I love how Kim Jong Il is just BEGGING to get punched in the mouth by Obama

[PretzelWarrior]

fine, you crazy frizzy haired little psychopathic tyrant. We will have no problem obliging. Stupid fuck. You have an opportunity to work with the U.S. with a new administration and you're blowing.

Fine. Fuck you very much. Let's get rid of you and start feeding your people you starve to death you piece of shit.*


*Note: I often engage in nice little first person conversations with people who can't hear me.

[AndyA]

1. That little guy in North Korea sure seems to be begging for something to happen.

And I predict if/when it does, it will result in the immediate termination of North Korea as we know it today. :(

[AllentownJake]

2. With what fucking Army, Airforce, and Navy?

The ones that are bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq thanks to the Bush Administration?

We have one option with N.Korea. Nukes. After that, we really can't do too much.

The correct headline is Kim is begging China to kick his ass.

[PretzelWarrior]

4. Army may be stretched. But you severely underestimate the remaining power of air force and navy

not to mention the many thousands of troops stationed at the DMZ along N. Korea/S. Korea border.

Yeah, China better get their asses in gear before we have to. If China says anything we'll just tell them A)we're not buying any more of their crap so they're all out of work and B)we're not paying the debt until they straighten up and clean up their own back yard.

Yes, I'm kind of over the top, but at the same time there are many leverage points that NEED to be pushed NOW while this mother fucker is still in the escalation phase of trying to make each outrage worse than the last.

[Captain Hilts]

7. GWB cut the USN by 60,000 people between '03 and '09. But they can still do the job. nt

[Zynx]

12. Our navy is massive. Even after those cuts it could easily take out the rest of the world's

navies in a day.

[Captain Hilts]

13. Smallest # of hulls since before the First World War. nt

[Thothmes]

76. But every hull that is USS

is a warship. No oilers, ammunition ships, tug boats, or garbage scows. If you take the number of hulls in the navy before WWI and count the actual combat ships the numbers to day are similiar.

[AllentownJake]

17. A naval battle and an invasion force

against a nation who has been preparing for us to invade for 50 years are entirely two different things.

[AllentownJake]

14. Hint for you Genius

North Korea is not Iraq, it is not Afghanistan.

These fuckers have been preparing and fantasizing for a US invasion since a ceasefire was declared in the 1950s.

Within minutes of us firing one missile, North Korea will have leveled every city in South Korea with short range missiles and Artillery.

[PretzelWarrior]

18. that's why we've been game planning every day too and wouldn't invade

we'd just take out their shit and tell them to take a hike into the sea.

[AllentownJake]

20. Their shit is probably the best hidden in the world

Like I said this is not Iraq or Afghanistan where we have a previous relationship with the country so we have a few spies.

Of all the nations in the world, we have the least amount of intelligence on N.Korea.

[Butch350]

69. Wanna kiss little kim's behind while you put him on a platform?

[AllentownJake]

21. and another thing

Our war planning involves the slaughter by the N.Koreans of every US Service man serving on the 38th.

I had a friend who served there 20 years ago. They were essentially told if the North ever invades fight as hard as you can than kill yourself.

[PretzelWarrior]

23. yeah. those were their marching orders. Fight and then kill yourself. lol.

you crack me up. Listen, N. Korea is severely limited over the years with the trade embargoes and the absolute lack of discipline, strategy, and foresight of thise crazy mother fucker. His dad was brilliant and a tyrant. This guy's just crazy and a tyrant.

[AllentownJake]

25. They showed them pictures of what the North did to US Service Men

the last time and they told them that if war broke out 100,000 N.Koreans will be coming across the border.

If you can't escape south, fight as long as you can and save a bullet for yourself because being captured will result in brutal torture and death.

[Harry Monroe]

66. I recall the US/S. Korean troops serving on the 38th parallel and the DMZ

being referred to as "speed bumps".

[endarkenment]

27. that is why our force there is referred to as the speed bump.

and it's swift demise triggers a nuclear event, which you appear to be drooling over your pretzels in anticipation of.

[AllentownJake]

29. Exactly

The combined forces of the US and South Korea are not prepared to repel an invasion force on the 38th.

