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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:55 AM
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Now, for a little Sunday flavor, Rahm Emanuel. “Undersecretary for Go Fuck Yourself"
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 12:23 PM by Pirate Smile
The Gatekeeper
Rahm Emanuel on the job.



by Ryan Lizza

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“They have never worked the legislative process,” Emanuel said of critics like the Times columnist Paul Krugman, who argued that Obama’s concessions to Senate Republicans—in particular, the tax cuts, which will do little to stimulate the economy—produced a package that wasn’t large enough to respond to the magnitude of the recession. “How many bills has he passed?”

Emanuel has heard such complaints before
. As a senior aide in the Clinton White House, he successfully fought a Republican Congress to pass the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (S-CHIP), which now provides health care for seven million kids. “I worked children’s health care,” he said. “President Clinton had pediatric care, eye, and dental, inside Medicaid. The Republicans had pediatric care, no eye and dental, outside of Medicaid. The deal Chris Jennings, Bruce Reed, and Rahm Emanuel cut for President Clinton was eye, dental, and pediatric, but the Republican way—outside of Medicaid. At that time, I was eviscerated by the left.” He slammed his fist on the desk, his voice rising. “I had sold out! Today, who are the greatest defenders of kids’ health care? The very people that opposed it when it passed,” Emanuel said. “Back then, you’d have thought I was a whore! How could we do this outside of Medicaid? They warned that it had to be in Medicaid—not that they gave a rat’s ass that the kid had eye or dental care. But, for getting it outside of Medicaid, we got kids’ eye and dental care. O.K.? That was the swap. Now, my view is that Krugman as an economist is not wrong. But in the art of the possible, of the deal, he is wrong. He couldn’t get his legislation.”

The stimulus bill was essentially held hostage to the whims of Collins, Snowe, and Specter, but if Al Franken, the apparent winner of the disputed Minnesota Senate race, had been seated in Washington, and if Ted Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, had been regularly available to vote, the White House would have needed only one Republican to pass the measure. “No disrespect to Paul Krugman,” Emanuel went on, “but has he figured out how to seat the Minnesota senator?” (Franken’s victory is the subject of an ongoing court challenge by his opponent, Norm Coleman, which the national Republican Party has been happy to help finance.) “Write a fucking column on how to seat the son of a bitch. I would be fascinated with that column. O.K.?” Emanuel stood up theatrically and gestured toward his seat with open palms. “Anytime they want, they can have it,” he said of those who are critical of his legislative strategies. “I give them my chair.”

His task has been made no easier by Obama’s desire for bipartisanship, which Emanuel argues the press has misunderstood. “The public wants bipartisanship,” he said. “We just have to try. We don’t have to succeed.” Still, he insisted, they have been succeeding. All Obama’s other major accomplishments to date—winning approval for three hundred and fifty billion dollars in additional funding for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), passing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, expanding S-CHIP, signing an executive order to shutter the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay and a memorandum to increase the fuel efficiency of cars—were supported by at least some Republicans. The G.O.P., Emanuel said, decided that opposing the stimulus “was definitional, and I will make an argument to you, both on political and economic grounds: they will lose. I don’t think the onus is on us. We tried. The story is they failed.”

When Emanuel said this, I noticed that over his left shoulder, on the credenza behind him, was an official-looking name plate, which he said was a birthday present from his two brothers. It read, “Undersecretary for Go Fuck Yourself.”

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David Axelrod is one of Emanuel’s best friends. (When Emanuel got married, to Amy Rule, Axelrod signed the ketubah, the traditional Jewish marriage contract.) The two men met in 1982, when Emanuel was a spokesman for a Naderite group called the Illinois Public Action Council and Axelrod was a reporter for the Chicago Tribune. Emanuel’s organization had just helped elect Lane Evans as the first Democratic representative from western Illinois in many years, and Emanuel was eager to get Axelrod to write about it. “He was just relentless,” Axelrod told me recently. “Rahm chased me down to the recovery room after my second child was born. He says, ‘What is it, a boy or a girl?’ I said, ‘It’s a boy.’ He said, ‘Mazel tov,’ and then a little pause. Then he says, ‘When do you think you’ll be back at work?’ ”

