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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:49 PM
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Obama's brilliant move.
The real debate will occur after the August recess when bills finally get out of committee and onto the floors of both houses.

The brilliance is... that will be when AMERICAN IDOL returns and Americans are totally distracted for 6 months.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:52 PM
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1. The other part of that brilliance...


All of the rightwing arguments will be stale by then. They will have been debunked completely by then.


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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:54 PM
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2. Oh they won't care if Randy and Simon are on the "death panel"
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:54 PM
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3. I don't think that was Obama's move.
He was pushing to have the bill before the break. It is fortunate timing for the sheeple, though.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:57 PM
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5. He knew he wouldn't get a bill before August--not with Sotomayor going at the same time.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:58 PM by ncteechur
I think he wanted all this BS to come out now. He knew there would be outcry--maybe not in this form but he knew from 1993 that the insurance industry would fight tooth and nail. I really don't think th eAI thing is part of his plan but don't look a gift horse in the mouth.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:03 PM
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14. You are thinking linearly. One plan, one idea.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 09:57 PM by RandomThoughts
I am not sure how much was planned, but on the topic of planning you should always have contingencies with built in preparation for many other contingencies it is a more effective way.

So as you fight for attempt A, you seed attempt B C D E etc...

And if action B is needed, it also prepares for effort C D E etc...

At any time when the program executes out with proper results, the prepared events can be used elsewhere or allowed to grow wild until needed later, but if more extreme methods are needed they are already prepared for, and any other needed action is always pre-cooked and ready in the program to be used if it is required for later.

I think that is a better logistical approach to situations.

It is alot like throwing the ammo ahead scene in this video (3:52). (although I don't believe in violence) you can see how even while on area R he was preparing for section S or T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QQXOvRLkls
(The reason the guy in the clip says he is a liar is to go into battle clean. McCain even noticed that, or I think that was the reason for his comment of what he learned, indicated by the comment always clean your musket before going into battle. Also the guy trying to wipe out feeling at the beginning of that clip is the bad guy in that movie. Empathy is a good thing.)


Maybe its easier to explain it like this, say you are taking a town to set up a farp that's plan A, so you devote offensive resources to take town, and have the farp construction unit rolling behind it. Now if A is not taken quick, you have a different town nearby to set up Farp, call that plan B, but the reason you roll your fueling construction apparatus behind the offense is so that if A looks like it is being stalled, you can send it to B, And the road you pick is not the fastest to A, but one with access to A and B. Also you assign enough escort with farp constructions to take B, even though it might just roll into A if plan A works. But garrison would be needed to free up A offense anyway, so for either plan A or plan B, you have the same set up Offense force, and behind it some time scale a construction force with an escort.

Now if A and B both stall, you could have an issue, so you set up a farp in your own lines so you would not have a fuel problem, but no need to fuel it, instead have the fuel convoy run a bit behind the farp construction convoy so that it could go to behind line farp if plan C was the one that ended up, if A or B succeed it rolls on to the that Farp.

The total plan is a mix of many plans, no individual part must succeed, but if any do, the plan succeeds, then you add to that other units in other plans, and how they interconnect with different success or failure of subsets of their plans. Same thing with air cover, it could be allocated for A B C of one or many plans, depending on need, but set up is to have the flexibility in place for assigning it where needed.

If the C farp is not needed, you use it for some other purpose since whatever security is needed is already known and foundation is already in place.

Meanwhile you have a whole other set of layers used for reinforcement, forward projection, defense and whatever else is needed, the more layers and interconnectivity the better.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:57 PM
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4. I don't think that Obama wanted it timed this way but he is persistent
He is not backing down and he is not going away.

He is going to continue to press, press and press again.

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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:57 PM
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6. Not to mention the NFL.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:58 PM
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7. true true
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:59 PM
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8. This is some stupid shit
We want people involved in democracy.

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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:01 PM
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11. I want people involved. I don't want lunatics involved.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:59 PM
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9. Obama has allowed the hate and insanity to play out over time. Because
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 09:01 PM by mediaman007
August is a long month, the media eventually gets bored with the confrontations and actually begins to look at the source. Republicans and insurance companies will not be very respected at the end of the month. The Republicans have over committed and there isn't even a product (final health bill) yet!

Perhaps the bonus is that Democrats are learning to stand up to the mobs. They will be better able to defend the final bill.

And maybe the Tea baggers will look around and notice just how white and embarrassing they are to their children and neighbors.


Edited for decency.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:02 PM
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13. Where can I get some of that Koolaid?
This is all just a big brilliant plan? LOL. Obama and the Dems have completely lost control of the debate, and have ceded health care reform to the insane.
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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:20 PM
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17. Only if you think that town halls make a difference.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:59 PM
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10. (a) This is DU. Obama has *no* brilliants moves here...
(b) That's just silly.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:02 PM
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12. Fascinating. Maybe that's what that unhinged Astroturfer meant when she said,
..."I want my America back." What she was really saying was, "I want my American Idol back." She clearly thought that Obama had pre-empted American Idol, and she was pissed.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:06 PM
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15. The goal was to get the ball rolling ASAP -- If he said he wanted a bill with no date then...
do u really think congress would have been as far as they are now? No! I think he ideally wanted the bills prior to the August recess but it wasn't set in stone (he seemed firm at first but became softer)...i think he was more eager to get the bills written and ready for the real debate to start. I dont think he planned this to happen in the way it did but its clear he needed to say something to get congress moving which is why he set the August date.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:07 PM
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16. There is a point on both sides.
I think a final bill would have been an easier target during this break. The fact that there is still a debate on the specifics works to Obama and the Democrat's advantage. It's like the AARP being able to outline the measures they support, but state that they have not endorsed a specific bill. If there was a bill, the debate would simply be for or against it. This way the debate remains broad and inclusive, giving more people an opportunity to ask questions and make suggestions. The lunatics would be screaming in either scenario.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 11:18 PM
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18. More like sweep Health Care under the carpet and hope everyone forgets about it. nt
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