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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:21 AM
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Ed Schultz:If there's no public option I won't support Obama in the next election
WOW!!! he's on fire about the democrats caving in on the public option.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:22 AM
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1. K&R
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:24 AM
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2. He's not the only one.
There's absolutely no excuse not to do at least a public option.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 06:15 PM
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66. This is the one issue that really affects my life
...more than any other. We have health insurance. In 2000, it was good insurance. Every year since Bush came in, the plan has gotten more and more expensive with less and less benefits. Starting next year, our insurance will be reduced to an empty shell that covers almost nothing at all. The insurance is through my wifes work and they just can't afford the ever more expensive premiums any longer.

In 9 years, the cost of our insurance has doubled while the benefits have been cut in half.

They keep talking about the 40 million without insurance. Those of us with insurance are getting screwed even worse.

If they don't pass a public option, we are basically screwed.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:56 AM
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96. Also, consider that in the 8 years Bush was president, you dollar is worth about half now . . . !!!
"Politics effects your life every moment of your life" --

and remember, no matter the titles they're all politicians!!!

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DaLittle Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 10:01 PM
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77. Beat Me To It! Yeah The Dems Will Stay HOME BIGTIME If Obama Plays "safe!"
Mr. President are you trying to win votes or Lobbyist campaign CHECKS?

YOU BETTER DAMN WELL FIGURE IT OUT PRETTY QUICK CAUSE IF YOU COME UP ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THISS ISSUE YOU AND US ARE ALL FU*KED!
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:17 AM
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109. That's right.
We've got control of the process now. There is no reason at all to sit there and tap-dance around the gop, not wanting to upset anyone. It's time to deliver the goods.
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:25 AM
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3. He needs to read the rules that were posted
if he wants to post here.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:26 AM
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5. I suspect he ain't got time nor inclination to post here.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:29 AM
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8. No, those are for
you.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:30 PM
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47. +1000. n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:26 AM
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4. His thinking has "evolved," eh? Just like the White House's!
n/t
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:10 PM
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23. Evolved for the better, I'd say. He's acknowledging the
need for single payer.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:26 AM
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6. Ed Schultz isalways saying how single-issue voters suck...
...so I guess that means...

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 06:24 PM
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67. Ever heard the phrase....
... "The straw that broke the camels back?"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:29 AM
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7. Ed is such a fiery redhead! I share his passion on the public option, but threats are hyperbole.
It is our duty as citizens to lobby D.C. hard.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:35 PM
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123. i agree, it makes him look like a fool.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:31 AM
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9. Yep, No Public, Nobama. nt
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:31 AM
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10. I'm so heartbroken over Obama that I cannot emotionally deal with this right now.
He has disappointed me on so many things.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:54 AM
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17. You know what I hate? Unintentional irony! nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:35 AM
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115. Oh, We Can ALL Get One Of Those Chia Pets!!! I KNOW What I Would do With Mine
if Obama & the Democrats CAVE on this one!! And PLEASE, those of you who prefer NO complaints or alter facts about Obama, at least try to understand the REALITY of Health Insurance and how VERY VERY important some GOOD Plan is passed!

No, fiddling, finagling or f--king around the edges and trying to complicate or inject "words" that make it sound PALATABLE! You know, the "fine print" stuff that in the end just let's "we the people" end up SCREWED AGAIN!!!!
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:41 AM
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14. Dupe self delete
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 12:02 PM by HopeOverFear
Stupid iPod lol
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:33 PM
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49. Sorry, but so much regulation has been removed by Congress. Left a real judicial an military mess.
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 03:36 PM by MarjorieG
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:22 AM
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89. You realize you're opening yourself up to accusations of wanting a pony. (I feel ya, Stalwart)
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:36 PM
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124. two ponies coming right up.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:32 AM
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11. I like Ed, but come on...
the, "I'm taking my ball and going home," approach won't solve anything. Good grief...grow up Ed and talk about this with your brains and not your emotions :eyes:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:04 PM
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45. Ed is emotional and says a lot of over the top things
but on this I actually believe him. Healthcare is his passion right now and he is sick of being disappointed by the Dems.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:22 AM
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90. I agree with Ed on this one.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:16 AM
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85. Sometimes all you can do is take your ball and go home and sit out the game
until the lead players finally realize they have to change the rules.