Its also why we refuse to pass the landmine ban. Our reason no matter which President is in charge and how liberal they are is always N.Korea.

[ChickenHawk]

75. I'd like to believe that but....

they're calling back reserve Marines and they're being informed it's because of North Korea (Brother-in-law's buddy got the call last week, he was in the same unit as my brother-in-law.). Every brain cell I have tells me that we wouldn't invade, but damn, I'm still worried about it.

[JVS]

53. PUT A BOOT IN THEIR ASS!!!! IT'S THE AMURKIN WAY!!!!

[chicago legal pro]

78. You overestimate the power of the navy and air force

North Korea has a million troops within one hour of the DMZ and the U.S. has 35,000. The air force could do little to stop that.

[Zynx]

10. Our airforce is not overburdened and neither is our navy.

[Captain Hilts]

15. Yes, the Navy is. nt

[TheWraith]

56. Really, we can kick them in the stomach without firing a shot.

All we need to do is say we're not going to resume bribing them to not have a nuclear program. You can't eat uranium.

[kiranon]

68. Agree. I heard that China broke diplomatic relations with N. Korea over this.

China is the answer to the N. Korea problem.

[Hawkowl]

71. Bingo!

China has ALWAYS been the answer to the N. Korea problem. If China hadn't gotten involved in the 50's, there would be no N. Korea. MacArthur just about had them wrapped up when he got to close the Chinese border and.....

China has been subsidizing N. Korea to prevent starvation of the masses and to stem the illegal immigration of N. Koreans to China. If N. Korea starts, technically resumes, the war, then it is imperative to bring China in on the US side. Seeing as we owe them a lot of money, if they want it back, it shouldn't be that difficult to get them to see things from the US perspective.

[Clio the Leo]

3. Hand over that water slide boy!!

Nah .... I tend to agree with Jake ... we're a BIT busy at the moment to engage ONE more nation .... I just wanted to say "HAND OVER THE WATER SLIDE!!!"

The girls NEED it! :)

[hlthe2b]

5. What incredible naivete'

Yes...he's 'begging.' But our options hardly reflect the rosey picture your hyperbole would suggest.

[PretzelWarrior]

9. that may be. but sometimes you gotta go "crazy Ivan" on a dude like Kimpossible.

[AllentownJake]

19. Kim has us where he wants us.

Thank Bush.

Another hint. So does Iran.

[PretzelWarrior]

26. no. when oil was over $200 a barrel Iran had us. Now, not so much.

you're sure pessimistic today.

[AllentownJake]

28. Iran can invade Iraq at anytime they want to

Our forces are spread through out the country, by the time that we could respond we would be pushed into Saudi Arabia.

They don't need to though, they got peeps in the Iraqi government.

[PretzelWarrior]

30. it would be stupid of them to do so,

and they know it. suddenly, everyone in the region is sending troops to squash the Persians.

[AllentownJake]

32. The only well trained troops in that region

Are fucking Persian or Israeli.

The region has to choose between Israel and the Persians...well if you can't figure out who they side with,

[PretzelWarrior]

34. I mean everyone. they are all tired of the Shias raising their heads

so they would gladly provide whatever they could provide monetarily and the Europeans might even help with troops if the new issue was repelling an Iranian invasion force.

[AllentownJake]

35. I want whatever the fuck your smoking

No country in Europe wants an armed conflict with anyone. The only country in the middle east with any military capabilities are Israel and to a lesser extent Egypt.

Israel involved in any armed conflict enrages the Arab world. Shia Sunni doesn't matter.

[JVS]

59. that's crazy talk

[JVS]

58. Why would they want to? I could see them wanting Shatt Al Arab, but the country is a mess

[Captain Hilts]

6. Yes. And Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and the Philippines will help us out. nt

[hlthe2b]

8. ????????

[endarkenment]

11. Kim is likely not actually in charge anymore.

And North Korea has played this game with every new administration. It is a good game, and they are very good at it. They usually win. By the way, 'let's get rid of you' would very likely include the slaughter of millions of Koreans on both sides of the border.

[PretzelWarrior]

16. nah. you decapitate the regime and send them into chaos

most of the N. Koreans are just desperate to get out of this long slow starvation they've been enduring for decades.

