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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:02 AM
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Obama haters: He is as good as it's going to get.
You better hope he succeeds.

Sarah Palin and her ilk are waiting.
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Puzzler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:10 AM
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1. Yeah... Obama's "bar" has been set to...
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:10 AM by Puzzler
... an astronomically high standard. And he's still beating it, much to the naysayers' chagrin.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:11 AM
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2. Yep.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:39 AM
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12. "he's still beating it"
How?
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:59 PM
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98. Well, to begin with ...........
Many economists said the economy would not show signs of turnaround until after the summer, but many economists now admit that it's already showing signs of turn around.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:48 PM
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104. Yes, credit Obama with a "jobless" recovery...
His supply-side economic team would be gloating at the praise...

It is too early to tell anything. His plan to fix the financial system hasn't even been implemented yet (and it sucks anyway). The country is still bleeding from staggering job losses. And now, magically, its supposed to be a good thing that a huge corporation like GM is going to declare bankruptcy.

Its a bit too early to determine there is any kind of start of a recovery, much less that its due to anything Obama has done. The only really positive thing is a rising stock market (probably rising in glee from the Geithner giveaway). After people start tossing their money in again, the fat cats will let the over-valued stock fall again and grab their gains (Im not about to fall for the stock market rising/economy is fixed gambit at this point).

Actually, in regards to the economy, you picked the wrong subject I think. Whatever Obama has done, I think it has vastly, utterly failed to meet sensible expectations. And what he has directly passed, "Obama's" budget--an abortion of bipartisanship--was an utter disaster in terms of Keynesian monetary policy.

Im glad he passed the stem cell funding. Im glad he represented the US well internationally. But....everyone expected that. I just don't see where he is exceeding where the bar was set. On the economic front, some of his administrations incoherent, inconsistent, panic-driven, supply-side inspired approaches are frankly disappointing.

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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:20 AM
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121. It's not a jobless recovery ...............
Unemployment numbers will continue to go up over the next quarter, but that is typical of a recession. It's just labor catching up to the economy.

My job laid off 6 workers last week. These were people who should have been laid off in January, but the company held out as long as they could.

Plans are already in place to hire those people back during the spring and also hire new people.

Markets, on the other hand, are twitchy. They tend to over react to news, but also remember that markets are not about the here and now, they're about the future. They're going to go up and down, but that's a sign of health. Markets that grow to fast, like the tech 90s, are just as unhealthy as markets that continually lose value. As long as they keep going up and down, then our future is healthy.

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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:48 PM
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105. Interesting how that bar moves
They're setting Obama's with a rocket, but they set Bush's with a shovel.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:11 AM
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3. I stay in that mindset. He's doing a great job. I refuse to tear
him down with BS.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:23 AM
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5. Yep.
I think the way he'll work is like this:

First term: the restoration

The economy(started)

Foreign relations/the wars (started)

Healthcare PLANNING AND SALES is next

That is pretty much going to take up his whole first term...

Second term, as I see it: Human rights

Health care instituted.

The most dangerous thing he will have to address: War crimes.

Full rights for GLBT people...

Drug policy overhaul - It'll take AT LEAST 4 years of soft sell to get a lot of the idiots in congress to cover thier asses on this - I will bet it will be medical marijuana first.

This is just something I've been kicking around...He always has a plan....he has to have a map someplace that covers these things...




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friedgreentomatoes Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:50 PM
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72. GLBTs have to wait...
That is obnoxious, for Obama to be supposedly planning and for you to be assuming that he is planning.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:35 PM
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89. That is similar to how I see it...
some hear think he is suppose to do everything in the first few months,but of course we still have the republiCONS on board here stirring up trouble and those who haven't gotten over Hillary's loss. He always has a plan and the Barack haters are always WRONG..
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:08 PM
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94. Giving the "Obama haters" meme more power is self defeating
Divide and conquer the DU community, right.

How does the op calling people here "obama haters" strengthen or empower our community? How does seeing trolls everywhere when there be few trolls here do anything but encourage paranoia? How does linking former Hillary supporters with republiCONS bring our community together?

The op is unnecessarily divisive and does nothing to promote progressive principles and is representative of some of the worst thoughts in our community.

And threatening anyone with Palin, well right back at the op writer. I can make the opposing arguments with the Palin threat and all it does it breed more hate.