Obama is not communicating well to the American people on his plans for health care. He needs to explain to people what he proposes and tell us approximately what it will cost -- and how much it will save. I realize that he can't predict the exact numbers, but he could explain how the tax money and private money now being paid for insurance would figure into the mix. What would the load be on those now paying for their own insurance? How can Obama's plan reduce the cost of insurance for everyone?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:30 AM
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92. That's the problem isn't it? We've done that and they just won't learn.
It took Ross Perot to put Bubba in the Whitehouse after 12 years of screwing up, then he stabbed us in the back and we got 8 years of drooling incompetence and evil, and the very same assholes are now running around telling us that they don't need us.

How does that go again, "The Party of no ideas"?


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tomm2thumbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:36 AM
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12. K&R - the truth wins - keep holding to the truth

Just because there are credit unions doesn't mean banks go out of business - but it does allow people an option. The public option would serve as a choice for folks and is necessary. This doomsday story being pushed by medical industry reps is all lard and no meat. And quite disgusting actually.
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SnoopDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:51 AM
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15. It's about time we all stand up for what we want...
And I agree with Ed -

If we do not get a public option/hr676 then I will not vote for Obama or Reid (my senator) in the next election. Period.

The health insurance companies have their lobbyists and all the bribe money. All we have is our vote.

I am holding them directly responsible - implement a real health care system or they do not get my vote.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:53 AM
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16. OK... so who would Ed vote for?
:rofl:

Give me a break. Palin? McCain? Romney? Nader?

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:58 AM
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18. Why, a Republican, of course!
They're clearly in support of a public option.

:sarcasm:
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:18 AM
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87. There are two issues that are important enough to me that if there is
not sufficient progress made on them, I will stay home. The first is the torture investigations and possibly prosecutions. The second is public option or single payer healthcare. I don't think we can grow our manufacturing sector or our clean energy industries unless we take care of the healthcare issue.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:08 AM
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99. Thye Centrist threat "we can vote against our people because they have no where else to go"
Fuck them lets make Republicans happy!
-------------------------------------
That bullshit threat has to be called sooner or later Chump.
Some Democrats expect Democrats to earn the vote!
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:32 AM
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113. For Whom Would You Cast Your Vote?
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 10:32 AM by LeFleur1
This question always comes up if someone offers the opinion that Obama can kiss a two term presidency goodbye if he acts like a Republican.

See...it really doesn't matter who is president if they advocate policies that are Republican. That's what people are complaining about. It's true. The only thing we have is our vote, and our time to campaign. They are two very powerful things. Let's use them. Maybe it's time the Democrats learned a hard lesson.
It's either "mostly" our way or the highway because it doesn't matter if a person runs on the democratic ticket, then acts like a Republican when in office, or runs on the Republican ticket and acts like a Republican in office. Sameo sameo.
If we want the power we have to take it. Being a Democrat means pushing and standing for Democratic ideas and policies.
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:44 PM
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127. Well, if Democrats can learn to stop letting
the MSM pick their "acceptable" candidates for them, we might have better outcomes. I personally would have much preferred Kucinich to Obama. Had he (Kucinich) been elected, I am quite sure he would not hesitate to use both the bully pulpit and political capital to push through single payer, an end to DOMA and DADT, eliminating unfair trade agreements, getting us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, etc. The power of the bully pulpit is a huge advantage that the President has to rally the people to lobby their elected officials. Obama hasn't used that much for the simple fact that he doesn't back any plan of the type desired by the majority of Americans, so better to play it low key with nondescript verbiage like spouting the words "Public Option" (but offering no specifics about what his idea of a public option is). If Democrats could learn to select candidates solely on their platforms and voting records, without EVER listening to MSM hyperbola telling us who is "electable" and who is not, or who "see's little green men" and who "speaks to god", or who looks "presidential" and who is "too short", etc., we could achieve so much more. Unfortunately, our elections are more of a beauty contest amongst a field of candidates deemed "acceptable" to corporate interests, and Democrats fall in line every election. The people will NEVER come out ahead as long as we continually follow this cycle.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:18 PM
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27. So if someone is not happy with their elected official
they must still vote for that person for fear someone worse might replace them? Gee, I wonder why our govt is so corrupt?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:50 PM
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36. Of course you're right.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 01:57 PM
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40. If perfect angels were politicians, they would get trounced...
First of all, this whole tirade is supposed to play to some "I'm a populist loudmouth!" schtick.