What you describe is only the absolute worst case scenario and not a probable one.

Kim is still in power, but the sharp rhetoric and militaristic, belligerent actions do seem to fit with power plays among the hard liners regarding succession.

[AllentownJake]

22. We'll be greeted as liberators!

Where have I heard that line before?

[Phoonzang]

38. Except in this case I think it'll probably be true.

I can't see N. Koreans blowing themselves up to defend Kim's regime and prevent unification with S. Korea. Not that I'm advocating attacking that country....

[AllentownJake]

39. You forget that these people have been fed 50 years of propaganda

That the imperialist capitalist Americans are coming to rape the women and eat the children, and after their done raping the women, eating the women too. You might say this is extreme but this is pretty much what they are told on a daily basis from childhood.

If you think that nobody believes that type of propaganda, what was it 30 years after WWII till the last Japanese soldier decided to surrender?

They have no outside source of information. Everything is totally controlled. This is what they are taught from the time they are Children and since it has been over 50 years since the last Westerners were in the country without state security escorting them, I can only imagine what the people believe.

and hell if that doesn't make them believe it, just show them some real pictures from Abu Gharib.

[Phoonzang]

40. True, but I think the difference between them and the

Imperial Japanese is that North Koreans are living in absolute poverty and squalor. Information may be very tightly controlled but I think they do have some idea of what life is like on the "outside", in South Korea and China. That's why there's tens of thousands of refugees and defectors and well established "escape routes." I'd compare it more to an Iron Curtain situation.

Ultimately, no one really knows how the people would react to an American occupation (more likely a South Korean occupation), but hope we don't have to find out.

[AllentownJake]

41. You understand how North Korean Society is set up

The military is not living in abject poverty. They don't have American style lifestyles but they certainly don't live in abject poverty.

The people who would be shooting at an American occupying force aren't going to be the farmers. In Iraq the people building IEDs and training suicide bombers weren't simple farmers either.

[RaleighNCDUer]

45. But do they KNOW they are living in poverty?

They are being told they are the luckiest, happiest people on earth, and have NO basis for comparison. They can only assume that S Korea is much worse off than they are. They get no TV, no radio, no foreign news that doesn't come from the government - so HOW do they 'have some idea of what life is like on the outside'?

[ieoeja]

54. I recall interviews with Russians following the Soviet breakup.

They all attributed the breakup to Detante. Prior to Nixon lowering the Iron Curtain -- Churchill's invention; not theirs -- the people largely believed that as bad as their lives were, the lives in capitalist countries must be truly horrendous. When they learned better, support for Communism began to crumble. The only reason it held out as long as it did was the twin rally 'round the flag response to the war in Afghanistan and the saber rattling of Ronald Reagan.

[Captain Hilts]

61. True. nt

[JVS]

72. There are about 40 countries poorer than N Korea, and things could be worse there.

Haiti is poorer and we don't assume that we would be welcome as liberators if we invaded them.

[Captain Hilts]

60. It'd be true this go 'round. nt

[endarkenment]

24. gosh I've heard that exact same bullshit before, just can't place it

...wait oh yeah, I know -

[invictus]

31. America cannot afford another war.

nt

[PretzelWarrior]

33. technically, neither side surrendered or called it off. so haven't we been at war the whole time?

all I know is....a few precisely placed missiles will seriously set back Kim's ability to do much militarily.

warnings to the N. Koreans that they will be annhilated by our missiles and bombs might cause them to rethink sending missiles and troops into S. Korea.

Then we say "oh, btw, here's a bunch of wheat and rice for your people, now STFU and stay in your room."

[marshall]

36. Let's hope Obama isn't a trigger happy as Bush

This isn't that different from the saber rattling that Saddam Hussein engaged in. The nuts were sure that Hussein was about to unleash his "weapons of mass destruction"--and then it turned out to be smoke and mirrors on the part of a petty littlel dictator (take your pick). North Korea is not in a position to do anything but spit into the ocean.

