The FBI framed the "amthrax" killer. Is Chandra Levy's "killer" going through the same?

[Louis-Emmanuel]

As you remember, the "amthrax doctor" who committed "suicide" has been proved not to have been able to deliver the amthrax letters which were at the center of the accusations against him.

Now we are told that an illegal immigrant killed Chandra Levy. Do you buy it?

The lawyers assigned to the accused said, according to the Washington Post: ""This flawed investigation, characterized by the many mistakes and missteps of the Metropolitan Police Department and every federal agency that has attempted to solve this case, will not end with the simple issuance of an arrest warrant against Mr. Guandique,"

We'll see what happens.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/03/AR2009030301967.html?nav=hcmodule

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Considering the guy is already serving time for other heinous crimes

Probably is legit.

I knew from day 1 that it wasn't Condit.

[PBS Poll-435]

2. Plus, it is either Amtrak or Anthrax. Pick one.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. it all seems fishy

[camera obscura]

4. Why would they bother framing the guy years after everybody forgot about the story?

Yeah there were occasional pieces looking back on it, but they hardly roused public interest to a fraction of what it was pre-9/11.

[Occam Bandage]

5. I caught the 4:30 Amthrax to Poxburgh.

[CitizenPatriot]

6. me, too

but my train was late.

snow everywhere....or was it white powder???

[a la izquierda]

35. Oh you guys beat me to it!

[avaistheone1]

7. The FBI framed Richard Jewel too.

Do you remember him?


For two days after the July 27, 1996 bombing at Centennial Olympic Park, Jewell was hailed as a hero for spotting a suspicious backpack and moving people out of harm's way just before the explosion that killed one and injured 111 others.

But on the third day, an unattributed report in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution described him as "the focus" of the investigation.

Other media, to varying degrees, also linked Jewell to the investigation and portrayed him as a loser and law-enforcement wannabe who may have planted the bomb so he would look like a hero when he discovered it later.

The Associated Press, citing an anonymous federal law enforcement source, said after the Journal-Constitution report that Jewell was "a focus" of investigators, but that others had "not yet been ruled out as potential suspects."

Jewell was never arrested or charged, although he was questioned and was a subject of search warrants.

The bomber turned out to be anti-government extremist Eric Rudolph.

Jewell sued several media organizations and settled for undisclosed amounts.

A suit he filed against the Journal-Constitution is set for trial in January. The newspaper has stood by its coverage.

http://www.bookrags.com/news/autopsy-heart-disease-killed-former-moc/

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. I've never heard that alleged before - the media, yes, but not the FBI.

The media certainly presented Jewell as probably guilty, but I haven't heard any similar allegations against the FBI, and they're not among the groups he's suing.

There was a media leak, which caused him problems and for which Janet Reno subsequently apologised, but that's a far cry from trying to frame him.

[Jennicut]

8. Or maybe is was persecution of an innocent, all though morally bankrupt man

Gary Condit did have to endure years of speculation. Maybe they got the right guy at last.

[Peace Patriot]

9. I am very, very, VERY suspicious of this one.

The initial investigation was seriously botched. And one of the ways it was botched was that neither the FBI nor the DC police ever questioned Dick Cheney or his aides about the meeting he had with Gary Condit on the very day that Chandra Levy disappeared, and during her very disappearance hours. (12:00 noon, May 1, 2001.) The DC media were also completely uninterested in this meeting and never asked questions about it. Two days later, on May 3, Condit was one of only 10 Democrats who voted for Bush/Cheney's first tax cut for the rich, in a very controversial, close vote. (Condit was leader of the "Blue Dogs" and a favorite at the Bush White House.) But I think Cheney's interest in Condit went beyond that and other votes. Condit sat on the highly important House intelligence committee, privy to many secrets, during the purge of the Clinton FBI that was going on that summer, simultaneously with the media's obsession with the sleazier aspects of the Condit/Levy story. Mueller was brought in to head the FBI at the end of that summer of hearings (many of them closed door).

