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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 11:58 AM
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Be honest with yourselves, Obama IS NOT THE ONLY person who smoked pot who doesn't . . .
. . .support legalization and any DUer who is going to get bent out of shape over this really needs to get a grip.

There are SO MANY MORE IMPORTANT issues to get worked up about, seriously. And more importantly the Obama administration has taken a progressive position on the issue of medical marijuana.

Can you imagine, with all that we are trying to do getting distracted over the legalization of marijuana.

As far as I recall that was not a campaign promise.

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 11:59 AM
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1. Right. But Obama owns his own hypocrisy. Pointing out other hypocrites doesn't help. nt
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:01 PM
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2. Is it hypocritical? How many of us have driven a car after having had too much to drink . .
. . .who by the grace of God didn't get in an accident or get caught and know we were wrong, are we supposed to come out in favor of legalizing drunk driving?
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:03 PM
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6. Of course it's hypocrisy. Again, pointing out others' misdeeds doesn't excuse your own. nt
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:09 PM
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15. Smoking pot in your high school/college years and being against legalization . . .
. . .as an adult is not being a hypocrite its called growing up. YES some adults, MYSELF INCLUDED, have no problem with the legalization or at least the decriminalization of marijuana, but Obama's previous use of pot does not obligate him to support legalization and he is not a hypocrite for not supporting it.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:10 PM
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18. Of course it is. Obama would never have been President if he got the punishment he would mete
to others. :hi:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:11 PM
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19. OK, then by your logic we should legalize drunk driving. . .
. . .because I am sure more than a few elected officials have driven under the influence but did not get caught. Hell, Bush got arrested for drunk driving.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:23 PM
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34. Nope. Smoking pot is not an activity that endangers others, so try again.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 03:31 PM
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39. I do find it amusing that you are the one making the fuzzy-headed "argument"
It's fucking hilarious
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:18 PM
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24. Too bad more states didn't..
de-criminalize marijuana. But why do that, when legislation would sail through Congress, without any opposition?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:01 PM
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3. I don't support legalization of Marijuana because some people
can't handle it, and like cigarettes, but for different reasons, it can do harm.

I have a nephew who nearly ruined his life smoking dope everyday while he was in college.
He had to go to rehab, because he simply was unable to deal with his habit.

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:06 PM
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He had a habit (like masturbation or shopping), not an addiction...
there is a world of difference.
One is behavioral and the other is biological
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:10 PM
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17. You are kidding right? You have no idea what Frenchie knows about that situation. . .
. . . you crossed a line in your response.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:13 PM
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22. What line? The anecdotal line?
Fuck that noise
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:15 PM
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23. Telling Frenchie her nephew was not addicted. . .you don't him you don't know the situation. . .
. . .you don't what her family went through so you are better off not assuming you know what happened.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:18 PM
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25. Hey, you don't see me in favor of outlawing slacking off in school...
which seems to be the nut of that particular problem.
You need to bring the evidence that marijuana is PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:21 PM
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26. Again, you don't know and your assessment of the situation. . .
. . .without know first hand what happened is just ignorant.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:25 PM
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27. And we shall ALL remain ignorant until the oh-so-devastating details are revealed
Look, I'm sorry for the pain her nephew's behavior caused for himself and her family, but that's entirely another matter
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:02 PM
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30. Well an antecdote about a colleg boy...
I have antecdotes about millionaires who smoke every day, Oscar winners, employers of hundreds, that sort of thing. Elected officials. So many people who deeply impact our culture and our nation. Daily smokers.
But hey, we all have our own stories, our own lives. Some clearly more tawdry than others, but stories are just stories. Antecdotes from life. Depending on one's life,the conclusions drawn might be very different. Which is why we have science, and facts and the like.
So far, 5 people I have smoked pot with have visited the Obama White House as invited guests on various occasions. Does that prove anything? Of course not. I guess I could say that it is also true that I don't know any non pot smokers who have been yet, so I could conclude that hitting the bong leads to visiting the White House...
Different tokes for different folks.
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:07 PM
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11. So you want to ...
send me to jail because of your nephew?

Thanks alot
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:12 PM
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20. Good thing that nephew didn't have relationship problems...
or there might be advocacy for outlawing love and romance
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:51 PM
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29. I don't believe that jail time should be given for possession.....
just education and/or a fine.

But I don't believe in the all out legalizing of recreational use of marijuana.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 03:10 PM
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38. Criminal cartels and the pharmaceutical industry thank you for your continued support
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:34 PM
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36. Yes and that happened while pot was illegal
now tell me again why it shouldn't be legal?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:02 PM
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4. Thank you.
If people are so passionate about it they should start working from the ground up.

As FDR said... 'make me do it'.
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:02 PM
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5. Thanks. I've had to laugh at some of the posts here in the last hour.
It's hard to tell if some posters are outraged or if they're being silly. I can just imagine the explosion if Obama issued an executive order legalizing marijuana use. Oy!
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:03 PM
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7. a lot of hypocrites doesn't make hypocrisy any better. nt
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:03 PM
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8. That is correct; the world is filled with situational hypocrites
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:03 PM
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9. Yeah a lot of growers have never supported legalization,
same with dealers.
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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:06 PM
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10. Come on, do you think he needs to waste political capital on this polarizing issue
When so many other issues are front and center? Can you imagine?? The press and the Repukes would have a field day!! The firestorm from him coming out and legalizing what is still considered (not by me) a drug would be huge!! We don't need to waste resources nor capital on it at this present time. Maybe in the future though!!
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:07 PM
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14. Nope. He needs all of that to defend AIG bonuses! nt
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lxlxlxl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:07 PM
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12. It would have to start with the states, simple...
People need to stop thinking that any decriminalization or legalization will come from the feds first. The only path forward is for individual states to change their laws on the books, or influence their enforcement strategies.

Too bad the President cant remind people of that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:13 PM
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21. Exactly.
People in many states get this, and are acting accordingly.

Why so many here expected Obama to get right on this issue is beyond me. :wtf:
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:07 PM
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13. I have to agree with on some points. Even though I don't like pot, I support the legalization of it,
Edited on Thu Mar-26-09 12:09 PM by rvablue
however, it would be assinine, stupid, and short-sighted for President Obama to expend ANY political capital on this issue right now.

If he is able to save the economy, end the wars, reform health care and improve education opportunities, etc., and get re-elected then we might see some progress on this issue four years from now.

For now, I support his decision to not wade into this and as evidenced on the cover of the NYT today, I believe that due to economic issues (the expense of housing prisoners for minor drug offenses) we are going to see a lot of movement on the decriminalization of marijuana on the state level.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:03 PM
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31. Why risk political capital on something that is DOA in Congress
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:15 PM
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32. Why bother responding to posts if you aren't going to read the whole thing.
As you obviously did not read mine.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:17 PM
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33. Ummm...I was agreeing with You?
No disagreement from me

;(

sooorrrrry
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:29 PM
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35. I apologize, I misread it! n/t
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:10 PM
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16. Well said.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 12:35 PM
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28. I Support The Drug Cartel
It only makes sense that they continue to kill, kidnap and make the billions American's spend on pot each year.

Keep it illegal here so we can go to jail vs the drug cartel.

That makes a lot of sense to me.
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-26-09 01:36 PM
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37. Obama supports the drug cartels
That's what I got out of laughter today at millions of peoples expense.
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