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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:38 PM
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Health Care Co-Ops NOT Substitute for Public Option - Here's Why...

Colorado Center for Law & Policy

http://www.cclponline.org/pubfiles/HealthCareCoOp_OpedF...

The health care reform debate in Washington often results in a lot of noise, a bit of hyperbole, and an overwhelming amount of information to digest—good or bad, accurate or not. A recent proposal by Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND) is just such a case, an idea that seems good on its face, but in fact would not deliver the outcomes that some say.

Sen. Conrad proposed that health care cooperatives might be a good substitute for a public health insurance option. The Denver Post carried a story recently suggesting rural electric co-ops could serve as a model. However, this co-op model would not be an effective substitute for a public health insurance option for several reasons.

First, rural electric co-ops are local and serve in particular areas. A health plan modeled this way would not allow for portability of coverage from one part of the country to another, or from an area served by a co-op to an area served by another coop, or not served by a co-op at all. This is not really different from the current system, where if you move you have to change insurance plans. The lack of ability to keep your plan when you move is something that needs to be fixed to ensure greater access, continuity of coverage and care, and your freedom to choose doctors and health plans.

Second, services through a locally based health care co-op would likely cost a lot, more than you pay today if you are insured. As expensive as health care is, insurance companies are able to reduce costs by negotiating discounted rates. They can do this because they serve a lot of people and therefore have enough business to offer to doctors, hospitals and other providers to make it worth their while to reduce costs. It’s a volume discount. Anyone who has ever been uninsured and wound up in the hospital knows that the bill they get is far larger than the bill an insurance company would have paid. A regional coop simply would not have the buying power of a large insurance company and the idea is getting traction precisely because it is not threatening. A Public Option, on the other hand, would have real bargaining power and be able to compete with insurance companies.

Third, insurance is about pooling risk. I might not be sick today, but I am paying the same amount as you are, because I know that I, or my spouse, child or parent, will be sick tomorrow, next month or next year. We share the risk. The smaller the group the more participants’ costs go up when members have a health crisis because fewer people are sharing the risk. It’s also less likely that a small group will be able to invest in cost savings and quality improvement measures, update IT capacity, or withstand the impact of catastrophic events such as a pandemic or hurricane. A large group represented by a Public Option that shares costs across millions of people can do all of those things.

Fourth, rural electric coops were designed to deliver electricity in locations where it was otherwise not economically beneficial to serve and with heavy federal subsidies. The electricity was and is delivered to particular spots, whether people remain there or not. The electricity is not portable. Our health care system is different. The need is for access to health care, which usually flows with the coverage or insurance package involved, or with the employer. When people move, or change jobs, they need the access to move with them. Being enrolled in a Colorado co-op does not necessarily get you health coverage when you move to Wyoming, or vice versa.
Finally, a new system of public health co-ops will not be ready to go immediately. It would take years, a huge new investment of dollars and human resources, and an untried management structure to try to make such a system work. On the other hand, a public option, structured like Medicare, which already serves most Americans over 65, could be ready to go quickly with lesser transitional costs. We cannot afford having Americans go into bankruptcy every 30 seconds as they do now because of continual rising health care costs.

A strong public health care option, widely available throughout the country, is the only way to ensure guaranteed access, greater portability, and freedom of choice for consumers. Such a public option could also spark innovative new ways to deliver health care that will improve quality and reduce costs. While a co-op presents some intriguing possibilities, it alone cannot cure what ails the current system. Only by spurring true competition with private plans and a public option will Americans get more value for our health care dollar. And only a uniquely American solution that includes a public health insurance option will guarantee that everyone can have quality, affordable health care.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:48 PM
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1. Moderators, I never ask this - but this might be a good post for the front page journal

To give a basic outline of the problems with health coops
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:53 PM
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2. K&R... thanks for posting! We need a public option.
That was our compromise (not having single payer).