Has legislation been passed?

A sports analogy (since Ed is into that) would be having the crowd turn on a baseball team because they are losing by a couple runs in the second inning.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:45 PM
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51. Sorry but the sports analogy that fits Congress
comes under the heading of the 'fix is in'. Say it ain't so Joe! That sort of thing.
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:54 PM
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53. So, if a politician
casts the majority of his/her votes in opposition to what your ideals are, you will still vote for that politician just because they happen to be a member of a certain political party?
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:13 AM
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84. You're not from Chicago are you
We will turn on our baseball team if they are down by a couple of runs in the first inning of the first game.
Back on topic. This is the best time to pass true health care reform. Hell, we can even pass single payer health care system . We have a popular president, 60 Senators and a large majority in the House. Dems don't have to play nice with the Republicans.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:50 PM
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37. Exactly NT
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:17 PM
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46. Well, lets see......
.....Kucinich, Dean. Hey, here's a thought: how about we close all the public libraries in America. After all, those bookstores have to make a profit. Damn government involvement in our reading habits will ruin this country. :sarcasm:
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:37 PM
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73. How about just staying home...
sorry, but unless there's a marked difference, he will be a one termer - and he only has HIMSELF to blame...
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:59 AM
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19. I don't mean to be obvious but does Ed know how bills are passed in DC
Perhaps his comment should be reflected by the Senators and Representatives who have not offered a public option. I mean yes Obama makes bills that are presented to congress but ultimately it's those senators and representatives that present the final bill for Obama to sign.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:16 PM
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26. Very true
People need to also hold their feet to the fire also. Everyone's whining about the President but won't lobby their Senators and Representatives.

I wonder how many people have revisited mybarackobama.com(organizing for america) since the election. There are links for events regarding health care and where to meet up and organize. There is also a website managed by the Dept. of Health and Human Services that is devoted to health reform.
http://www.healthreform.gov/index.html

I'm tired of all the whining from people who won't get off their butts to work. It's not all up to the President.

We don't even have strong Democratic support. He can't do it alone.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:24 PM
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30. +1
nuff said
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:26 PM
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31. It's all Obama's fault..just look
at this thread to see how many knee jerk up on the wagon.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:31 PM
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33. It's pitiful
No one wants to help make the bread but everyone wants to eat it.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:23 AM
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91. I have lobbied my senators and representative.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 01:25 PM
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39. He'd better damn well VETO a plan that has no public option. Else: primary challenge. nt.
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marimour Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:30 PM
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62. LMAO (thanks for the laugh)
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 02:59 PM
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43. Exactly, and I am wondering why..
he is not leading a protest of some sort, on some of these senators while they are on vacation, target some of these insurance companies,pharmaceuticals etc...
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:01 PM
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20. I Like Big Ed K & R
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:03 PM
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21. What is he going to do , take his ball and go home?
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:03 PM
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22. I'll go even further ...
If there's no public option I won't support ANY Democrat in the next election !

The Right Wing has kept their little soldiers in line with the single issue
items of Abortion, Which after eight years, Still exist. Gun Control which is
pretty much the same as before Bush came into office and Gay's which has actually made gains. In other words, They Did Nothing for their constituents.
But election after election it's, Gun's, Gay's, Abortion ....

And they will fall for it like the idiots that they are.

