Obama's "Stealth Green Revolution"

[BlooInBloo]

We soooooo chose the right person for the job.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/05/the_stealth_green_revolution.php

"Like so much else, Obama's energy plan has been overshadowed by the financial crisis. That has affected the sales pitch-though not the substance-of what he's attempting to do. Obama's plan can be thought of as having three major components: the federal energy incentives, the energy bill that Congress will tackle this summer, and the carbon cap-and-trade system featured in his budget and in legislation recently introduced by House Energy & Commerce Chairman Henry Waxman.

Obama cannily used the stimulus to push through the first part of his plan. Though it was sold as a "jobs" package to goose the economy, it was also a massive down payment on his energy agenda, since it included $38 billion in grants and $127 billion in loan guarantees to support "clean" technology. With all the billions and trillions Washington is allotting to this or that ailing bank or insurance company these days, it's important to have some perspective on how big a figure $38 billion really is when you're talking about energy. According to a recent study by the consulting firm Management Information Services, between 1950 and 2006, the government disbursed about $725 billion in federal energy incentives, mostly to oil, coal and gas. Renewables like wind and solar received only $45 billion. Give or take a few billion, Obama had matched that by Day 29 of his administration."

[Odin2005]

1. A Green New Deal! Awesome!!!

I Love this guy!!! :woohoo:

[NYC_SKP]

2. Shhhhhhhh!!!

It's supposed to be "stealthy"!

You know what? I was disappointed two weeks ago when I attended a public meeting in SF with Ken Salazar and Barbara Boxer.

I love Boxer, but she and others on the panel, (all but Oregon's governor) dodged Salazar's simple and direct question:

"Do you support the development offshore of renewable energy technologies?"

Congress has to get off of their asses on energy and learn a few things about carbon dioxide and coal.

:patriot:

[BlooInBloo]

3. OOPS! (doh!)

[babylonsister]

7. Salazar said that and Boxer didn't answer? Really? nt

[NYC_SKP]

8. Yeah. Here are some notes I took on my laptop...

Not like I'm a reporter, I was multitasking with my laptop and took some notes.

start of snippet.

Ken Salazar and Barbara Boxer, Oregon Governor Ted Kulongoski. I do like Salazar’s white hat. I guess he’s a good guy. Not surprisingly, there are a few concerned citizens present, some in polar bear suits and others with just polar bear caps. I feel badly for the polar bears who gave their all so that these people could dress up like them. It just seems wrong.

I don’t think I have to tell you how the opinions here run; you got a few willing to drill a little, you got the greater number, like Ted, willing to develop renewables offshore, Barbara seems to be more concerned with preventing drilling, may be against renewables but I cannot tell yet, and then the crowd who don’t want to do anything at all off shore.

I’m listening to Lynn Woolsey and I’m hearing the same thing, “we must not drill offshore and we need to develop renewables instead”, but nothing yet on the specific question of renewables offshore. In fact, Salazar asked the panel specifically about renewable development offshore and she dodged the question. Ted was willing to address it directly and has an open mind, wants to move forward on wave energy. Lynn Woolsey says, OK, sure but only if properly sited. East Bay Congresswoman Barbara Lee is talking about green jobs, dodging the offshore renewables question. Jackie Speier was challenged by Salazar to specifically answer about offshore wind and she finally said yes, if it can be guaranteed not to harm wildlife and could be aesthetically acceptable. Good job!

end of snippet.

Disappointingly, Boxer was among those who responded to the simple question with lots of remarks about not wanting any petroleum drilling, which was not answering the question about renewables. She was asked first or second. Barbara Lee was last, I think, and the only one that Salazar asked the "followup question" (which was to ask the original question again).

:shrug:

[bananas]

12. I see that the video is online

The website is http://www.doi.gov/ocs/
with videos of all the hearings plus other information.
The SF video is at http://www.visualwebcaster.com/event.asp?id=57278
but for some reason it doesn't work for me in firefox.
It does work in IE.

[NYC_SKP]

14. Thanks, bananas.

I've been meaning to look for it.

Now I just have to get it to work, I deleted MS IE, may have to use another computer.

:toast:

[bananas]

15. Hmm, I got it to work in firefox

I right-mouse clicked to get the context menu,
then selected "This frame -> Show only this frame",
and it worked.

[NYC_SKP]

18. I replayed the part from the video posted in another reply below.

And yeah, it's like she didn't hear the question.

He asked specifically for a minute or two response to the future of RENEWABLES offshore.

She went right to drilling again, used an analogy of a teenager who, if you agree to let her go out one night a week in a high crime neighborhood, after a while she's going to want to go out seven nights a week.

:wtf:

[babylonsister]

4. Heh. Is this great or what?! I LOVE it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8384698

[BlooInBloo]

5. doh! Sorry.

[babylonsister]

6. I didn't mean to deter you. nt

[Hekate]

9. Teehee. We must be vewy vewy quiet when implementing Phase 1 of the Green Revolution...

:party: :fistbump: :toast:

Hekate

[liberalpragmatist]

10. But Obama is the same as Bush!!!

Thatz what I read on the internets!

[Cha]

17. Prez Obama is trying to go

about fixing all the damage bushco has done..that's as close as they get.

[depakid]

11. "Give or take a few billion, Obama had matched that by Day 29 of his administration."

Playing a lot of catch up- considering as of August 2007:



http://seekingalpha.com/article/43634-pemex-expects-oil-depletion-in-seven-years

Also, not too hard to figure out the primary motivation for Iraq- and why US involvement isn't likely to follow the timetables we might otherwise like.

[AtomicKitten]

13. K&R

:bounce:

[Posteritatis]

16. Niiiiiiiice (nt)

[Peacetrain]

19. I am loving this

yes!!!

[ClarkUSA]

20. Excellent. He's the right man in the right job at the right time.