If you are just venting, then alright, go in peace.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:40 AM
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45. Not all are tearing him down with BS.
Many are acknowledging what they agree with... and speak up over the things they disagree with him about. I'm sorry if you find that bothersome or having some need to equate that as BS.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:22 AM
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4. Yup. Recommended.
Much as I align myself with Democrats, generally, DU is proof that whenever you gather a large number of people, regardless of what they have in common.

It could be a large group of priests, or professors, or pirates or prostitutes.

There are going to be some you like a lot.

And there are going to be some assholes.

It's just the way it is.

:toast:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:25 AM
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6. I'm just happy to be
one of the assholes you really like...

:toast:

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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:36 AM
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10. The best kind!
:rofl:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:31 AM
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8. check your pm n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:28 AM
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7. He's better than it's ever been
These people would have been beating up Roosevelt too. Some things never change.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:35 AM
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9. There are no Obama haters here
There is too much divisiveness, let's stop slinging mud at each other and get to work.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:56 PM
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92. Absolutely agree. The op seeks to divide our community.
No offense to those who prefer more war, less justice, and theft from future generations. Oh and no offense to anyone who agrees with the President on all principles or disagrees on some but want to give him time. I am also of the give-him-time set but it can be taken to extremes.

I agree, calling people here "Obama haters" stirs up unnecessary division. If I didn't know any better I might guess people who use it here are trying to divide our community.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:09 PM
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95. lol....
Nice try, but kinda fail.

People who scream "Fuck Obama" and people who threaten to work to tear down he presidency seek to divide.


But that's OK. Keep on keepin' on.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:47 PM
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97. lol.....
Nice try but kinda fail as a counterpoint.

I think the things you said and the people who write "Fuck Obama" are both harmful to our community and seek to divide.

And it isn't OK, the words your op uses.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:37 AM
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11. "as good as it's going to get" -- FDRs leftist opponents thankfully didn't believe that
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:38 AM by Oregone
If this is as good as, practically and pragmatically speaking, as it is going to get, everyone should just give the fuck up now.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:41 AM
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13. OK, tough guy, who is waiting in the wings who is any better??
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:44 AM
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14. Soo.....this, is, it?
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:49 AM by Oregone
Obama? In the entire scope of the country's history, in the future, there will never be a president more concerned with the progressive agenda? Obama, himself, will never move any further from the center?

Everyone should just shut the fuck up then? No hope? While the right constantly screams and drags this country to the right, all us on the other wing should just shut the hell up and be content with a centrist politician?

I'm being serious now. Obama is doing some great things...and some things are lacking...there should be no dissent? No hope? Nothing? Just be happy?


"He is as good as it's going to get.

You better hope he succeeds."


Id think now is a good time to offer alternatives and have intellectual dialog. But if this is true, fuck it...just give up.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:50 AM
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15. Nope.
Push him to be better.

I was talking about the haters....Are you one of those?? You don't seem to be but ya never know.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:55 AM
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16. I thought you were talking about those who criticize period
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:55 AM by Oregone
(because "hater" is a term applied to critics)

And that is why I brought up FDR (who is probably remembered to be far more liberal than he was). He had a strong leftist opposition that highly influenced New Deal Policy. FDR was also a politician in a country being swept up by a wave of populism; he knew what way the wind was blowing.

Yes, pushing him would be apt.

Im not a "hater" at all. I do seem to "hate" almost everything coming from his economic team, to some extent, but I see the good he has been doing.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:06 AM
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20. Yep - I think he's got a fucked up economic team.....
But I don't think anyone out there has better answers.......


I get the feeling the truth about how bad this is will be unfolding for another year.

Wait till the credit card companies start exploding.....
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:03 AM
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19. I think the "haters" aren't hating, they're just hoping for better...
... and I think Obama, on many fronts, is with them but constrained by politics.

And I don't want to hear about the "Fuck Obama" threads that I've never seen.

Unfortunately I think that Obama, and this is probably one of his political strong points, is too aware of and sensitive to "moderate" (i.e. conservative but we've all been dragged so far to the right by the last 40 years of Repub. idolatry to realize where a "center" really is) points of view to really be "as good as its going to get".
I'd hoped that some of his postures during the campaign were just a little rightward-bend for the campaign... but he's displayed an integrity thus far that I never really thought possible in a politician... and as a result some of my hoped for projections upon him have been proven false.

I can certainly live with him... even feel satisfied, but if this is as good as it gets... then it's time to give up mainstream politics again and get in shape to join the anarchists... and start breaking shit.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:23 AM
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21. Well....

