Obama has dropped the ball, bigtime on the Stimulus
Team Obama has allowed the GOP and media to frame the debate on the Stimulus package. The republicans send wave after wave of people to tv, radio, and print, and Obama is allowing this to happen. Obama needs to personally address the American public about the stimulus package and beat back the idiotic republican memes. He needs to understand that republicans will not vote for the package unless either: a) it has absurd amounts of tax cuts, or b) republicans receive a lot of pressure from their constituents. Obama needs to encourage people to contact their congressman and senators to make them vote for the package. There are a whole host of GOP congress critters that live in districts that went for Obama. Why isn't Obama using this?
9. keep saying that when we fall into a depression.
it was government spending that got us out of the Great Depression. WW2 just accelerated the government's spending and created millions of jobs. Unemployment during WW2 was very low. Now, I'm not saying we need another massive war, but we do need the level of spending that came with the war. Now, had we used the Clinton surpluses to pay off our national debt, then we could easily afford to through trillions at the problem to make it go away. As is, it looks like my generation is going to be paying for your wars, tax cuts, and social security for decades to come.
The national defense budget needs to be slashed in half. The government needs to restructure the way it does contracts. The government can no longer provide, cost+, no bid contracts. And when a company goes over budget on a project, then that should come from their pockets, no tax dollars. It isn't the government's fault that a company cannot live up to the terms of its contract.
I'm saying we need to spend as much money as we did during WW2. I agree that we need to drastically overhaul our energy grid and sources. The only thing keeping Kansas from being completely wind-powered is the lack of transmission lines in western Kansas.
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 08:50 PM by Cronus Protagonist
I never mentioned FDR OR Socialism, and if I did, I would support it because it worked for me in the past.
And did you not notice I mentioned regulating the markets? I did not promote "free" markets, and I never supported said in the past. As for FDR - all I know about him was from a recent PBS documentary, and if he supported building of bridges, power lines, roads, parks and such like, I'm ALL for that because that is the path to get us out of this hole... full employment and a strong infrastructure, neither of which will be achieved by handing cash to fascist CEOs in banks, industry or anywhere else for that matter.
He is giving them enough rope to hang themselves, and they can't see it! Many of them are to ingrained in the old politics of Bush, and think they have to try and make anything Obama does fail. Well the problem with that is americans want something to work and stop the downfall of our economy. The republicans that are to stupid to see what is going on will have a hard time in the next election. A lot of republicans and independents voted for Obama, and the new democrats in congress because they were tired of what was going on in D.C. the last 8 years. Obama knows this and I think he and his team are going to use his support of the american people to get rid of the republicans that are fighting any kind of change!
When you listen to them, the Obama rebuttle is almost audible. He knows when to hold 'em, when to fold 'em, and when to let the Republicans dig themselves into a dark pit, and when to turn on the flood lights.
This is a huge gamble for republicans, and one that probably won't work. Fine, let them stomp their feet and vote against it. They'll pay for that later.
I'm more and more comfortable with how Obama is handling this, especially after offhand (and freaking snarky) comments like the one in today's presser after the Hill meeting. "I'll watch fox news and feel bad about myself." I think that shows exactly how askeered he is of the GOP. Obama knows they're in the minority, and I think some people here forget that from day to day.
61. Agree. It is his MO to hand his opposition rope, let them put it around their
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 07:36 PM by Hansel
necks and then kick the chair out from under them.
He's simply not that easy. I think he knows who he can work with and who he can't. He will give them a chance, but I almost feel sorry for the Republican leadership trying to match wits with him. He's going to make them look very foolish if they don't abandon their Limbaugh strategy. Can't say he didn't warn them though.
68. He's going to give them every opportunity to get on board.
They'll vote against it, hoping not that it doesn't go through (it will), but that it fails--as conservative dogma instructs. Obama's betting the stimulus will have a broad and significant impact (it will--it's a shitload of money, and to the extent that it funds public works people will actually see stuff getting done and people working), and then we'll have even bigger majorities in 2010 because the Republicans will look like a bunch of uncaring obstructionist assholes, which is essentially what they are. They're in a box, but they're too dumb or too ideologically bound to know it. Or both. First rule of the Obama administration: underestimate him at your peril.
