ---

under that plan -- it was a fantastic experience. I was treated by some of the most caring, compassionate health care providers I have ever known. I got my treatments free or at very low cost, including mental healthcare. Appointments could take awhile to get, but there was an urgent care clinic if you needed to be seen sooner.

If I were not covered currently by Kaiser, I would still be with the program and be 100% happy.

I survived (and thrived under) a public option! :D

[flpoljunkie]

30. 'Healthy San Francisco' is operated by San Fran Department of Public Health- not an insurance plan

(Whatever it is, it sounds like it is quite successful. Senator Bernie Sanders said that in the HELP bill there was a major expansion of community health centers--a very good thing.)

Healthy San Francisco is an innovative program designed to make health care services accessible and affordable to uninsured San Francisco residents. It is operated by the San Francisco Department of Public Health (DPH).

Healthy San Francisco is not insurance, but a reinvention of the San Francisco health care safety net, that will enable and encourage residents to access primary and preventive care. It provides a Medical Home and primary physician to each program participant, allowing a greater focus on preventive care, as well as specialty care, urgent and emergency care, laboratory, inpatient hospitalization, radiology, and pharmaceuticals.

It is the culmination of Mayor Newsom's 2005 State of the City pledge to provide universal health care access to the city's estimated 73,000 uninsured.

http://www.healthysanfrancisco.org/about_us/

[OwnedByFerrets]

31. K and R

[Vidar]

32. K&R.