Am I the only one who thinks tonight was a breaking point

[kstewart33]

for the Guard story? Ms. Knox was a perfect witness for the Dems. She was plain spoken, smart, tough and to the point. She said the content of the memos was true (who now cares about typefaces?), that Bush's failing to take the physical was a big deal, and that his own colleagues resented him because he was essentially a spoiled brat.

She has shifted the issue from the documents authenticity to what they contain. She has handed the Dems a pot of gold. Now let's see how they spend it.

One other point: Rather said that CBS will continue to "aggressively" investigate what Bush did in the NG. The right wingers rattled Rather's cage and out came a lion. I expect they will focus on why Bush did not take the physical.

My best guess: he was doing drugs and feared he would be caught. If so, he would have been shipped to Vietnam and he knew it, or to prison.

[skooooo]

1. I'd like to think so..

..but I've gotten my hopes up before.

[Pegleg Thd]

9. From what I am seeing

of the looks on Rather's face every time he talks about bushyboy I think bush/rove and company have done something to get him totally P.O.'d. Rather has nothing to lose in taking this story wherever it leads and giving the world the truth about the bush scumbags. I say GO DAN--GIVE 'EM HEEL!!!!!:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[skooooo]

30. Dan's no fool...

...I think he knows exactly what he's doing.

[kikiek]

2. He should have been changed to active duty. Another aspect of

this story is who kept him from being changed to active duty, and who got him the honorable discharge.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Don't hold your breath...Lieberman et al. are the keystone cops...

of politics

[spooky3]

4. I'm more pessimistic on this than most DUers. I thought she

did a great job, but was not "cross-examined." Any witness can be taken apart and I am sure that we will see many attempts of this over the next days and weeks.

I am hopeful that CBS really has a full set of evidence and that, while any one piece of it can be attacked, when you look at the full set the picture becomes clear that they have the goods.

[gasperc]

5. the WH may have fucked the CIA but Rather

is on TV every night, he's got a relationship with his audience and he ain't going down without a fight

[wurzel]

6. Yes. The dam has broken. Even this crappy media can't ignore this.

ABC put it's own credibility on the line in running the Rove defense. Brokaw kept pretty quiet.

[Jackpine Radical]

7. The Big Story:

Tang Typist Declares Documents Forgeries.
Period.

[Must_B_Free]

11. naah - the blood has hit the water

it doesn't matter what it took, only that it has been spilled.

[wurzel]

16. That Lady was just too photogenic for that. Perfect TV personality.

They won't be able to resist.

[johnnyrocket]

20. But why would they be forgeries?!?

I've thought early on that there's something wrong with those memos. The fonts looked MS Word.

My theory was a preemptive strike by Rove to sully the story with bogus memos, in the hopes that it would throw the story for a loop.

Now, what would be golden is the original memos, that Knox typed, and the source of the forgeries found to be Rove.

[yardwork]

23. The documents were not created with MS Word

That has been completely debunked. Check out the numerous threads on this subject.

If they are forgeries, they were forged on a vintage typewriter of the right era, and it's not going to be easy to prove them as forgeries.

The original talking points put out by the right-wing attack machine on this have been completely debunked. Stop repeating them here.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

24. Knox says she didn't type them - but what Rather didn't ask her is

"Did Killian ever type his own?"

Her responses were very cagey - not calculated, but cagey - and I wonder what else CBS knows about the documents' origins.

She said at one point the memos looked more like part of a personal journal. As a former secretary I can attest a) people I worked for typed a number of their own documents and b) I could not know the content nor the extent of what they typed themselves.

[girl gone mad]

38. No..

that isn't what she said ("the memos looked more like part of a personal journal").

She said that keeping personal memos is sort of like keeping a personal journal. She was just clarifying why Killian would have been writing CYA memos to himself. It was just a way for him to keep a record of what was going on, in case he ever came under scrutiny.

[selmo7]

42. Forgeries because

As Mrs Knox herself speculated, someone wanted to get the information/content itself out and revamped the original memos in a way that they couldn't be traced and "forger" would not get in trouble. Info gets out - which is the goal.

[kodi]

35. word.

.

[KoKo]

8. Hopefully they have the drug info. Somebody must know...not everyone

can be bought off...or can they?