"And I don't want to hear about the "Fuck Obama" threads that I've never seen"

Your wish is my command.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:44 AM
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25. hehe... I actually said I didn't want to hear about those.
... but that one I'd seen... so it doesn't qualify... so good on you.

And, just so you know... I'm with that poster that says "And fuck you Obama"... because I think that Obama should be willing to go all Gavin Newsom on the gay rights issue. And if he isn't willing to do so, I think any gay rights proponents should have every right to tell him "Fuck You".
If I was gay I'd tell him "Fuck You" over this. Hell, I'm not and I'm not only fully supportive of those who do... but I'm more than half tempted to join in the "Fuck You" ing on the subject.
If you want me to dismiss gay rights in order to help the president's position on other stuff (presumably by accepting a position that won't offend the right wing fucktards), then I'll have to add a "Fuck You" to you too... cliffordu.
If not, if you don't want me to join in dismissing gay rights for political advantage... then "Not Fuck You" cliffordu.
It's up to you...
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:37 AM
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49. Yawn.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:09 AM
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29. its the same ole song and dance
thats been done time and again Oregone...

you better stick with democrats(no matter who it is, or what they represent and or accomplish) or youll get a republican!

oooohhh noooo!

well, people like the OP said that so much in the 90s and look what it got them... nader running on a 3rd ticket.

so i say to him, and people like him...
just keep it up...

you mite just get what you threaten us with.

wont matter to me, ill just leave... as theres no sense in staying in a country where no nobody listens to my political ideology, and ill just have to give up hope and realise the united states is mindless, thoughtless, carefree and happy about it.

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teknomanzer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:58 AM
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17. So far so good...
Bush had 8 years to completely screw up the nation. I'm not going to hold Obama to some 100 day time table. I'm not saying he should be beyond criticism. I'm personally giving him plenty of slack considering what he has to deal with. Its going to take much time and effort to keep this mess from sinking the whole ship.

I don't see that he has made a serious mistake yet. He's seems to be a careful man - something we haven't had around in a LONG time, but that is likely causing him to not move on some things as quickly as his critics would like. I have concerns about his failure to adequately address the obvious criminal acts of the Bush administration, and the handling of the Auto industry vs the Finance industry, along with his apparent failure to realize the Republican party is just a useless obstacle to be stepped over.

In spite of all that I actually trust him... which is something I can't say for most politicians. He's done very well abroad. He seems to be well received by world leaders - that is already a reversal from Bush. I KNOW he will be better than Bush in the long run. How much better remains to be seen. Maybe by the next congressional election we will all know know for sure.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:59 AM
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18. As someone whom has been very critical and whom might be tarred or mistaken for a "hater" (I am not)
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:59 AM by w4rma
I would recommend that Obama forget about the DLC / Rubinite / Wall Street approach and start focusing on MAIN STREET. Because, this depression is getting worse and worse since Wall Street only wants things that will hurt MAIN STREET. And the entire economy's foundation is based on MAIN STREET, ***NOT*** Wall Street.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:26 AM
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22. Ding Ding Ding we have a winner.....
We need a set of public works projects like the ones after the depression.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:40 AM
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24. We just got that in the stimulus
and the $3 trillion budget. Why people pretend otherwise is mind boggling.
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:50 PM
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111. Just for the record, we got $120 billion for public works
which is significantly less than AIG received.

When added to revenue sharing for states and energy improvements, it helps, but the tax cuts were the biggest part of the package. It's a major revision of supply side economics, but not a paradigm shift.

I tried to find a link, and this was the best I could do quickly.

http://www.creditloan.com/infographics/obamas-economic-...
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:09 AM
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28. Uhhm, the "whom"s are misplaced.
Sorry, some bit of grammar nazi I can't manage to keep shut up in my "faults closet" is out again... but... "whom" is an indirect object form of "who" (I think... English grammar, as my native language, is sometimes a bit unclear to me). In the example of your post, both instances should be "who". It's only in to/for prepositional phrases, constructing an indirect object form, than "who" becomes "whom". I think (again, the explicit rules are as elusive as a greased up gator a dumbshit then tries to wrestle... but I think that's the right summation).