[AllentownJake]

37. Who the hell recommended this?

[harun]

73. TS em. This is straight from Fox News bullsh*t propaganda.

[Honeycombe8]

42. If we fight N. Korea, I sure as hell hope it's BEFORE it gets nuclear weapons.

So far, looks like the U.S. is waiting for China and Japan to step up to the plate and deal with it, since they are more in danger than the U.S., being in the neighborhood and all.

N. Korea was warned about years ago, before we went into Iraq. An "expert" I saw on Charlie Rose in the lead-up to the Iraq War was saying that Iran and N. Korea were more dangerous than Iraq. Smart guy, huh?

I forget the guy's name. He's famous. Some sort of professor who has written books, etc. Jewish name, maybe. It'll come to me later. (I'd blame my bad memory on my age, but I'm afraid I've always been this way!)

[AllentownJake]

43. ahem

They have Nuclear Weapons. They just tested one.

They don't have the delivery system to hit a US territory yet, but they could probably hit Japan.

[Honeycombe8]

44. Oh, I didn't understand that that was a nuclear bomb. Well....

I sure as hell hope we can avoid a war with them, then.

[JVS]

63. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is precisely why they made the nukes and are giving a shout of ...

"fuck you" to everyone in sight so that their having nukes is properly registered.

[SKKY]

46. I'VE GOT DIBS ON HIS PORN COLLECTION!!!!!!

:hide:

[Araxen]

47. We are powerless to do anything

We have two wars going on and NK has a ton of missiles pointed at Seoul. We can't shoot all of them down. They'll get away with what they are doing till China puts their foot down.

[AllentownJake]

51. Shh

Some people still think its 2001 and we have military, economic, and world credibility left.

Don't fuck with their delusions.

[Butch350]

70. And just exactly why would NK want to fight a war?

See what happened in Japan to end the conflict (WAR).

[cliffordu]

48. Uh, me too...

[Enrique]

49. yeah and fuck the Ayatollah too!

[OneGrassRoot]

50. ...

While the subject matter is serious, I have to say you cracked me right the fuck up.

Please continue to share your rants. I'm listening...I look forward to them.

:evilgrin:

[JVS]

52. Jingoism much?

No new wars. At least not until we're out of the other two.

[Orsino]

62. Yeehaw!!!1!

GO USA!!!!1!

Or something. :shrug:

[yodermon]

55. EXCUSE THE ever living fuck out of me, but i have in-laws in Seoul

and massive numbers of N korean conventional weapons are aimed directly at them. The crazy frizzy haired little psychopathic tyrant (or whomever is actually in charge over there today) will *absolutely* launch these weapons if Obama "punches him in the mouth".

Please do not use my family as pawns in your dick-length contest.

I'm very glad it's Obama who's in charge and not you.

[Forkboy]

57. I suspect this kind of reaction is one of the things he wants

Getting pissed and attacking countries hasn't exactly worked out to well lately. It won't here, either.

[Better Believe It]

64. He's a nut but going to war with North Korea on some macho excuse would be insane

The United States can't fight and win a war in Korea without a draft and huge and quick military buildup in troops and weapons that would cost a few trillion dollars in additional war appropriations within just a few years.

Hey .... that just might jumpstart the economy!

Only problem is tens of thousands of U.S. troops would die, hundreds of thousands of Koreans would die and a few nukes might be used to destroy Seoul and U.S./South Korean forces along the DMZ.

Can the Obama administration pursue and win wars in four nations at the same time?

No.

But thanks for the very patriotic rah, rah our dick is bigger, we're number one post.

[tigereye]

65. he had a stroke - I'm not sure he's even in charge at this point...

[rvablue]

67. The Russians and the Chinese have to take the lead role in dealing with N. Korea. n/t

[Cha]

74. Righteous Rant..very

cathartic! I often do the same..grr.

[Fire1]

77. "Fuck you very much"???? ROFL!!! I got to use that one!

:rofl:

[terrific]

79. Obama won't take more of Kim's antics.

Man, N. Korea is way more dangerous than Iraq under Saddam. Time to sic Godzilla on Kimmy.

[ShortnFiery]

80. Too bad there's no OIL in North Korea, then the MI Complex would let Obama bomb THEM.

:silly:

[ecstatic]

81. Uggh... can we go back to isolationism? nt

[BlooInBloo]

82. Kristol? Is that you?