Emanuel and Axelrod crossed paths again in 1984, when Axelrod left journalism to run Paul Simon’s Illinois Senate campaign and Emanuel worked as a junior fund-raiser and field organizer for Simon. By 1988, Emanuel was a top staffer at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, or D.C.C.C. (the same organization that he ran as a congressman seventeen years later). “I did campaigns in ’86 and ’88 for him and with him,” Axelrod said. “Including the famous dead-fish race.”
More than any other story about Emanuel’s tactics—and there are lots of them—the tale of the “dead-fish race” came to define his public persona as a Democratic operative. He and Axelrod were working for David Swarts, a Democratic official from Erie County, New York, running an underfunded campaign for a congressional seat long held by Republicans. “We were rolling the dice on the race, just spending the money we had as it came in to try and get these numbers up,” Axelrod said. Their plan was to take a poll at the end of the contest which they hoped would show a competitive race and then use the results to help raise last-minute funds and overtake their opponent.

“The poll came back a week or two before the end, and it said we were down by seventeen,” Axelrod said. “And that was it.” According to Axelrod, Swarts’s campaign manager later studied the poll’s findings and concluded that the pollster had botched the analysis: the survey showed that Swarts was just five or six points behind. (The pollster says that the error was actually minor and quickly caught.) Axelrod added, “Had we gotten that correct poll then, we would have put our foot to the pedal. But it was too late. So Rahm, being as invested as he was in the thing, expressed himself as only Rahm can.” After the election, Emanuel and his colleagues hired a Massachusetts company called Enough Is Enough, which specialized in “creative revenge,” to send the pollster a box with a dead fish inside. Emanuel laughed mischievously when I asked him about the prank. “We had our choice of animals,” he said.

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Obama settled on Emanuel as early as last August. “It was months before the election when Barack said to me, ‘You know, Rahm would make a great chief of staff,’ ” Axelrod said. “He spent six years in the White House, knows this place inside and out, spent four or five years in Congress, and became a leader in a short period of time. He really understands the legislative process, he’s a friend who the President has known for a long time from Chicago, and whose loyalty is beyond question, and who thinks like a Chicagoan.”

Emanuel did not want the job. A few months before Election Day, Obama sent him an e-mail, with a warning: “Heads up, I’m coming for you.” Emanuel was a key negotiator in moving the TARP legislation through Congress, in October. After the bill cleared Congress, Obama, who supported it, sent Emanuel another e-mail. “I told you we made a great team,” he said. Emanuel wrote back, “I look forward to being your floor leader in the House.”

While Obama was wooing Rahm, Rahm’s older brother, Ezekiel, an oncologist and a bioethicist, served as a sounding board. “I probably spent half an hour every day being screamed at on the telephone by him,” he said. “ ‘I don’t want to do this. Why do I have to do this? Tell me I don’t have to do this.’ All of which said to me he knew he had to do it.” (Ezekiel told me that the rivalry among himself, Rahm, and their third brother, Ariel, a Hollywood agent who is the basis for the Ari Gold character on HBO’s “Entourage,” was so intense that they had to pursue careers in different cities. “We couldn’t possibly be within a thousand miles of each other, because the force fields just wouldn’t let it happen,” Ezekiel said. Rahm is now his boss; he works at the White House as an adviser to the budget director on health policy.)

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/02/090302fa_fact_lizza
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:03 PM
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1. Meh. I'm not a big Rahm fan. n/t
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:12 PM
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4. Sometimes it is helpful to at least understand a person's thinking behind what they do. This
article does that. Some people would rather assign horrible, nasty motives to people instead of understand that there is a reasonable rationale for what they doing. That doesn't mean you have to agree with them, of course. But it doesn't hurt to at least have an better more informed understanding.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:35 PM
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43. Ohh, titchy titchy. Where did I say the OP wasn't informative? I just said I'm not a big Rahm fan...
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 02:54 PM by Triana
...I don't like the guy. He's a jackass. And that's about his behavior, not his motives.

And where did I (aka "some people" (c)lame$tream media) "assign horrible nasty motives" to Rahm? Show us, please.

Where?

Be careful what you aSSume people are saying and stick to what they actually said, mmm'K? Otherwise - you end up acting like - well, a Republican or Republican-pwned media - flapping around all offended and squawking that someone said something they absolutely didn't. Good heavens.

:eyes:

Get a grip.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:58 AM
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97. I guarantee you, he'll get over it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:09 PM
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2. You're gonna get a whole lotta "ihaterahm", of course...
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 12:09 PM by BlooInBloo
And to DUers, that means that knowing more about him and his history is meaningless.