Ohh, and I think the thought on the subject is that "main street" needs the available credit that "wall street" is supposedly able to offer.
I'm not sure why the government doesn't just let the banks fail, recruit some banker types that're competent, and form a new National Bank... funded with, ohh, say the money that we're currently being told needs to go to the financial sector... and just let those guys handle the new National Bank... and lend away... while the failure fucktards get the ruination that's coming to them from "the invisible {bitch slapping} hand of the market"

(And to any who might be offended by the term bitch slapping... I don't blame you, but I'm trying to use it in what I suspect is a prison sense of the term... in the sense of beating down a weaker person... if there's still any offense taken... I'll edit it based on any rational criticism.)
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:19 PM
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117. I think you should lay off the grammar obsession and work on your syntax
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 08:28 PM by Runcible Spoon
Your sentences are nearly unreadable.

What's with.........every 5 freakin' words? Irritating as fuck. Oh and bitch-slap should by hyphenated. :eyes:
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:39 AM
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44. Seconded, what you say is very much a reality.
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 09:39 AM by Deja Q
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:05 PM
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80. Says who?
its media fed propaganda is what it is.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:03 PM
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79. Did you expect it to turn arround in a month?
And I would argue that there are signs that we are turning the corner. Housing sales are up in a lot of places still not good but not dropping now for two months in a row.

The stock market is beginning to climb again. Both are leading indicators that the economy is improving. We have a ways to go yet but the idea that its getting worse is I think not supported by what seems to be happening on the ground.

How fast did it or does it have to turn around for you to recognize that his actions are having an effect?

The whole wall street main street meme is BS by the way they are not separate they depend on each other helping one also helps the other.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:20 AM
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23. The Obama haters will simply do what they always do when confr:onted
They'll lie and lie and lie. They'll insist that there are no Obama haters and that you're (we're) just trying to stifle dissent because we're really little jackbooted brownshirts.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:46 AM
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26. "Who's saying these terrible things about Obama?one?!" and my favorite...
"I must be out of the loop because I spend 16 hours a day on DU and I have not seen a SINGLE thread that has been hostile to the President!!1"

:eyes:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:18 AM
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33. they're here. a small hardcore minority
openly says stuff that includes statements about wanting to destroy him and the dem party or that he's just bushlite, etc.

duh.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #33
52. Yep. My mom used to warn me against cutting off my nose to spite my face....
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:25 AM
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30. Hate much?
LOL What a poor twisted little soul you have.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:19 AM
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34. nope, sorry. don't hate anyone.
hate some of the drivel and cant that some blather, but don't hate any individual.

I find it amusing that you're arrogant enough to think you can judge my "soul"- whatever that is.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:17 PM
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115. Thank God you've never passed any judgments on people here.
:thumbsup:
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:40 AM
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51. i'm a brownbooted jackshirter, myself...
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:06 AM
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27. bwahaha
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 05:12 AM by iamthebandfanman
this thread is great.

seriously.

funny stuff.



people like you are sad.
really really sad.


its people like you, and those who blindly follow without ever voicing concern, that make me realise how it was possible for a dumbshit like bush to stay in power for two terms.

congrats!

same ole line my fellow democrats have tried over and over again when dealing with liberals...

either stick with us or youll get a republican!
booga booga booga!

yah, keep that stupid crap up. you mite just get what you threaten.


i want what hes done so far to work out as much as anybody, but im not gonna shut my mouth if i dont like something. period.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:45 AM
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56. Punctuation and spelling really help an insult. Gibberish detracts from the
gestalt if you make it too hard to read.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:32 AM
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31. waiting for what?
your vote?
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:42 AM
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32. Some here act like spoiled 16 yr old brats, crying over their new Porsche cuz they wanted a Ferrari.
I've seen very little productive dissent. Most of that which is claimed to be as much amounts to nothing more than silly bitching and disigeniune concern.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:45 AM
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57. Yep.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:58 AM
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35. And why that isn't abundantly clear to everyone....
.... is beyond me.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:58 AM
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36. I want him to succeed. But keeping the crooks in charge of
our financial industry, and the idiots that couldn't shoot straight in charge of our economy is a guaranteed recipe for disaster.


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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:03 AM
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37. 'haters'? Hyperbole is a cheap tactic.
Look-ummmmm...ahhh..words have meanings. When we start ascribing words of great force and power to people those words do not accurately describe, those definitions will spread, and wind up being applied to those you wished to protect.

And what then to we call real hate? The kind of hate that lurks in an alley with a baseball bat?