Two other things were also occurring, with regard to the FBI. Coleen Rowley's request for a FISA warrant (generally routinely granted) to get into Zacharias Moussaoui's computer* was denied by the DC-FBI, in late summer, and, around the same time, John O'Neil (who was hot on the 9/11 money trail in Yemen) was drummed out of the FBI, on a flimsy excuse. He took a security job at the WTC and died there on 9/11.

Levy apparently wanted Condit to leave his wife and marry her, and she wanted him to get her a job at the FBI. She was working as an intern that summer for the federal Bureau of Prisons. Her internship was abruptly canceled early, two weeks before her disappearance, with a lame excuse. There was no follow-up by the media on the lame excuse (like, who was putting the pressure on?) This was among a series of irregularities, oddities and failures that characterized the investigation all summer--whether by the FBI/DC police or supposed investigative reporters of the corpo/fascist press. I certainly had the strong feeing that someone was interfering with that investigation.

The failure of anyone--including reporters--to ask Cheney or his aides about that meeting with Condit, not even to verify that it took place, concluded, three months after Levy's disappearance (and two months after Condit had released his schedule for May 1, which revealed his meeting with Cheney), with Cheney's aides** planting Cheney's version of the meeting in Newsweek (short meeting, about 20 minutes, two aides present, routine political). I was following the Condit news story closely that summer, and when Cheney planted his version of the meeting in Newsweek, I realized how useless and corrupt the DC media had become. I had early warning of the flood of lies and coverups that the media would be complicit in, shortly, with the war on Iraq and everything else that has happened since.

All summer the DC police said that Levy disappeared mid-morning. Late in the summer, they suddenly announced that, no, the FBI Lab had discovered (they had had her computer for two months) that she had used her computer later (to search areas of Rock Creek Park on Mapquest), and they changed her disappearance hours to early afternoon (coinciding with Condit's meeting with Cheney). They then sent a parade of recruits on a high-profile, second search of Rock Creek Park, with photos in the newspapers. They found nothing. Was this change in her disappearance hours to provide Cheney with enough time to concoct his version of the meeting with Condit during those critical hours?

Levy's body was found a year after her disappearance, not far off the path where the recruits had searched twice. This was after 9/11, and barely noted in the media.

I smelled a rat about that investigation, and the smell will not go away. I've read about this poor El Salvadoran immigrant who is apparently going to be charged with her murder, eight years later. I think it is a coverup.

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*(When that computer was finally opened, after 9/11, they found Nicholas Berg's name and email password in it, according to Berg's father. The FBI questioned Nick Berg about it, and went away apparently satisfied with his explanation that he had permitted Mousaoui, a complete stranger, to use his computer on a bus, going to class. Nicholas was later permitted to enter Iraq as a communications contractor, and to freely go about Baghdad looking for work. He was picked up and held for 10 days by "U.S. authorities," in May 2004, then released onto the streets in the middle of the Fallujah uprising, where he was apparently kidnapped and beheaded on the infamous tape.)

**(Cheney's aides told Newsweek that no one had ever questioned Cheney or his aides about the meeting.)

[Princess Turandot]

10. Why would anyone in 2009 be trying to cover up a murder that most folks have forgotten about?..

Bringing it up at this point by seeking the indictment of anyone, be it a poor immigrant or a billionaire, brings attention to the case again. They may well have botched the initial investigation. But if that was the case, unless some sort of news was about to break on this, leaving the murder in the cold case file would make a hell of a lot more sense that suddenly prosecuting a fall guy.

[leftstreet]

11. I've wondered that. If there was something about to break

Now that Darth Cheney is out of office.

You make a good point though.

[bottomtheweaver]

15. Tying up loose ends maybe?

Now that they've cut the feed on his torture cam..

[Peace Patriot]

34. Well, we don't know the answer to that. All we know is what the corpo/fascist press

provides us in shaped, filtered, manipulated, selective, twisted, distorted and/or cleansed information (and, of course, those black holes where information should be--such as the failure of anyone, back in 2001, to question Cheney or his aides about that meeting). And we know from hard experience how little we can trust corpo/fascist 'news', and how sharp we have to be at reading between the lines and making educated guesses.