EDIT: I think the backgrounder is interesting, though.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:17 PM
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6. I see that and I expected it. I don't really know why people wouldn't want a better understanding
of why he does what he does. However, that could require changing their view somewhat and sometimes people just aren't willing to do that.

I liked the fact that the article gave his reasoning for his decisions.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:22 PM
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7. We're Americans. We don't believe in knowing much of anything.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:27 PM
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9. I liked it and laughed out loud.
He seems like an interesting, colorful character. "Undersecretary of Go-Fuck-Youself" is just the guy Obama needs at his side to get it done.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:14 PM
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38. He criticized Dean so he must be EVIL and CONSERVATIVE.
That's all a lot of people care to know about him but maybe this article will make some people realize that not liking Dean doesn't make someone an evil DLC tool.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:54 PM
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57. He didn't "criticize" Dean..he fucking
didn't appreciate what he did as Chairman of the Democratic National Committee just because it wasn't his way.

Rahm is doing his job for Obama admin but don't try to rewrite history.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:07 PM
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64. Nor should you rewrite history.
He did far more than criticize Dean. So don't you rewrite history either.

You can relax now. Rahm is in power, Dean is out. The DLC is in power, the Progressives are not.

Everybody say thank god.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:13 PM
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65. aaaawwwwhh
did that make poor howard feel unloved and unappreciated? So what? I'm sure Howard got over it. So can everyone else.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:17 PM
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71. It made an asshole outta of Rahm..
I hope he's over it.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 08:18 PM
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72. only to the two percenters
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freemarketer6 Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:11 PM
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3. I am not a fan of Emanuel. Sorry.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:16 PM
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5. I understand that Rahm has tax problems also.
What is WITH those Dem appointees and
paying taxes?

AFAIC, Rahm can go.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:29 PM
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11. You know it would be the same with the Repubs if not worse.
You might get some kiddie porn with the Repubs. So the tax thing seems to be more of a politician thing.
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:30 PM
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13. Interesting that those "tax problems" only
show up on right wing blogs.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:24 PM
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8. Who said you have to be a fan to read a profile in the New Yorker?
Ferchrissake ... say something pertinent to the linked article or don't say anything at all.

This is not a question of liking or not liking the subject. Someone posted a New Yorker profile piece. Read it and give some substantive response to its contents.
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freemarketer6 Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:16 PM
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26. It is if you make the wrong response and are ushered out. I
merely gave a non-specific response that suggested which way I was leaning.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:41 PM
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34. There is no such thing as a wrong response
But there are inappropriate responses, and I think that "I love Rahm" or "I hate Rahm" are both inappropriate responses.

If you had read the article, you could comment on (a) the historical role of the chief-of-staff, which is discussed; (b) your take on the problems of brokering legislation (whether you're for or against passing with compromises vs. not passing at all); (c) any detail described in the article that bolsters your opinion of whoy you don't care for this person.

But to not read something because you don't care for the person is like burying your head in the sand. I don't care for Robespierre, but I read about the French Revolution. I don't like Newt Gingrich, but I'd read a profile about him, just to see what makes him tick.




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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:39 PM
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52. Have you been ushered out before?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:39 PM
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44. I'm not either.
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freemarketer6 Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Good. Glad to see I'm not alone.
Well, I've take enough risks here today. I think I'll go bowling...before I have to sell my bowling ball.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:21 AM
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87. Me either. He reminds me of dozens of assholes that I used to work with in
the film industry. People who would roll over anyone to get what they wanted. It was all about the power and money-not a great set of priorities.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:36 AM
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82. For some reason, the President seems to be a fan of Emanuel
I wonder who knows more about politics, The President or you?
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:28 PM
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10. I wouldn't mind a "Rahm says, "Go Fuck Yourself!"" T-shirt...shit I'll make one.
Thanks for the thread. I like Rahm.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:30 PM
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12. I'm a huge fan of Rahm. A rare breed here, I know. nt
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:32 PM
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14. I'm a Rahm fan and I loved the story. Thanks you so much for
the link. I wouldn't have read it otherwise.

This is a man who gets stuff done. Heh.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:34 PM
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15. Ah, you changed the title
and got more action:bounce::P

I really don't know what to think yet..I know Obama likes him for the job so I'm giving him some time to form my opinion better.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:40 PM
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17. It needed more spice.
;)

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:39 PM
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16. Awesome piece, thank you. And it makes me wonder more if...
... well, nevermind.