This world has real hate. Real bashings. Rahter than post that others are not just as you want them to be, you should thank your lucky stars that you are so protected from the realities of life that you can use words like 'hate' as if they were cartoon bricks, and not the very fondation of bigotry. People are murdered each day due to actual hate. Groups of people live in fear and nations go to war, because of hate.
So the hyperbole on both 'sides' around here is not just a turn off, but it is also a dangerous game to play with language.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:43 AM
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53. you must be insulated from slang.
hater is a neologism used to describe the curmudgeon or those of perpetual grousing. It is a term of medium potency that does not stretch as far as bigotry or abuse.

Got it now professor?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:54 AM
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60. BWAHAHAhhah ahahH ah AHA AH
Excellent....

I belong to the church of the Chronic Malcontent, m'self.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:52 AM
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59. I suppose you're right. Best just let people
Scream "Fuck Obama" and write on THIS BOARD about how they're going to work to destroy Obama and his Presidency.

Go split some fucking hairs and lecture on word meanings with someone else.

I've seen what hate can do.

Words kill.

Dissent is not hate. Offering to work towards the destruction of the party is.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:20 AM
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38. Dear fucking God
There are probably 5 posters on here who hate the President.

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:37 AM
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42. Seriesly
If that.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:43 AM
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54. you are incorrect
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:49 PM
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106. yep. and the bullshit daily affirmation posts like this one only help to encourage them..
meanwhile, people with legit critiques and concerns get lumped into the "haters" group by all the sycophants. you'll notice that the latter have not responsed with anything of substance to the William Black posts. we get it, Obama is better than bush. No fucking shit. is it too much to expect a little more than the direction the new admin is taking us?
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:00 AM
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39. Given the shits the GOP believes are presidential materiel,
Obama is way beyond anything we could have hoped for. I hope he starts a long fashion for smart people taking over instead of the ego driven clowns we have had recently.

It's sad to think of what we could have been and where we could have gone with better people in elected office.

mark
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:41 AM
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46. Comparing Obama to Palin, Pawlenty, or Jindal, there's no contest.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:08 PM
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65. I think this is why we are seeing Newt resurrected - the GOP's
think he is "smart" and I believe they are now grooming him for '12 and already pushing Palin out of the way.
My predictions:
Newt as "mainstream" GOP candidate, Palin or similar jerk for the really-really righties/ "religious" type, maybe even splitting from GOP.
The next campaign will make the McCain/Palin campaign look clean and respectable. And inteligent.


mark
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:07 AM
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40. The best ever--which he may be--may not be good enough.
Some of the "hate" you see may only be our insistence that he get it right because there is so little room for error.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:59 AM
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62. I certainly understand that impulse.....I sweat everything he's doing, too.


I believe we are completely screwn. I really do. I HOPE he will be able to stop this short of a worldwide depression, but I don't know if anyone even knows how fucked up it is, let alone have a clue how to reverse it.

Maybe it can't BE reversed.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:28 AM
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41. Gawd bless Amurka!
Now shut the fuck up and watch TV.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:03 PM
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63. Aw, how sweet.
Go immediately to the extreme, way past what was actually said.

You amuse more every day.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:52 PM
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107. wtf?!
you're the one threatening any dissent with the spectre of sarah palin, and you're going to call someone out for resorting to extremes?! for real??!
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 09:36 AM
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43. I hope Obama gets better ...
because hope isn't a plan for success or failure.
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:11 AM
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47. Obama's Worst Day As President----
---is 10 times better than George W. Bush's best day.

Quit your griping.......
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:11 AM
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48. I doubt the Obama haters will listen
for the most part they are driven by emotion, rather than reason
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:05 PM
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64. Yep - you're right about that.
The intellectual discourse and disagreement with his actual policies is almost never hate based.

Just the infantile emotional screeds.

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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:38 AM
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50. thats what they are hoping frankly.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:44 AM
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55. Yes, and that is exactly why
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 11:45 AM by LWolf
I opposed his nomination, and why I oppose his current administration.

It didn't have to be this way. We could have defeated McCain/Palin with an actual liberal Democrat.

I'm not going to lay down and let him steamroll my profession, or let him move my country further right of center, without a fight.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:47 AM
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58. I can remember Republicans calling people a Bush hater when
they criticized his policies, maybe we should take a different approach.

:shrug:



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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:13 PM
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66. Well....
See post 21. That's what I'm talking about.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:28 PM
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68. And I'm talking about those who point out weaknesses and
get grouped together with disruptors.

I can just imagine some Republicans who tried to push back against the Bush policies - and they were labeled Bush haters.

Just ignore the junk, most can see through the hit and run attacks.