Until Barack Obama gives me REASON to doubt him, I'm not going to. When he officially "fails" at something, feel free to smack me out of my sheer elatedness and I might have something different to say. Until such time, he is still, without question, the smartest motherfucker in the room. So chill the fuck out. He's got this.
I love how despite the fact that he built the smartest political machine... well... maybe EVER, people seem to constantly think they are smarter than him and are constantly berating him with "advice". Here's a fact. If you think you're smarter than him... you're not.
8. Nah. Obama doesn't need most of them to vote for it.
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 05:30 PM by sparosnare
Just a few; and he will get that. Obama has made a bipartisan effort to include Republicans; those who are whining and decide to vote against it will have to explain to their constituents why. He's played this very well.
There's no need to beat back their idiotic republican memes - they are divided and no one is listening.
12. There's no need to be inclusive.. The repubs sure as hell never are...
All we need is 1 republican senator to break a cloture. We don't need a single GOP congressman. I say strip the tax cuts from the stimulus package, and increase spending. We can surely find one measly republican to go along. Maybe like one of the ladies from the Northeast?
10. This media machine of the right wing has been in place for 25 years
It will take more than just telling dem's to get out there and give their side of the message. They first have to develop a media machine that is receptive to it. But even if this existed this would be more with the house and senate leadership than Obama.
15. ha.. the house and senate Dem leadership is non-existent.
and I believe that is part of the problem. We need strong-willed leaders in Congress. How about Waxman as Speaker, and Feingold or Todd as Senate Majority Leader. We need somebody hard nosed and unafraid to piss off republicans. What we don't need is pansy ass Reid. The only thing he is good at is sending out emails from Ted Kennedy and Barbara Streisand.
28. we need to make the GOP actually be obstructionists.
We need to force the GOP to make a choice. I say, let the GOP rail against the stimulus bill. How will americans react when the GOP allows a bill that can provide millions of jobs and help the economy to fail? Will americans be receptive to a party that is fucking over the will of the people? We cannot coddle the GOP, we have to force them to fail.
42. very few people actually listen to those radio addresses.
What I meant was that Obama needs to hold evening addresses to the public on national tv networks. He needs to outline what he wants to do in the stimulus package. Maybe have a 30-45 minute address on tv to specifically outline his plan. Then, allow the repubs to attack it, and spin it heavily that they are trying to fuck the country. Get the backing of every major economist, and have them surrogate out their ass on tv.
75. Knowing Obama's game, he will likely make a pretty significant comment just shy of
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 08:59 PM by Parker CA
an official speech on the need to pass this stimulus and get the ball rolling towards recovery. It may not be aired in prime-time, but it will be replayed and will come at a time that brings the complete (as complete as it can be) public attention to the issue before the vote. At that time, if the pukes do not lend enough support to make this pass or if they do so only by a tiny margin, they will do so in the face of public awareness.
Obama is a shrewd and skilled man. He is setting the opposition up so that they and their own actions will inevitably lead to their own downfall. Minimal effort expelled on Obama's part and a tremendous reward of self-detonated implosion of the pukes. Win-win for team Obama, and plenty of energy in the reserves for the next confrontation or battle.
44. my thoughts exactly. Obama is falling into the same Clinton-trap
he is trying to compromise with the devil. Well, the GOP will never compromise, because the only thing they care about is getting back into power. If Obama fails, then that's good for the GOP. Do you think the GOP cares about the economy? Doubtful... they've all got high-paying jobs, the best benefits in the country, and they have all sorts of lobbyist friends to help them out once out of office.
53. WHAT? He's trying to do exactly what Clinton didn't do. Do you remember Clinton's stimulus package?
It passed with zero Repuke support and in return the Democrats got their ass kicked in the mid terms. Obama is living up to campaign promises and at the same time trying to get the Democrats in Congress some political cover.
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