But thanks!
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:43 PM
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18. I love his attitude. I wish more democratic politicians had his
gift of "in your face" negotiating. No one can ever accuse this guy of being run over by the republicans.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:48 PM
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21. Which is kinda what we need
after so many years of getting run over by fascist loudmouths.
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Brazenly Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:44 PM
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19. Rahm is a very results-oriented, effective guy.
He was a brilliant choice for Chief of Staff. These are not times for navel gazing in the White House. Some of the greatest problems in many years face the President. He needs a Chief of Staff who can get things done. Rahm's history here in Illinois is just that - a guy who calls it like he sees it and then does something about it.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 12:45 PM
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20. I'm glad Rahm is on our side. I like him! n/t
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:03 PM
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22. He's right - they need results, and they aren't executives of a
company, but part of a political process. While we have filibusters those 3 republics in the Senate have a lot of say. Finding a common ground and getting somewhere is betting than getting nothing but having ideological purity.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:09 PM
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23. Politics is a game with players, sponsors, and spectators ...
with no end, or winners.

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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:13 PM
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24. I've had my issues with Rahm but he is perfect for this job
I thought it was a great move by Obama. He needs a sonofabitch who knows Congress inside and out.

However, I still think they made mistakes with this stimulus but Obama himself admitted he probably should have done it differently, not giving the repukes anything and then making them own whatever they put in there. That is all I need to know, that he knows.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:25 PM
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30. Live and learn. Obama does learn from his mistakes and wont make them again.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:13 PM
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25. Interesting article. Thanks for posting it.
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RubyDuby in GA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:18 PM
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27. I wholeheartedly agree that Rahm can go fuck himself.
Once an ass...always an ass.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:23 PM
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29. Did you bother reading the article?
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 01:29 PM by Pirate Smile
If you didn't, I would recommend you read it. You can still hate him but at least you will understand what he is doing. It is too bad that he and Howard clashed because I think both of them are about actually getting sh#$ done for the American people.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:40 PM
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33. I read the whole article. Not why he clashed with Dean.
No, that is not why they clashed at all. Howard Dean was about extending the power structure outside of the few the elite the Rahm type people.

That was not wise of Dean at all. He should have known he would be brought down to earth when it was over.

One does not cross Rahm and the DLC and survive in the party's power structure.

The choice of Rahm sent a message to those of us who came into the party because of Dean. A loud and clear one.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:35 PM
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49. oh, BS!
by being willing to sacrifice the 2006 midterms to make some state party chiefs happy, Dean not only alienated Emanuel but it's become increasingly clear he ticked off Axelrod and Obama, as well.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:44 PM
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53. Wait....we won the 2006 midterms.
Rahm's handpicked fellows did not win that much really. That's the problem. He lost us a congressional seat in FL this time...from a pick he made for Mahoney. He kicked out a good Democrat who could have won.

Rahm, Axlerod, and Obama and Plouffe as well...think we are just a great big joke to them. And you and other DLCers think so, too.

There has been too much ridicule of those of us who see what is going on.

Hubby and I worked so hard for Obama, just to see the party turned over to Rahm and other insiders.

Good luck with that. The party treasures a man who despises progressives and treasures his use of the words "f*** you" like it is some kind of badge of honor.

And good people who see that we are needing to be watchful are getting the shaft.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:52 PM
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56. yes we did.
Rahm's handpicked fellows did not win that much really.

The record shows Emanuel's picks faired better than those backed by the netroots. Of Actblue's top 20 candidates, less than 10 won. 10 of the DCCC's top tier candidates won, but the fact you always want to ignore is these were red state targets - races we were not even supposed to win. Many more of the DCCC top 40 targeted races won.

You have no idea how a candidate in Florida or otherwise that could not win the primary would have done in the general.


Rahm won. Dean lost.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:57 PM
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61. Yes, you won. Rahm won. Dean lost. He is out of party leadership.
Wyldwolf is very happy now.

No, the record does not show that. Rahm picked a man with two mistresses because he was a millionair republican. Mahoney is out, we have no Dem in that district.

You won.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:18 PM
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101. +1
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:33 PM
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48. the failure of the person in your avatar demonstrates just why a president needs "an ass."
Carter was weak and got run over by his own party.