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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:59 AM
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61. If this is as good as it gets, we'll never live up to the potential promised by our Constitution...
We've got a Justice Dept. that would rather prosecute marijuana users than war criminals, an economic team more interested in the welfare of banking officials than regular Americans, an Interior chief who is moving toward more offshore drilling and less protection for endangered species, foot-dragging on the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, non-support of the unions who worked tirelessly to put the man in office, etc., etc.

President Obama is a huge step in the right direction ~ but he's nowhere near as good as he'll be if we hold his feet to the fire.


(And the "Obama hater" crap is utter bullshit.)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:17 PM
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67. I agree with every statement you made except the last one.
And as far as that, well, we'll just disagree.

There are people here who actively campaign against everything he's done.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:29 PM
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69. I've never come across such people here...
Seems to me if anyone stops cheering long enough to notice the red flags in some of these problem areas, they're called "Obama haters.

(I'm picky about which threads to read, so maybe I've overlooked those by right-wing trolls.)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:52 PM
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73. By some maybe...
I have extreme concerns about his economic policy and this union card check stance.....

He will fall extremely short on most of what I want him to do, but that doesn't mean I will actively work to destroy his Presidency (as one dumbfuck stated the other day), and I won't wander around yelling "fuck Obama".

I do understand he could be the last presindent standing against the complete takeover by the multinationals....Kucinich is up to that task but he could't get elected in a thousand years.

So he's it for right now. Maybe in bed with the banks, maybe not doing enough for "main street"....too much emphasis on "winning" Afghaninstan..the graveyard of empires....

My thing?

I live on 740 bucks a month - social security...When am I going to get a substantial cost of living raise????

Is he going to strip SS when he "shrinks" entitlements.....What about Medicare??
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:56 PM
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76. imo Obama is as strong as we make him - our actions (calls, letters, protests)...
...will give him the political muscle to do what needs to be done.

I don't care if people use message boards to express frustration ~ as long as they also take action.

Good questions you have ~ hopefully you've asked them of your Congressperson, Senators and President.

Best of luck!
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:31 PM
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70. Yes, it's a binary choice. Palin or Obama, NO other options.
No reforms, no persuasion to change, no "changed minds," nothing but Obama EXACTLY as he is right now, and Palin EXACTLY as she is right now.

You know, I might have bought that reasoning...in kindergarten.

:eyes:


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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:46 PM
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71. So if Palin was presented differently you would find her what???
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:53 PM
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75. What are you talking about?
My post was about the bullshit binary logic that we can't expect Obama to change, that we must accept him RIGHT NOW exactly as he is, or embrace Sarah fucking Palin. There ARE other choices--like changing Obama's mind via protest and lobby and communications with him. We sure as hell can't do THAT while everybody's telling us to STFU.

So tell me--what exactly were you trying to imply?


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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:57 PM
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77. No kidding
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 01:00 PM by Reterr
"Haters" :eyes:

I think a problem with internet "conversations" is the level of hyperbole involved.

A lot of people are talking at cross purposes here. I think there are a lot of intelligent and sane people making good points on both sides of many divides here, but a minority on either side want to turn it into "OBot vs. Freeper". If you agree with Krugman's column you must be a Freeper or a lefty anarchist or on the flipside if you don't think Obama is a hardcore DLC shill with an agenda you are an Obot. How about some balance really?


Can I please be allowed to like Obama well enoguh without "trusting his every decision". I consider him human and capable of mistakes like anyone else.
And the Palin types waiting in the wings makes the prospect of some mistakes scarier not less scary. The stakes are high here. And you can't expect everyone to switch off their brains if they see decisions from Obama that really raises eyebrows. I am really not happy with what the banks are getting away withn here.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:59 PM
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78. Funny - I implied none of that in my OP.
Read my reponses to what others have said about criticism and the difference between that and "I'm going to actively work to bring him down" as one shithead said the other day.

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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:07 PM
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81. I think a problem here is that no one knows on the internet who is addressing who
I have never called anyone an Obot (and I wouldn't-I don't think that is constructive in the slightest), but were I to do such a thing, it would not be addressed to many of the posters who defend Obama in a sane way, but it would only apply to a very small subset (well I am thinking of one person here really) who says things like "Krugman is a Freeper", because his column that day doesn't shower Obama with praise.

But someone else may be referring to all storng supporters of Obama that way.