The Democratic Party will not hold my vote with the promise of Next Time !
They must show some daylight between the Rethugs and themselves on this.

The Time is NOW, Put up or forever shut the fuck up !
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:25 PM
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68. That seems like baby with the bath water
I will not vote for someone who disagrees with everything I find important just because they are the right party, not will I refuse to vote for someone who agrees with what I find important just because others in their party are bought and paid for.

I can say with certainty that I will not vote for any democrat that fights against a public option. There are some that I will go out of my way to find money to set aside so that I can donate to their opponents. But I will not penalize those who try and fail, only those who fail by not trying.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:41 PM
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125. will you also pledge to delete your DU account and never return?
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:13 PM
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24. Gee, another one hit wonder. n/t
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:13 PM
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25. I'm standing with Ed.
If you are smart, you will too,
AND let your Senators and Reps KNOW about your decision.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:23 PM
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28. Did you hear this last caller who pays $9K with a $6K deductible for a Health Savings Account?
This is Newt Gingrich and Dick Armey's baby. John McCain touted these Health Savings accounts in his campaign--altho was offering only a $5K credit for a family to buy this kind of insurance coverage.

I expect this is a great deal for the insurance companies who sell this crap, but obviously unworkable for families. The man said they could not afford to go to the doctor. This is unacceptable.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:24 PM
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29. What if Congress passes legislation with no public option?
There's only so much he can do with Congress because it is a separate branch of government. President Obama can try to do some arm twisting and convincing, but at the end of the day Congress can do whatever it damn well pleases.

We don't live in a dictatorship. As much as some folks want Obama to be a dictator, it's just not possible.

Sorry.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:29 PM
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32. He can veto it if there is no public option
If he doesn't we'll get handed a song and dance about how now we have "reform" and will have to give it time to work and it will be years before we get another shot at actually getting all Americans access to health care.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:44 PM
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35. True
But a veto won't guarantee a public option. All I'm saying is that it won't be easy to get a public option and Congress may not want to play ball. So laying all the blame at the feet of Obama doesn't make a lot of sense if you ask me.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:59 PM
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38. At least he'll have tried
if it passes with no public option and Obama signs it then he is as much to blame as Congress. I doubt if there'd be the votes to override a veto.

Lyndon Johnson, either as President or Senate Majority Leader, would have kept the Democrats in Congress in line on this. Obama needs to stop trying to make nice with Republicans (at our expense) and make it clear to members of his own party what he and the public expects from them.

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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:29 PM
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70. Veto
Simple, easy, done, and it throws the issue back in their lap and allows him to keep the spirit of why we elected him. Hell, its downright bipartisan, given that most R's are going to be against anything that comes out no matter how much it caters to them.

If they override him, we know its not his fault, and we can reflect that in who we chose to reelect. But if he accepts a inadequate or even a detrimental bill, then we can also reflect that in who we choose to reelect.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 12:31 PM
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34. K&R. Same for my congresscritters. nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 02:55 PM
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41. Good, he can campaign for Palin. Or Romney. Or Jeb Bush.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 02:55 PM
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42. Or another Democrat that does support it (nt)
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 04:46 PM
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58. or a third party or
anyone else he damn well pleases.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:47 PM
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65. True. Just like you probably did in 2000. And thanks for George Bush!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:22 PM
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81. wow - how presumptuous!
oh, and I don't remember being on the Supreme Court either.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:53 PM
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83. You can thank the U.S. Supreme W. Court for appointing junior..
They stopped the fucking vote count. We were supposed to take to the streets to overthrow the coup, but we're a bunch of fucking wimps. :banghead:
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Chef Eric Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:32 AM
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112. Sure, it's only the Nader-voters who are to blame.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 10:33 AM by Chef Eric
It's not like Al Gore bears any responsibility for driving away the left by choosing Lieberman as a running mate.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:46 PM
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63. No other Dem is going to challenge the president. You and Ed
can just sit home and pout.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:46 PM
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64. Dupe
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 05:47 PM by Phx_Dem
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:43 PM
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126. who then? Hillary didnt support public option.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:01 PM
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44. Maybe if every voter called their congress person and said the same
we just might get something palatable.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:32 PM
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48. Not the time to blame Obama yet.
He can send legislation back to Congress to make them do it right before he signs it into law. This will be a test of his leadership.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:35 PM
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50. I don't think that's fair. Just yesterday Ed praised Obama for explaining so well why a public
option is the right way to go. Obama can't help it if Congress won't give him what he wants.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 03:47 PM
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52. W got almost everthing he asked for...
:shrug:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:15 PM
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60. That's because the Repubs. fell in line.
:shrug:
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:50 PM
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75. But Democrats don't march in lockstep!
And while that characteristic is celebrated here, some will bemoan the lack of Democratic congressional support that the President receives if he doesn't get a decent bill to sign.