Howard Dean was a weak candidate and would have never won the general election. It's time people get over him and move on.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #48
54. Howard Dean and Jimmy Carter are each worth two Rahms any day.
They are good men who care about others.

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:54 PM
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58. Dean managed to win how many states in the 2004 primaries?
Dean managed to win how many states in the 2004 primaries? Just how well did Carter work with a Democratically controlled House and Senate?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:55 PM
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59. The DLC and the Rahm folks won. You won. The party is yours now.
So you can act superior if you wish.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:57 PM
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60. asking questions is acting superior?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:58 PM
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63. I am not playing your games anymore. You have the power here now.
You and the others with DLC power.

More power to you. Many of us tried.
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:58 PM
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62. yeah, and Kerry was a world better.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:14 PM
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66. apparently he was. He won the nomination
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:10 PM
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75. So did Carter in 80 and So did Mondale in 84
He still was a fucking loser and we would have been better off with someone one else against Reagan.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:47 AM
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78. which makes Dean an even bigger "fucking loser," right?
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 06:30 AM by wyldwolf
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:03 AM
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80. I guess the same could be said about Bill
Because if he kept his trap shut in the campaign Hillary would be President right now.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 07:48 AM
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81. nope, and not the same
Hillary's mistake was not taking caucus states seriously.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 11:08 PM
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74. Howard Dean was a better candidate than Kerry
Say what you want to say about Howard. At least you knew where the fuck he stood during that election.

Why the hell did Kerry win the primary...oh yeah we got this crazy notion he was the only guy with a chance because he had a war record...that fucking worked perfectly for us.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 05:47 AM
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79. Dean failed in the only way that can be measured,
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:19 PM
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28. I bought Rahm and Bruce Reed's book - The Plan and it really makes some great points!
You can check it out at the website:

http://www.readtheplan.com/intro.htm

I think Rahm has some characteristics which come out in his "colorful" language that don't necessarily give him credence when it comes to his actual brilliance! I would hope as he ages his vocabulary will too!
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:30 PM
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31. I read the snippets for now
I'll kick this for a later read. I like these sort of articles. Rahm's an interesting character. That's for sure. I do agree with a few others that he sounds very results oriented and loyal to the president's agenda. That's what's needed for his position.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:30 PM
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32. Rahm is going after Krugman now? I prefer Krugman, thank you.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 01:35 PM by madfloridian
Rahm and Bruce Reed also went after George Lakoff in their book called The Plan. They really hurt his reputation. Is that why Lakoff's Rockridge institute is shut down now?

Thoughts on attacks on progressives

He attacks Lakoff and defends Al From.

But Lakoff is flat-out wrong to suggest that Democrats are losing just because Republicans know all the right words. His favorite example is that conservatives learned to call tax cuts "tax relief." He's right that Republicans make a fetish out of using the most misleading, Orwellian words they can find. But let's be honest: Bush didn't manage to pass his tax cuts because he called them tax relief. (Most of the time, he called them tax cuts.) Bush got the chance to pass his disastrous tax cuts because Democrats were too slow to offer real tax reform proposals of our own. The tax debate illustrates what Al From, who founded the Democratic Leadership Council, has astutely observed: In a country with three self-identified conservatives for every two self-identified liberals, when neither side's agenda is sufficiently compelling, Republicans usually win by default.

The real danger of Lakoff 's analysis is that it reinforces Democrats' favorite excuse -- that Republicans have succeeded by pulling the wool over Americans' eyes, and that we'll start winning as soon as we learn the same dark arts.


Krugman, Lakoff, Dean, all disrespected by Rahm...and very much respected by me.

Rahm is the party hero, he will get amazing press. Others will not get that amazing press because of Rahm.

Obama wanted him, he's got him.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:48 PM
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69. And Rockridge was one of the best things we had going.
They were drawing in young, liberal entrepreneurs and crafting focused, intelligent talking points.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:50 PM
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35. What it boils down to now is...
we love Rahm or else. He controls the message to the Congress even more rigidly than he did when he was in the House.

He is admired for his telling everyone to go eff themselves. Others who spoke out about the right things are out of party leadership because of him.

How dare he put down Krugman?
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:20 PM
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100. A strawman on top of an appeal to authority
"we love Rahm or else" Who said that? Love whomever you want.