Similarly with somewhat inflamatory stuff like "Haters". You may specifically have someone in mind, but everyone who ever posted any criticism of Obama could potentially wonder if they are being addressed now and whether they are now "haters".


I honestly think a lot of us are talking at cross purposes here. One line posts also make it easy for people to misinterpret your meaning. A one line post with inflammatory stuff like Bots and haters will always generate lots of cheerleading or booing responses though and I guess that is more fun than anything actually meaningful.

I hate the internet. I am going out.....
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:12 PM
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82. Not sure why there's such a propensity toward hyperbole
"Haters" for example- to describe criticism of policy.

It's almost as if the Reagan Bush virus has affected people with an inability be level headed and think in ways other than black & white.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:00 PM
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85. Again, why read what I wrote when you can just make shit up??
Read the dialogue going on within the thread....

I'll never try to quash dissent or healthy criticism....Just the idiots who claim they're going to "bring down" the Obama Presidency.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:34 PM
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88. Why use words like "haters"
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 02:36 PM by depakid
That's basically the question I asked.

Same deal applies with memes like "liberal media." Why on earth would anyone want to propogate that myth?

Yet people do go down that route. Why? -your guess is as good as anyone's.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:39 PM
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90. You know what?? You're right.
I'll never use the word "haters" again....

I used to use it to mock shrub....and then my meaning got muddled.

I'll be specific in my criticism from now on.

But don't tell anyone I actually ceded a point here. I have an image to live up to.


:hi:

And thanks.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:56 PM
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93. How about just being cool
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 03:02 PM by depakid
Sarcasm aside- don't you think that, being reasonable and responsible folks- this is what it's all about?

My quick bet would be that President Obama sees that- and other world leaders see it too.

How we get to "better places" -well, that's a matter for some discussion.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:16 PM
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83. K&R nt
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:45 PM
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84. Obama can and should be pushed but ignore that it boils down to
a binary choice in the end. We either work within the party and deal with the luke warm watered down and slow progress in the right direction or let the Republicans aggressively run us into the ground some more.

When it comes to it, that really is the choice and any history reviewed since kindergarten should back that up pretty well. I'm also interested in who these "liberal democrats" that would have beaten the Reich Wing are. If you say Kucinich (who I like, mind you) then I'll laugh you off the globe altogether. I'm not sure who even ran other than him that would pass the muster as a "liberal democrat". Dodd, Hillary, Richardson, Edwards, Biden, Vilsack?????? Maybe you think Gravel had even a remote chance (or is actually a liberal). As far as I can tell the most "liberal" two (other than the guy that got busted for cheating on his cancer patient wife) are President and VP.

Measuring against an ideal is dangerous thinking in politics because I think it just leads to the throwing up of hands and quitting.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:02 PM
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86. You just said it more eloquently than I did. Thanks!!!
:hi:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:29 PM
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87. Rereading "Team of Rivals" it is interesting to see Fredric Douglas'

evolution of his opinion of Lincoln. Showing the same generous spirt and intelligence Douglas was frustrated with how slow Lincoln moved and was one of his most loudest critics on the left. Douglas had a few meetings with him and was surprised at how authentic Lincoln had treated him, far more naturally than most of the famous abolitionists who were closer to his own ideology.

In the end Douglas came to believe that "(Lincoln) is a most remarkable man. I am satisfied now that he is doing all that circumstances will permit him to do."

What makes the harsh criticisms of President Obama so self indulgent is the speed in which they are undertaken, as if the first and harshest criticism helps propel you to win the race to "greatest progressive". The fact that the criticisms have begun so early in his first term, just a few weeks after he took office and during the worst economic free fall in 50 years, speaks more clearly of the critics than of the President.

Every day in office President Obama makes Douglas' remarks about Lincoln seem more and more apt description of his leadership.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #87
91. Yep. You are absolutely spot on with this Grantcart -
it should be it's own OP.


:hi:

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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:13 PM
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100. Thank you for this post, grantcart.
Very well stated, and totally apropos in light of the current tension between the ideal, and the reality.

:thumbsup:

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:39 AM
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123. Endorsed. Great post, grantcart.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 12:12 PM
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125. Well said!
"What makes the harsh criticisms of President Obama so self indulgent is the speed in which they are undertaken..."

:thumbsup:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 03:40 PM
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96. Well that's an OP bound to lead to productive discussion.
Edited on Sat Apr-04-09 03:42 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
Terms like "Obama Haters" only makes people entrench themselves further into hyperbole. How do you react when someone calls you a "bot"?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:04 PM
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99. I smile and keep reading
Sooner or later someone calls someone Hitler. Like gravity, it's an immutable law...