:crazy:
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 10:04 PM
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78. +1 If DINOs in Congress let Obama and us down, I'll be blaming them. nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:10 AM
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107. Thank you. It's THEIR fault and Obama is not a king. n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 04:17 PM
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54. Good for Ed.
His own health insurance rates went up, so he's willing to make a stink about this issue.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 04:21 PM
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55. Ah, sweet Jesu on a bicycle...
why don't people get to work on these deadbeat Senators who are trying to kill the legislation. Get the freaking thing passed first and if the man refuses to sign it then withdraw your support. For God's sake, did any of you ever take civics class?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:17 PM
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61. +1000. n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:53 PM
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76. +1 - or watch "Schoolhouse Rock", at least
"I'm just a bill, a lonely old bill, sittin' here on Capitol Hill..."

I knew how bill became a law when I was pretty damned young.

:rofl:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 04:28 PM
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56. Well, he's RICH... So a repub in office is actually better for his
wallet. Those of you making under 500k should probably think a little harder about it though.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 04:34 PM
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57. If there is no public option......we (& the US Treasury) will all go bankrupt.....and our party will



......be thrown out by the people.


Passing a bill with no public option is one of the few things worse than not passing anything at all.





K&R



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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:33 PM
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71. +1001
sorry, had to up the immaturity level. But you are absolutely correct. If there is one thing that could bring the R's back to power sooner, it would be passing a Mandate to force people to buy inadequate overpriced insurance.
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:47 PM
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74. "passing a Mandate to force people to buy inadequate overpriced insurance" -the1 thing to save GOP..


You have phrased it better than I.





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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:28 PM
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82. Even without the mandate if they don't deliver public option they're done
Most of the country wants public option and knows someone if they're not personally dying from lack of good insurance.

Deliver a public option or stay home.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:32 PM
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122. +1002
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 05:00 PM
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59. If the Democrats can't force through some kind of public option with 59 fucking seats, I'm done with
them.

And no, that doesn't mean voting for a Republican, it means voting third party and for certain Democrats with spines.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:26 PM
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69. President Palin would thank him (nt)
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:08 AM
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105. Keep laughing, funnyboy!
See what happens.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 09:35 PM
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72. Me neither...I've used up all my leeway and excuses for him...
Edited on Wed Jun-24-09 09:40 PM by TankLV
chances are very good I stay HOME this time around...
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:14 PM
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79. Of couse Ed Schultz - whoever the hell he is - can run for President himself.
I really get tired of people announcing that they won't support "so and so" if "so and so" doesn't do what I demand.

I have zero respect for Ralph Nader, but Nader proves that any asshole who is inflexibly tied to his own moral superiority can run for President all by himself, and then notice that people don't give a rat's ass what he thinks.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:38 AM
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93. Ed Schultz is a wonderful progressive talk radio host who also appears on MSNBC on his show
and frankly, there's a reason why this is one of the most viewed threads with thousands of hits already, it's because the absence of a public option will cause millions of us to not actively support with donations the re-election of President Obama. This is the #1 or 2 issue that America faces - if you have anyone in your family right now suffering a grave illness you learn to understand how mega-important this is, and Mr Obama has to push for a public option if he wants an easy re-election. There's nothing wrong with you expressing your views, same as me, or Ed. President O is a great guy, but he's not going to get a lot of support from people who actively worked on his behalf in 08 if he caves on this issue.