"How dare he put down Krugman?" Guess that means we have to love Krugman, or else?
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:55 PM
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36. Terrific article - Thanks
I liked what he said about bipartisanship.

His task has been made no easier by Obama’s desire for bipartisanship, which Emanuel argues the press has misunderstood. “The public wants bipartisanship,” he said. “We just have to try. We don’t have to succeed.” Still, he insisted, they have been succeeding. All Obama’s other major accomplishments to date—winning approval for three hundred and fifty billion dollars in additional funding for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), passing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, expanding S-CHIP, signing an executive order to shutter the detention camp at Guantánamo Bay and a memorandum to increase the fuel efficiency of cars—were supported by at least some Republicans. The G.O.P., Emanuel said, decided that opposing the stimulus “was definitional, and I will make an argument to you, both on political and economic grounds: they will lose. I don’t think the onus is on us. We tried. The story is they failed.”
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 01:59 PM
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37. The Sec of "Go Fuck Yourself" has a nice ring to it an Rahm fits the bill.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:27 PM
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39. I can see where Rahm would have some appeal....
...to those who are comforted by an authoritarian, Top Down, do as you're told or get fucked Democratic Party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:34 PM
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42. Yes, top down.
His criticisms of Krugman, Lakoff, and Dean among others have left me unable to get excited.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:31 PM
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40. He "thinks like a Chicagoan." That is why he makes a perfect COS.
The Republicans will not roll over him. If anything, they will get steamrolled.

He is part of the President's strategy for Getting Things Done.

Sure, his personality is pretty much love him or hate him, but we are a big tent. I am just praying for that day when he and Dean will smoke the peace pipe. And no, I'm not holding my breath.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:32 PM
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41. I Died Laughing When I Read About the Nameplate
Interesting fact that Obama began "courting" him for the COS job in August (and probably thought about it even before that).

I came across a very interesting old article in the WaPost dated January 07 where both of the Obama and Clinton campaigns were putting the "hard sell" to Rahm to join them. Sorry - I can't find the link now.

If both campaigns wanted him on their "side" then regardless of his personality, I think that speaks volumes about his abilities.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 02:46 PM
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45. I knew all this. I have met Rahm and STILL don't like him. This isn't "Change"
abd the "Chicago Way" isn't what I want to see running DC. Whatever. We got what we got.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:23 PM
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47. Bipartisanship: "we dont have to succeed, we just have to try"
And THERE you go!!!! He just confirmed it!!! The WHOLE plan is not to REALLY work with the GOP, but to convince the people that they're TRYING to work with the GOP because they know that's what most of the folks in the middle want to see.

LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

(doing Julio leaps of joy)

The ONLY thing that makes me sad is that knowing Chiefs of Staff usually have short tenures (because the job is so all-consuming.)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 03:46 PM
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50. The way people misread what people say is just astonishing.
I suppose they do it because they assume everybody else is as stupid as they are, so that they'll never get caught.
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Baikonour Donating Member (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:19 PM
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51. When debating a Nobel Prize winning economist...
...saying "what bills has he ever passed?" is nothing but an incredibly weak strawman.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 04:51 PM
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55. It was a putdown of Krugman.
Yes, weak argument.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:20 AM
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86. I disagree. It was a very valid point.
There's a big difference between policy and the sausage-making that goes on in legislative bodies. And I have yet to see Krugman acknowlege the difficulties of not having Kennedy and Franken available. There's only so many ways he can say "you guys suck!" before it starts to get old.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:39 AM
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91. If that was what he said, I might agree with you
All Krugman did was argue the specifics of the plan and he was hardly alone in suggesting that Obama capitulated to the republicans before they even demanded anything and the stupidity of doing that when they would not vote for it anyway.

Notably, Obama himself. He admitted that was a mistake.

Krugman was a fucking Liberal Idol here before he dared to criticize Obama and I and others will not go down the road of making the elected representative of the People untouchable.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:55 AM
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94. OMFG.
Krugman was a fucking Liberal Idol here before he dared to criticize Obama and I and others will not go down the road of making the elected representative of the People untouchable.

:rofl:

Obama mustn't be made untouchable but Krugman, OTOH, is God. Do you even listen to yourself?
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:57 AM
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96. Look, I have no problem with Rahm going after Krugman
It makes sense, his job is to defend Obama.

It that your job, too or do you have a serious criticism of anything Krugman said?