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:18 PM
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101. +1
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:20 PM
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102. that is what's so depressing
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:28 PM
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103. Your thread title is reminiscent of the BushBots of 2002.
Being Patriotic and "behind our President" also requires that we KEEP HIM SMART about how those in AMERICA (outside of the Beltway) thinks of what he is doing. The M$M and his advisers serve as an echo chamber.

Dissent is the greatest form of patriotism - Obama must take the correct actions in order for your Nation to succeed. As it stand now, only the political and bankster ELITES are recovering. That is patently WRONG. This situation will blow up in Obama's face if he's not made aware of our discontent.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:38 PM
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109. Eventuall this accusation comes out......
It's the DU equivalent of someone eventually calling someone a NAZI in an argument.

Generaly when they have no valid argument.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:30 PM
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114. No, your word usage - tactics - are meant to stifle dissent. It's just plain wrong. nt.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:30 PM
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118. Dissent is patriotic!
Except when you criticize the ihateobama crowd.

In that case it's an attempt to "stifle dissent" and "march in lockstep".

Everybody can be criticized EXCEPT the ihateobama crowd.


Thankfully, but few actually buy that load of crap.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 11:50 PM
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120. Bingo, its becuase the most sever critics are really just being self indulgent
They really server not greater good other then their own anger. They want you to criticize unless its them you are criticizing. They are the ones that need to hear the corrections.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:07 PM
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108. It's never as good as its going to get, it stops getting better when we stop pushing our leaders.
Not a complicated concept really.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 05:46 PM
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110. You are exactly right about pushing leaders.
Someone exclaiming they are going to actively work towards bringing down the president???

What about someone else yelling "Fuck Obama"?

I dunno if that's pushing the leaders

And that's who I was talking to.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:01 PM
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112. That's such a profound minority though, and I feel like any criticism gets lumped into this
a lot of the time :(
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:12 PM
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113. I guess I could have been more specific.
In the future I will be.

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:19 PM
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116. There's a poll right now asking what we hate most about DU.
My choice, which isn't in the poll, but IS in your OP, is the simplistic, binary, either/or thinking that belongs in grade school, not among supposedly intelligent people.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 11:17 AM
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124. So for you the
"fuck Obama" crowd and those vowing to work to bring down his presidency are just fine??

I like you, forky, but I could have predicted this view.

:eyes:
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steven johnson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 08:54 PM
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119. Chicago Tribune (4/5/09): Obama wows a worried world
Clarence Page in tomorrow's Chicago Tribune wrote,


Obama's skills at bringing people together helped put big smiles on the faces of world leaders at the summit's end. Of course, I said the same when he was buttering up congressional Republicans before they turned against his economic stimulus package. Here's hoping he has better luck on with his new overseas friends. The fate of the world depends on it.

We exercise our leadership best when we are listening, when we recognize the world is a complicated place," Obama said in London, "when we show some element of humility and when we recognize we may not always have the best answer but we can always encourage the best answer."

Translation: Meet the new sheriff. We will lead, but we will also listen. Compared to the previous administration's my-way-or-the-highway attitude ("Either you're with us," President George W. Bush declared, "or you're with the terrorists."), this is a change the world seems ready to believe in.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped0...



I think Obama's community organizer skill set is working to untangle complicated problems without driving people away from the table. Let's hope he can continue.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 04:36 AM
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122. A year and a half or so ago there was talk aplenty that Barack Obama
could never win the Iowa caucus.

Turned out, he did just fine in Iowa. We saw "historic win" in the next day's papers.

We are only weeks into his young presidency. He stands in our place in Prague and anywhere else he and Michelle step out of an airplane.

I think it is proper and even essential that we assess him by his attributes, which thankfully are numerous. Europe is out in force to cheer Obama the man but also to cheer the idea that one of the good guys is in charge after 8 years of the bad guys.

George W. Bush was and still is profoundly unpopular in Europe. And justifiably so.

Praise for Obama acknowledges those Europeans' (and our) impulse to respect each other. They sense a far stronger chance that Good will prevail with Good people at the control panel. Obama affirms the Good in them, in us.

While John Boehner is caucusing with his dim-witted, myopic Republican flunkies inside the Beltway, President Obama is setting a much-needed new tone in the cities of Europe.

I am proud of the president.
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