He needs to know this is how strongly we feel, and I hope he listens!
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peony Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-24-09 11:20 PM
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80. Public option needs to include the following
(1) must be national, not Kent Conrad's phony appeasement plan for regional co-ops
(2) Ready on day one - no triggers
(3) must be accountable to Congress and the voters.

FDL action: whip count tool here:
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/publicoption
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farmboxer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:17 AM
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86. I doubt if I will bother to vote next election if Obama keeps betraying
"We the People". He needs to stand up for those of us who supported him. Did he sell out? He seem to be afraid of the Republicans. Republicans did not vote Obama into office, "We the people" did. Republican hate the people and so love the damned corporations.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:05 AM
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97. Unfortunately, Democrats have been staying home for decades . . .
quite well understanding the BRIBERY of our elected officials and the limited

choices we are given in candidates.

Didn't help much --

We have to strengthen third parties and get IRV voting --

Needless to say, we need lawsuits vs campaign finance BRIBERY.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:19 AM
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88. K & R
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:42 AM
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94. ya say ya want a revolution
well...
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:38 AM
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117. Won't Happen, People TOO Apathetic AND Even MOST Here At DU
have told me for YEARS & YEARS... REVOLT doesn't work!!

But let me know when the REVOLUTION STARTS, I'm ready, but NOT holding my breath!!!

I've tried the writing, phoning, signing petitions, contacting agencies... still a BIG ZERO!! Rarely ever an answer, and if I get one it's the usual "bounce back" reply!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:52 AM
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95. Actually, good to hear some logic and common sense . . .
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 12:55 AM by defendandprotect

Randi Rhodes began to talk about this while she was still with Nova.

This was before the election -- perhaps even before Obama was the official candidate.

But, what she was saying was that after we moved Democrats in again -- and settled the

most urgent things -- that what we had to do was begin to strengthen third parties and

get IRV voting. Without that there is no threat to Democrats who know we're not going to

the right. There's no leverage on them from the left.

Anyway, this is what makes me very nervous for Randi -- and I've been very concerned that

there will be a new attack on her -- and/or on the stations supporting her.

Keeping my fingers crossed -- and, of course, I agree with her on what has to be done.

Finally, BRIBERY is illegal -- and without doubt the elite/corporate money is bribery.

It's not only illegal -- it's Un-Constitutional!

Grounds for impeachment!!!


I'll be back to count how many "Bet he's sorry McCain's not president!" comments this draws!



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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:01 AM
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98. I agree with Ed, conditional however
I won't hold it against him if he uses his influence to try to pass a strong public action rather than listen to the Emmanuel Bros. that would prefer to privatize it all (medicare as well). I will be able to tell if his support of the people over the Zeke schemes if he vetoes a bogus bill and holds his parties feet to the fire.

It is up to him how we vote, Many Senators have proven who owns them and they have already lost my support.

I know that many say I have to vote Dem even against my own interest because the option is worse, I think that the reason the opposition has more influence that Democrats within the Democratic party is because they use that like a threat and a dare. If they learn we can not be taken for granted then they will learn to please US if they would like to get elected rather than pleasing the Republicans using some bullshit appeasement centrists approach.
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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 06:31 AM
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100. K and R. I think there will be something called a 'public option'--but
unfortunately-- for all,--the insurance industry will be in charge. I am glad to see Ed on fire about this.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:49 AM
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101. Damn it dems, grow a pair and do what's right!
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 07:52 AM by workinclasszero
There better be a public option or there will be hell to pay for the President and his party IMHO.

Did Ray-gun and Bush give unions a break? Did the rethuglican party give the middle class a break when they controlled DC?

Oh HELL NAW! So now we are supposed to let up on these thieves that let people die and or go bankrupt to make a profit??? BULLF**KIN S**T!!!