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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:12 PM
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99. I agree with Rahm that Krugman has never tried to get a bill passed.
Krugman's an economist, not a politician. It's easy for him (and others) to be a Monday morning quarterback and criticize Obama and the Dems in Congress for making "too many concessions to Republicans" but he doesn't have to consider all the factors they do. Sure, most Repukes ultimately voted against it, but the 3 crucial Republicans in the Senate did. Also, you'll recall there were several Democrats in conservative districts who were uneasy about some of the spending. And many of the middle class tax cuts in the package were campaign promises by Obama so they were going to be in there regardless.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 10:10 PM
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73. No, its a valid point.
A lot of academics are good at coming up with plans but many of them have no clue about what's politically realistic or how to get things done. Countless universities have policy discussions and issue policy papers and mostly it ends up being one big circle jerk that doesn't accomplish anything practical in the real world. Krugman is an armchair quarterback.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 12:30 AM
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76. And Krugman is probably laughing his arse off at Rahm's distemper.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 12:46 AM by chill_wind
And he'll write another column tomorrow, and the day after that, because that's the beauty of choices they are both free to make as far as what they do for a living. Sounds like Krugman is more confident in his own choices and wild horses couldn't drag him to go work for Rahm and shill for wall street pigs and corp welfare. Freedom of opinion outside the sacred WH fort is a GREAT thing.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:23 AM
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88. Krugman doesn't appear to take criticism very well
Yes, you're right that he'll write a bunch of columns. They'll be about what a poopyhead Rahm is.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:42 AM
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92. Neither do you
When it comes to your Personal Savior.

He is the President of the United States and Rahm is Chief of Staff and this is a democracy, we can and will criticize them whenever the hell we please.

Krugman was out there defending Obama against the republicans who are your real enemy, here.

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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:56 AM
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95. Oh good grief
You're the one having a tantrum because your hero (Krugman) is being picked on.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:58 AM
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98. No, read above.
It's people like you who can't stand any criticism of Obama.

Krugman isn't my hero but he makes some fucking sense here and I agreed with him.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:15 AM
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84. Oh FFS
Milton Friedman won a Nobel prize too. Big whoop.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:29 PM
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67. Rahmbo's da man.
Edited on Sun Feb-22-09 05:35 PM by Odin2005
"Emanuel was a spokesman for a Naderite group called the Illinois Public Action Council"

Gee, I faintly remember so-called "progressives" calling him a Corporatist. :eyes: :rofl:

"Under-Sec. of Go-Fuck-Yourself" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:38 PM
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68. He comes across as a major creep.
I didn't like him much before, after reading this I have even less respect for him.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:16 AM
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85. Well I think Kurt Cobain was totally overrated
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. :shrug:
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-22-09 05:53 PM
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70. I don't like Emmanuel at all.
I think he is a bully. He may be helpful as a gatekeeper for Obama, but there are alot of other people who could act as gatekeeper and yet more positive in terms of progressive issues and change,
than Emmanuel.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:18 AM
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77. LOVE rahm.
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brianna69 Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 10:50 AM
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83. I love Rahm. He's a total badass
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:23 AM
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89. Rahm in charge also insures no change in our policy towards Israel
and thus no justice for Palestinians or aggressive diplomacy towards a two-state solution.

Someday perhaps, media discussions about the Arab-Israeli conflict will have the wide variety of opinions that one can hear in the press all over the Middle East, including Israel. Emanuel won't help that happen, though, and thus one of the root causes of the "war on terror" remains unaddressed.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:35 AM
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90. Rahm is Secretary of State, too, now?
Come on, now.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 11:43 AM
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93. he's also President now...
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:31 PM
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103. He's not secretary of state.
Edited on Mon Feb-23-09 01:31 PM by jonestonesusa
However, in terms of access to and influence over the president, the chief of staff may have the higher position.

Am I wrong on the point about the policy?
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-23-09 01:24 PM
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102. File this under "He's an asshole, but he's OUR asshole!" n/t
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 06:11 PM
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104. I like Rahm too.
I don't like what happened between Dean and Rahm. I'd like to see the day when I say Dean was better off being outside this WH administration. Today is not that day.


Having said that, the more I hear about Rahm finding a place for himself, yelling and screaming about what he wants, and the rest...

I can't help but think more left leaning interest groups should be willing to get it done. Politeness is a good mannerly trait. Results are what constituents want. If you can be polite and get results at the same time, more is the better.
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