If my smeller is right--that Levy's death was a political murder--then the reason for this clean-up operation (as the mafia would put it) is that there is someone who knows something, maybe someone in a position to come forth now that Cheney has been ousted from direct power over our agencies.

There are other possible hypotheses--than that, say, Cheney arranged it as a political favor for Condit, and that this El Salvadoran is a patsy (brought forward now to tie up this loose end, before something comes out). If Condit were more of a leftist, it might have been a kind of Elliot Spitzer situation--a hit aimed at removing a Democratic office holder. In that case (and there are some bits and pieces of evidence that support this), the El Salvadoran is guilty but they jailed him on other charges and held him in reserve, while they destroyed Condit; and now that the Bushwhacks are out, the FBI/DC police can proceed with the real case. But Condit was too cooperative. I mean, he introduced a bill in the House to place the Ten Commandments in all public buildings (while he was carrying on with at least one, and probably several, mistresses). He was the head of the "Blue Dog" coalition (traitor Democrats). It doesn't make sense that Cheney would do that to this Democrat. Condit was no kind of champion of the people. He was a player.

Another possible scenario: Condit is completely innocent of the murder, but he did have a problem (Levy wanted to marry him, and there are some who believe she was pregnant). He said the wrong thing to Cheney or some other fascist criminal; they took it as him needing a hit, and killed her--but he never intended that. There are also bits and pieces of evidence that support this. For instance, someone pulled her Bureau of Prisons internship, two weeks early, sending her packing. Maybe Condit, maybe someone else, trying to pressure her out of DC. Maybe that's all Condit wanted--for her to give up career aspirations in DC (and marriage), go home and forget him. Condit's estranged wife came on a very rare visit to DC that week, and many of the holes in his schedule that week are filled with items like "dinner with wife" and "shopping with wife." Levy was clearly full of illusions, and something was clearly going on between her and Condit and his wife. In the midst of this, Levy disappears and Condit has no idea what happened to her. The killers have set up the El Salvadoran and have him in custody, just in case. But they decide that--since they know that 9/11 is coming, and are going to step back and let it happen--they need a very distracting 'news' story that will dominate headlines all summer--so they let it play out, with Condit looking guilty. They don't like losing a "Blue Dog" vote, but this is more important.

CONTEXT is important. This was the leadup to 9/11. Colleen Rowley had been neutralized. John O'Neil had been neutralized. NORAD had been neutralized (Rumsfeld had taken all NORAD emergency decisions into his own hands in June '01--and you know where he was on the morning of 9/11, with one of the planes headed for DC, after the towers were hit? "In a meeting," according to him--didn't know what was happening--and the media bought it.) The FBI had been purged (via the House committee that Condit sat on). The hijackers were running around freely, getting airplane lessons and lap dances. (One of them even went into a federal ag office in Florida, asked for a loan for crop dusting, and angrily berated President Bush to the loan officer--that got ignored or buried.) Several systems had been effectively disorganized--the FBI, NORAD, also immigration controls and the Air Force. But this was a perilous business that could go haywire with leaks (with an insider like Richard Clarke tearing his hair out at a possible Al Qaeda hit). So they throw away a political operative--Condit--to distract everybody. It's typical Mob behavior, and the Bush Junta is more like that than anything else--the Mob Writ Large.

What I'm saying is that there is enough funny stuff in the original investigation--especially given the context--and enough weirdness in this El Salvadoran suddenly being named, to warrant great suspicion. I smelled a rat then. I smell a rat now. That's all I'm saying.

[bottomtheweaver]

25. Didn't the DC sniper also take out a few FBI employees..

Funny how that works isn't it.

[JFKfanforever]

42. I'm also suspicious of this sudden "solution" to Chandra's murder

I seem to remember that tracking dogs followed Chandra's scent
outside her apartment building to the curb of the street and
then abruptly lost it. This might indicate that she left her
apartment (or was taken forcibly) outside and then
disappeared, possibly in a vehicle or, as some suggested, on a
motorcycle.  Chandra was no jogger or dog walker in Rock Creek
Park. She opened her apartment door to someone who then
abducted and murdered her!

