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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 04:56 PM
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12 Democrats, including Dorgan, Tester and Specter, vote against mortgage bill
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 04:57 PM by ProSense
The 12?

Max Baucus (Mont.), Jon Tester (Mont.), Tom Carper (Del.), Michael Bennet (Colo.), Robert Byrd (W.Va.), Byron Dorgan (S.D.), Tim Johnson (S.D.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Ben Nelson, (Neb.), Mark Pryor (Ark.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and our newest Democrat, yes, Arlen Specter (Pa.).

Dick Durbin recently said:

I'll offer this Durbin amendment as I did last year. When I offered it last year, they said, "Not a big problem, only two million foreclosures coming up." They were wrong. It turned out to be eight million. And if the bankers prevail today, and we can't get something through conference committee to deal with this issue, I'll be back. I'm not going to quit on this <...> At some point, the Senators in this chamber will decide, the bankers shouldn't write the agenda in the United States Senate.

But the bankers have been writing it.

So what if two out of three Americans think the government should take action on foreclosures? So what if Senators think banks matter more than the average Sally and Sam? So what if the Senate will soon have those mythical 60 votes?

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Dorgan? Tester?



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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 04:59 PM
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1. Check their donations. These are the same ones in the pocket of Healthcare companies
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:00 PM
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2. the banks win again.and here they are gloating..always business ahead of decency
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/30/banks-beat-howeowners-for_n_193902.html#postComment

sad day for anyone who owns a home...the tidal wave will affect all of us...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:02 PM
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3. The Conservadems in action. 60 votes mean nothing.
If we keep voting for them, nothing will ever change.

The arrogance of the Conservadems

They are there to empower the Republicans.

Mr. Bayh, Mr. Carper and Ms. Lambert are all honorary leaders of Third Way, a progressive Democratic policy group. Mr. Bayh and Mr. Carper have also lead the centrist Democratic Leadership Council.

The new coalition includes six Democratic freshmen, Mark Begich of Alaska, Michael Bennet of Colorado, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Mark Udall of Colorado, and Mark Warner of Virginia. Other members of the group are Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Bill Nelson of Florida. Joseph I. Lieberman, the Connecticut independent, is also part of the group.

..."But Mr. Bayh in the MSNBC interview, warned that Mr. Reid would need the new groups help to get major legislation through the Senate. As you know, on most things, youve got to get the 60 votes in the Senate, he said. And thats going to be hard. And its going to take the centrists to get us there. And so we want to help make the changes we need. And thats thats what our group is all about.


They will keep right on selling out the average person in our party.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:05 PM
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4. Hey, Byron Dorgan is from NORTH Dakota.
;)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:06 PM
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5. People can see what Nader was talking about with this vote
on certain issues- there's not a dimes' worth of difference (which incidentally, is part and parcel to why the financial system melted down in the 1st place).

Heck of a job!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:09 PM
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6. Fuck Nader. n/t
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:17 PM
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8. Fuck the DLC and the BlueBalls
Its those useless pieces of shit that helped the Repukes destroy this country. Not Nader, who's more of a Democrat than Arlen Sphincter or Evan W. Bayh will ever be.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:27 PM
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10. Still, fuck Nader. n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:47 PM
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16. Dorgan, at least, is not a DLCer
I don't understand why he of all people voted against this. Unless he understood that his vote was meaningless, and a 'no' vote for him wouldn't matter.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 02:11 AM
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28. This is a surprise--he's pretty populist on stuff like outsourcing n/t
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:18 PM
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9. Hard to take the fact that the guy was right. eh?
He sure did call all the shots on financial, deregulatory asnd trade policies- whereas Democrats ended up on the side of FAIL just about every time.

And quite a few of them still are.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:28 PM
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12. Nader is an ass.
Not a single Democrat helped Bush into office in 2000. Fuck Nader.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:42 PM
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13. An emotional reaction rather than a rational response
Edited on Thu Apr-30-09 05:43 PM by depakid
And YES Tons of Democrats helped to put Bush in office via their behavior throughout the 1990's. Had Clinton and the DINO's not repeatedly pandered to the far right and sold us all out, Nader wouldn't have had a constituency in the 1st place.

The stand for nothing Dems lost the election in 2000 -Nader was just a symptom of a larger malady (and one that despite the re-alignment, show little evidence of waning in the Senate).

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:54 PM
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21. Nader is an ass.
He's irrelevant, useless, wrong, washed up.

Fuck him.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 06:03 AM
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31. And you you still keep it up,. despite the evidence
One thing for sure- it's a very American emotional reaction.

As said before, Nader is a symptom- not the malady that afflicts the nation- to this day.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:07 PM
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34. The answer isn't to say "Fuck Nader". The answer is to prove Nader wrong by not doing GOP stuff
Edited on Fri May-01-09 04:07 PM by Ken Burch
If we just carried out his program...or, at least, large parts of it.well, where would be the downside?



