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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:20 AM Original message |
public option vs. nothing at all |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. what if taking what we can get is worse than we have now? |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. then we (the democrats) have wasted all this effort... |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. if "taking what we can get" means a windfall for insurance companies |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. if the votes aren't there |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No, we shouldn't. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. While some might see that attitude as just irrational or silly, I think that attitude is immoral. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. That tactic won't work either. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It isn't a tactic. It is a statement. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. I'm a democrat. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:37 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I don't understand why you keep saying what I say "won't work." |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. your post is insulting |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:40 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. In certain circumstances, those that are not willing to cave are absolutely throwing a hissy fit. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. even if the "mandatory" provision remains |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:50 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. A mandate will only remain if community rating remains. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. why do I still have an uneasy feeling of a HUGE windfall for the insurers . . . |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:56 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. So even if a bill unambiguously provided subsidized insurance to the poor and the sick |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:07 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I didn't say that at all |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Oh, I am also disappointed with the majority we currently have. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:14 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Progressives are no longer democrats? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Progressives are all Democrats. But Democrats are not all progressives. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:29 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. But it's okay to cater to the conservatives? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:30 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. It is a necessity to "cater" to the median member of each house. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:38 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. You aren't moving toward the left. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:41 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. I'm not moving anywhere. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the median member of Congress. |
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cleveramerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
57. no insult intended |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I'll second that. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 04:55 AM Response to Original message |
5. I completely agree. I suspect most here do, though not as many are willing to say so. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:08 AM Response to Original message |
7. It's sad day when Democrats who Control Both Houses have to Compromise |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. You are assuming that all Democrats actually want Single Payer. |
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quantass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #10 |
29. I never said that directly. You misunderstood. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:08 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. I guess I just disagree with you on whether that strategy would have worked. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:12 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I wouldn't worry about it. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
14. Obama keeps saying don't let the good be the enemy of the perfect or some such nonsense. |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Wish I had waited two minutes before I posted mine |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. Not sure I agree with you |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. funny the difference a few days makes |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. "We" haven't given anything up- trollers on the other hand... |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. and exactly who is the troller? |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:46 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. It's why many Democratic representatives don't take their base seriously |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:51 AM Response to Reply #24 |
27. doesn't even appear they are listening to their base |
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rpannier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yep. |
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Onlooker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
25. Let's give the insurance industry 40 million new customers |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. How about community rating? |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Or we could try a modified community rating? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. My ultimate goal is that no one pay more than a certain modest percentage of their income |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. That is a loophole. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:17 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Modified does not necessarily mean more money. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:23 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I'm for a solution that works. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:21 AM Response to Original message |
42. It is Public Options vs. Single Payer. We get one or the other. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 06:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Can you tell me which 218 house members and 50-60 Senators will vote for a public option? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. If it comes up for a vote do you really think they will shoot it down? |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 07:36 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Definately. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
52. That is NOT what I voted for. |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 07:48 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. You don't have much of a choice. |
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asdjrocky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 07:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Whining? Fuck that. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
55. Who is going to pay for that? |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
56. there has to be a mechanism for controlling costs |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-24-09 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
58. Without a public option, the legislation does more harm than good. |
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