Rock Creek Park was thoroughly searched by police and by many
amateur sleuths in the days following Chandra levy's
disappearance.  Months and months later, her remains were
found at a location near a path where they had been dumped
long after the killing.  The area was left unsecured for hours
after the fact! Even Fox News talking head Rita went exploring
unrestricted into the woody crime scene looking for more
evidence and discovered bent wire in the shape of a figure 8
which she claimed could have been used to bind Chandra's
wrists.  Was this the modus operandi of Sandique, the
assaulter of jogging females in the park?  No, not at all. He
is just a convenient penniless and friendless perp who has
been designated to take the fall.

He has no hope and no chance of avoiding being pinned with
this heinous unsolved crime... Just like Cooper who was forced
on threat of the death penalty to confess to the Washington DC
Starbucks killings (the murder of Caity Mahoney), Sandique
will be offered life for a confession.  Justice?  Don't
believe it for a minute!

[cali]

12. thank you for the perfect example of a failure of critical thinking.

to assume that because the feds framed people for the anthrax attacks, the murder of Levy was similarly framed is a logical fallacy.

[onenote]

13. exactly

if the freepers claimed that because the FBI framed the anthrax suspect they must have framed Ted Stevens and Abramoff and duke cunningham we'd be laughing at them so hard milk would come out of noses. But some Duers seem to think its a perfectly logical assumption when it comes to the levy murder.

Go figure.

[slackmaster]

20. Well said, cali

Kudos to you.

[H2O Man]

23. But how do you explain

the hidden role of the FBI in this arrest? I mean, they haven't really been mentioned, as it was the DC police that had the three detectives that took over the "cold case." Isn't that suspicious?

[cali]

40. very suspicious indeed, sir.

those sneaky sobs.

[Marrah_G]

14. The guy is serving time for similar crimes in the same area.........

Not everything is a conspiracy.

"authorities issued an arrest warrant for Ingmar Guandique, who is serving a 10-year prison sentence for attacking two other women at knifepoint in the park around the time the 24-year-old federal government intern disappeared. "

This is a violent rapist and possibly a murderer (if convicted) the fact that he is an illegal immigrant doesn't make him innocent.

[bottomtheweaver]

17. It took them eight years to make this connection?

And a year to "find" the body? Are you kidding?

[Marrah_G]

18. Not all crimes are solved in a one hour, including commercials.

[bottomtheweaver]

21. If this guy really was arrested, charged, tried, convicted, and imprisoned

for nearly identical crimes, you don't think somebody somewhere, in eight years, would have thought "gee, maybe there's a connection?"

[Drunken Irishman]

26. Actually, it sounds extremely possible.

[H2O Man]

27. Two things:

(1) He wasn't tried and convicted. He admitted guilt, perhaps due to two witnesses who could positively ID him.

(2) Police investigators did make the connection. They did not have all of the evidence they have today.

[bottomtheweaver]

28. Did he also sentence himself?

Come on.

[H2O Man]

29. Please.

Your post had two errors that indicated that you were not familiar with the circumstances. No big deal. No need to resort to foolishness.

[bottomtheweaver]

31. The point is that if he's in prison for similar crimes, this is ridiculous.

Either the whole thing is a frame up or alternatively, it's a frame up. Take your pick.

[H2O Man]

32. Perhaps you could benefit

from expanding your frame of reference.

[Marrah_G]

33. Sometimes it takes time to build a case.

They needed more then just that it looked similar, especially because of the spotlight cast on her personal life.

I have a friend who's cousin was killed by a serial killer. He was convicted of the murder of three women and is suspected in the murder/disappearance of a few others. They haven't been able to PROVE the others, although most people are pretty sure he killed them also.

Crimes done by strangers are very hard to solve and often take years.

Also, sometimes the police are sure they know who committed a murder but it takes years to get enough evidence to actually charge someone.

This is reality.

Not CSI...not Law and Order.... in reality it takes time. Sometimes years... sometimes decades.

[Starry Messenger]

30. +1

I knew a woman who was a police forensics specialist who hated those shows. :)

[Drunken Irishman]

24. lol, you tell them!