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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:45 PM
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15. Hey, the vast majority of Dems DID vote for the bill
It just wasn't enough, unfortunately. The Democrats are a center-left party.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:01 PM
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23. A vast majority of Democrats versus zero Republicans.
Only a fucking moron or a liar would claim there's no difference.
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namahage Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:53 PM
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33. Even if EVERY Democrat voted Yea on this (+Sanders, Lieberman and Specter)
It still would've failed.

3/5 was needed here to pass--not just a majority. And as long as there're only 59 on the D side there's no way this would've passed--and I suspect a few of these Conservadems knew it.

Only way this would've passed was if either of the two non-voting Dems decided to vote Yea AND every Democrat and Indie (which would also include Specter) voted en bloc (and that the sole non-voting Pub stayed that way).

Of course then the Repubs would have THEIR non-voting Senator vote Nay and the vote is then lost.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:47 PM
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35. Even here that is not true
The overwhelming majority of Democrats voted for it and the overwhelming majority of Republicans against it. Besides, Nader said that of Bush and Gore as well. (In 2004, he DID see a difference between Kerry and Bush and even respected Kerry- but he still ran.
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snowdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:10 PM
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7.  Durbin Smacks Senate for Influence of Banking Industry........Roll call vote........




Durbin Smacks Senate for Influence of Banking Industry



http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/30/cram-down-lost /

Banking lobby successfully defeats mortgage cram-down provision.


Today, a proposal to change bankruptcy law and allow bankruptcy judges to cram-down mortgage payments for troubled homeowners failed in the Senate by a vote of 45-51. The provision, which was introduced as an amendment by Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), required 60 votes to pass. In recent weeks, support for the measure evaporated in the face of furious lobbying by the banking and mortgage industries. Prior to the vote, Durbin -- who this week said that bankers "are still the most powerful lobby on Capitol Hill" -- took to the floor to decry the banking industry's influence in the cram-down debate:

At some point the senators in this chamber will decide the bankers shouldn't write the agenda for the United States Senate. At some point the people in this chamber will decide the people we represent are not the folks working in the big






http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00174#position


U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 111th Congress - 1st Session


as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate

Vote Summary

Question: On the Amendment (Durbin Amdt. No. 1014 )
Vote Number: 174 Vote Date: April 30, 2009, 02:47 PM

Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Amendment Rejected


Amendment Number: S.Amdt. 1014 to S. 896 (Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009)
Statement of Purpose: To prevent mortgage foreclosures and preserve home values.


Grouped By Vote Position

YEAs ---45


Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)


NAYs ---51




Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Tester (D-MT)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 3
Kennedy (D-MA)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sessions (R-AL)
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:28 PM
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11. the banks own congress..we give them money and they screw us...
wtf...what are we going to DO about it...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:42 PM
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14. Not surprised by Tester. He is pretty much a Democrat from MT,
a little more populist than Baucus, but that is really all. Dorgan, though, surprises me more, particularly considering that Conrad, who is more conservative than he is, voted for it.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:49 PM
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17. A populist would have voted for this bill
The fact that he didn't makes his complicity obvious. Another fake populist with his hand out to K-street.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 05:55 PM
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18. doesn't surprise me
they represent constituencies that want republican lite. it's either we have conservative democrats or we don't have representation in those states.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 07:15 PM
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19. I'm glad we got that Specter fellow!
:thumbsup:
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:48 PM
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20. These are the ahole wing of the Democratic Party. The biteme wing, of which I am chair
despises them.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 08:58 PM
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22. This blows. I'm happy that at least that Warner and Webb voted yes.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:20 AM
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26. warner, kennedy and a repub( cannot remember) didnt vote...nt
Edited on Fri May-01-09 01:21 AM by xiamiam
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:09 PM
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24. Hey, can you blame them? If they lose the bankers' campaign money, they lose the race.
If they lose the race, they have to become LOBBYISTS.

Now, there's a bummer for ya.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-30-09 10:28 PM
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25. I am really tired of Ben Nelson
Does he ever vote with us?
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:30 AM
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29. Not really
I analyzed two years worth of his voting, and he voted with the Dems only once on a major issue. Other than that, he rubber-stamped Bush the entire way...and he calls himself a MODERATE?!?!??!?
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 01:35 AM
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27. Bankers score again. n/t
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 04:54 AM
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30. Mikey Bennet
Edited on Fri May-01-09 04:55 AM by Froward69
was appointed from Colorado to replace Salazar. Salazar would have voted with this. bennet is a hack! I (honestly) Will make it my mission to see to it he does not get elected to a term of his own. I will campaign for a potato slug to defeat bennet. goddamn carpetbagger.
on edit make that a Democratic potato slug to defeat bennet.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-01-09 03:36 PM
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32. Specter -- "Oh, Jeez, I forgot! Force of habit ..." nt
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