We don't need to compromise further.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:56 PM
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3. Thanks for this post.
The cooperatives canard is another distraction away from the real issue that they are protecting the insurance industry.
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:56 PM
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4. all good points - Single Payer is what we need!
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:10 PM by appal_jack
Additionally, co-ops are not immune to some of the same 'market forces' that shape the scrooge-like attitude of the private entities.

The region where I live is 'served' by both electrical and phone co-ops, and I can vouch that they are not significantly different than private for-profit companies at this time. They each have 'spun-off' private for-profit companies (a wireless company by the phone co-op, a propane/energy company by the power co-op) that violate the original intent of their incorporations. Their rates and policies are similar to other regional private for-profits.

Worse yet, the phone co-op charges an outrageous rate for DSL internet (Around $50 per month, with a minimum of another $40 per month for phone service...), and the power co-op has recent lobbied to keep purchasing mountaintop-removal coal AND also for new nuclear plants.

I don't fault the co-ops entirely for these actions. They are forced to compete in the for-profit arena, even if they are themselves not . But I am sure that health-care co-ops would follow the same mediocre path. We need to remove health care from the profit-making drive (note - I am fine with doctors being paid very well, just not corporations boosting revenues by denying their clients needed health care). A robust public option is the only way that a real alternative can begin to take root.

Think about it: Blue Cross still technically operates as a non-profit in many states, yet its existence has not solved the health care crisis. Why would a bunch of state-by state or even regional co-ops? A national public option (at minimum) that has a chance to compete for people's health-care $$$ and perhaps grow into a single-payer system is what we need.

-app

Edit to emphasize a viable national public option and mention Single Payer as a cause worth supporting still.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:59 PM
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5. I am sure the insurance companies would not allow co-ops into the legislation, if they believed

there existence provided any true competition.

And, that is who is dictating this legislation - the insurance companies
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:02 PM
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7. it sure seems like it so far...
More and more, I am believing that we should push for this current bill to be tossed, and HR 676 (single payer - Medicare) should be what we go door-to-door to support.

The insurance co's ruined the present 'compromise.'

-app
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:01 PM
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6. Good point about Blue Cross and you can include another non-profit
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:03 PM by Cleita
in there, Kaiser-Permanente. Neither have solved the health care crisis although Kaiser works like Britain's socialized health care, it lacks the universality and spread of risk to be effective.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:15 PM
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8. It isn't complicated - health insurance companies are investor owned for profit corporations

There bottom line is profit. They exist to make money for their investors (and the CEO'S). By their very nature, they are part of the problem.

They provide no service.

They are middlemen.

We don't need them.

And, they are terrified the American people will finally understand this point.

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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:00 PM
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14. We must hold Obama's feet to the fire and demand a real public option - and all the other dems

As well
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:08 PM
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15. yes - non-profit is not even close to truly 'public' n/t
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:24 PM
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9. CO-OPs are simply handing Repubs their moment of achievement.
CO-OPs = getting rid of Medicare.

Put everyone in Private Insurance and it will a whiz to end
Medicare.

This is what happens when six people(Gang of Six) put in charge
of drawing up a bill which affects every single person in America.

These 6 Senators are from states in which there are more trees
than people. Some at most have only 650,000 people. Their
world view is naturally quite different from someone from
let us say Chicago, NYC.

My point is what would be the result if that Gang of Six had
a couple of people from more populated east coast.

CO-OPs = getting rid of Medicare. Norquist's big goal.



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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:52 PM
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12. It will certainly make Obama look weak, caving into Republican demands

And, it will piss off his base which is WAY larger then the Republicans.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:29 PM
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10. Here's
another good article

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:54 PM
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13. -1 unrec
I just felt like it.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:47 PM
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16. thank you
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:39 PM
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11. K & R! n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:17 PM
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17. Private Option/Public Option/Cooperative Option
Just don't take the Public Option out.


The other point is that the public option reinforces the publics understanding of how government can provide essential services and dispels the scare tactics. The public option is a gateway to the ultimate solution - single payer. Cooperatives are a dead end and will be 10 years of 'tinkering' trying to make them something that they are not.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:15 PM
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18. K&R
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