[merbex]

10. Breaking point? Finally,someone in the mainstream media

does their journalistic JOB, as Michael Moore would say, and look at the outcry

All Rather did was ask questions about B*'s NG service WHICH SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN 2000

Pot of gold for the Dems?

Let CBS fight this battle; all Dems should just sit back and enjoy

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. I agree, it's not about the memos

It's all of the evidence together:

* The paycheck records that show his 5 month absence.

* The fact that no one that served in Alabama at the time he says he was there can remember him.

* The Harvard professor that said that Bush told him that he'd gotten preferential treatment to get into the ANG, as well as his basic laziness as a student.

I agree about the physical. He knew that he would be grounded because of drugs and/or alcohol, and he knew that meant he could get shipped out. Even the campaign that he worked on in Alabama says that he used to drag himself in around noon and brag about how much drinking he'd done the night before.

[LiberalEsto]

13. I'm worried sick

about Mrs. Knox's safety.
I don't think there is anything that Karl Rogue would consider too vile to do.

[Cha]

18. Well, we should be..there were more than a

few who have expired before their time.

[yardwork]

25. I think Mrs. Knox is ok now that she has spoken on television

The cat's out of the bag. Silencing Mrs. Knox now won't help the smear machine.

The people I'm worried about are the anonymous sources of this and other stories - the ones who could be silenced preemptively. I agree that Rove and his machine would stop at nothing.

[Southern Patriot]

28. Think again. nm

nm

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

14. Yep.

I have loooong suspected drug use is a factor in his NG days.

But I have also long suspected any document mentioning that has "disappeared."

Rather might have been born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.

[olddem43]

15. It had better be done in a hurry - only 47 days left.

[Wednesdays]

40. Nah, 47 days is an eternity in politics...

We still have all the debates to go yet.

[Cha]

17. I couldn't believe my ears and eyes when

I saw the video on duer's phish's site!

Was this bush they were talking about? The most taboo subject, unless it was all LIES, of the 20th and 21st Century?!!!

I thought I had died and gone to Heaven!

Rather is the Man~

[MuseRider]

19. If nothing else

this proves that Bush* has credibility issues (like we did not already know that). Look what they did to Clinton. It basically came down to an issue of trust. OK, if Bush* is like this how can he be trusted.

[Turbo]

21. Nothing would be greater than to ....

see Bush and Rove get shafted with this Natl Guard thing.

But realistically, I don't think people will trust an 86-year old secretary no matter how credible she seemed on 60 Minutes.

We need some rock solid evidence against Shrub, something that can't be refuted with claims that "the witness is partisan" or "the documents are fake."

Unfortunately, I don't think this story will get the kind of attention that will change votes. It will just generate lots of noise about Dan Rather and where he got these documents in the first place.

[David Dunham]

22. Move beyond AWOL now. It is hurting Kerry in the polls.

Kerry cannot get his substantive message out with AWOL in the news.

[Wednesdays]

37. Looks like somebody's getting nervous...

:bounce:

[WilliamPitt]

26. No WMDs. Plame. Iraq. Afghanistan. 9/11. Chalabi. Abu Ghraib. Economy.

Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

29. You forgot: Little Old Lady from Texas

it's always what you least expect to be lethal... like the killer rabbit in Holy Grail :)

[Cha]

31. Precisely!

:)

[Must_B_Free]

39. Yeah-- as if those things didn't get enough play

all those non starters have been out for months and years. What have they done for us so far?

[blue neen]

27. Health Insurance, Jobs, Environment, Education.

Women's Rights, Social Security.

[Kammer]

32. More Guard records being release by the White House

In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24635-2004Sep15_2.html

[gcomeau]

33. Think the ink will be entirely dry?

>Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents
>had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days

-Grant

[drdigi420]

34. Bush didn't take the physical because he's a WIMP!

A pussy coward asshole loser prima dona with a yellow streak so wide it has its own zip code.

[NEDem]

36. Tonight is the breaking point.

The WH has finally been caught. And the ironic thing is that Drudge inadvertently will be responsible for taking down *.

[wickywom]

41. It should have been... again...

Cspan callers this morning ate up all my hope...
We apparently are dealing with the brainwashing of who knows how many Foxy viewers...
i think she is the best possible scenario .. at the moment.

That Karl Rove ... sure knows how to keep it interesting.
just remember the more he juggles the more underbelly he has to show.


yucky.