Murder is always perfectly neat and solved in an hour, just like in Law and Order. Am I rightbottomtheweaver, or am I right?

Anyone who's ever watched CSI, Cold Case, Law and Order knows the string of events to solve a murder only takes 45 minutes and four or five people tops! Real life isn't much different. I mean, seriously! Law and Order HAS to be realistic, after all, there have been REAL police officers guest starring before!!!!!!!!

[iamthebandfanman]

41. actually it didnt

im pretty sure i remember hearing about this guy being a suspect within the year of it happening...

it is kinda weird it took this long to gather evidence tho...

but hey, that coulda just been shitty work on the part of the investigators...

u gotta admit it doesnt look good for the guy since he has commited a similar crime in his past...
if its a frame up job, they couldnt have picked a better person

[Peace Patriot]

36. You're just assuming that a very poor, El Salvadoran illegal alien got a fair trial?

I don't make that assumption at all. Don't you realize who was running our "justice" system?

He was not accused of, nor convicted of, rape. He was imprisoned for mere assault--that is, knocking two women down while they and he were jogging on the same path. His intent (disclosed under pressure) was purse-snatching, not rape or murder. He was very poor. His history includes minor personal violence (hitting his girlfriend, not murdering her or raping her) and petty theft. Murder of a stranger (or anyone) does not fit his profile, as far as I can tell, from reading detailed news reports about him. I don't trust anything about his conviction. I think it's very possible that he was set up, that he's a patsy--i.e., that he was tucked away in federal prison to be used in various contingencies. He speaks no English.

Think about this--a desperately poor, illegal alien (or, rather, semi-legal--he was awaiting legal status)--prone to petty theft and minor violence, murders Chandra Levy on a jogging path. Knifes her, slits her throat (I'm not sure how she was killed), discovers she has nothing (no purse, no pack, no wallet, no money, no keys, no cell phone--she left everything in her apartment--where she'd packed her bags to leave DC forever--and went jogging?)--and then what? This is NOT an "organized killer," as they say. He was a purse-snatcher type. The moment he saw she had nothing to steal, he would run away in horror at what he'd done. (That's his profile.) So, how did two complete police searches of Rock Creek Park miss her bloodied corpse lying on the jogging path, or just off the path in the bushes? Big parades of recruits searching the park, twice. Hm? Her body lay there for a year!

I'm not saying it's impossible. Anything is possible, I guess. But it is improbable. And, adding in everything else we know about this case, and the context in which it occurred--about Cheney, about Condit, about their meeting, about the very poor and very strange initial investigation, and all the FBI stuff (their behavior in the case, and the Bushwhack FBI purge that was occurring), and including this strange naming of a suspect, eight years later, and it becomes very, VERY suspicious.

"Not everything is a conspiracy." Are you so sure of that, when it comes to the Bush Junta?

[demokatgurrl]

16. As a supporter of the Innocence Project

I wondered this myself when I saw the news. Sometimes they just need an arresst.

[Marrah_G]

19. Innocence Project is a great group!

I tend to think this is not the case with this guy. They didn't rush to make an arrest, any arrest. This guy is a serial violent rapist who attacked other women in the same place with a knife.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. Yay for crackpot theories!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Oh Give Me A Friggin Break.

:eyes:

[snowbear]

39. I think the OP is really Lou Dobbs..

.
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[JFKfanforever]

43. http://www.chandra.alturl.com/

Chandra was all packed and ready to leave town.
She did not go on a 9-mile jog the day she was abducted and
murdered. (her apartment>>>site where remains were
dumped months later>>>back to her apartment = ~9
miles!)
Cadaver-sniffing dogs traced her scent to the curbside outside
her apartment bldg and then the trail was lost. She was taken
away by a vehicle. Sniffer dogs also thoroughly searched the
area where her sle;etal remains were later found buried under
leaves.
Police cadets shoulder-to-shoulder and boy scouts had also
combed the area immediately after her disappearance.
The Levy's lawyer strongly resisted initial attempts to pin
the murder on Sandique...

Read comments from years ago at this blog dedicated to the
memory of Chandra Levy:  http://www.chandra.alturl.com/