We elected President Obama and a dem controlled Congress to correct the abuses of the thug party, one of the worse being the horror that is health care in America!

If this President and this Congress lay down and spread their legs yet again for the big insurance companies that have been raping the public for years, all bets are off!


WHY IS THIS EVEN A POSSIBILITY???

I can see the effects of millions of dollars of insurance company blood money already taking effect on Congress! Please Mr President fight for the PEOPLE!

Please God once in my life I'd like to see politicians in Washington DC do something that benefits the working class people of this country! Just once before I die!

Is that too much to ask for in this capitalist pig heaven we are all struggling to survive in??
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 07:59 AM
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102. I'm with Ed.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:04 AM
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103. This is a stupid statement. Especially when you consider Obama is the ONLY one out there making
the case for the Public Option.

You don't see ANY Democrats out there fighting for it. Obama has been very clear this needs to be in there. Outside of Dean no one is out there fighting for it. Where are the Senators? Its laughable to blame Obama. Democrats have left him out there hanging by the balls for it.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 08:06 AM
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104. If the dems betray their voters and block the public option, I will NOT vote for them
ANY of them.

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:06 AM
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106. I'm with him.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:15 AM
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108. But if he *gets* the public option, all faux pas are FORGIVEN and then some
seriously. if we get a real single payer public option (and if you ask my opinion, it oughta be that you have to opt for a private option, but whatevs) there will be no wrong he could do.

seriously.

NOTHING would stop him from re-election.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:21 AM
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110. On The Ed Show yesterday, he didn't repeat that threat. He said Obama WANTS a public option but
Dems. in congress don't seem to be cooperating, and if he doesn't get it in the bill, Obama will be a one-term president.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:24 AM
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111. This is true, and he has also said that every ill will be forgiven if he gets it done.
If Obama gets this done (and make no mistake, the busk stops with Obama whether we want it to or not) He will skate, no, even SAIL into re-election.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:33 AM
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114. Yup, and according to his guest who just met with Obama, (Gov. Jim Doyle (WI)),
Obama is VERY committed to having a public option and HE thinks Obama would "move forward" and "withhold bipartisanship" like they did with the stimulus.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:37 AM
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116. I'm with Ed. Without it, I'd have to support a different Dem in the Primary.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:58 AM
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118. There may not BE a primary opponent. n/t
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:01 AM
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119. Exactly. The only other option is to vote third party or not vote at all.
Which is likely if he doesn't take a firm stand on a public option.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:16 AM
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120. He IS taking a firm stand on a public option. Ed was impressed with Obama's defense/explanation
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 11:16 AM by jenmito
of it at his press conference. He also did a great job defending it last night at his televised town hall.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:22 AM
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121. We must have a public option
Too many American's are being ripped off by the politicians and the profit machines. The health care system spends $ 1.4 Million per day lobbying Congress, that sure could go a long way to help so many folks who need health care. I know exactly what the outcome is of the status quo. http://www.wisecountyissues.com/?p=62 It's called quality health care in Tennessee and Virginia.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:59 PM
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128. Here's what I think is a fair take
I realize what Obama is dealing with, and that he's trying an approach that he believes is pragmatic. I'm just asking for leadership on one thing, and that he threatens to veto if the bill comes to him without a public option. Single payer was already given up so there can be compromise. I will support Obama over the Republican, but if we don't get real health care reform, I'm wondering how much change in the status quo there will eventually be.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 04:17 PM
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129. The Republicans in Congress want a crappy plan to hit the President's desk. Then he'll have
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 04:17 PM by 4lbs
just two options, both of which are unsavory:

1.) Sign the "crappy plan", which doesn't do anything.

Then the Democrats in the base will holler that it was pure crap and nothing really happened.

The Republicans win.


2.) Veto the bill and send it back to Congress for either possible override (very unlikely) or delay healthcare reform for another year.

Then the Democrats in the base will holler that the President failed to keep his promise of healthcare reform.

The Republicans win.



It's up the the Democrats in Congress to make sure that the President does not get such a crappy bill.
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