Is 36,000 people personal enough yet, beyond just an abstraction?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

Why the big deal about Rick Warren? Why the big deal about prop 8? You gays are over-sensitive whiners... you talk about supporting Prop 8 like is was actually evil or something.

How does the prospect of the state forcing 36,000 happily and LEGALLY married people to get divorced against their will grab anyone? (Actually divorce would be better since at least that would acknowledge they were ever married instead of this Orwellian thing where their wedding never happened.)

I would hope this shows why some of us were aghast at Proposition 8 beyond other same-sex marriage initiatives. There are real, specific practical victims. It's not just about whether America is ready for something in the abstract. (Note who's leading the legal effort... famed "no political motivation" Clinton prosecutor Ken Starr.)

Prop. 8 sponsors seek to nullify 18K gay marriages
Source: San Francisco Chronicle

The sponsors of Proposition 8 asked the California Supreme Court on Friday to nullify the marriages of the estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who exchanged vows before voters approved the ballot initiative that outlawed gay unions.

The Yes on 8 campaign filed a brief arguing that because the new law holds that only marriages between a man and a woman are recognized or valid in California, the state can no longer recognize the existing same-sex unions.

"Proposition 8's brevity is matched by its clarity. There are no conditional clauses, exceptions, exemptions or exclusions," reads the brief co-written by Pepperdine University law school dean Kenneth Starr, the former independent counsel who investigated President Bill Clinton.

The campaign submitted the document in response to three lawsuits seeking to invalidate Proposition 8, a constitutional amendment adopted last month that overruled the court's decision in May that briefly legalized gay marriage in the nation's most populous state.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/12/19/state/n150241S64.DTL&tsp=1

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3652965

[Liberal Veteran]

1. So it wasn't the Mormons?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. The LDS provided a big chunk of funding but I don't think they initiated the prop. itself.

???

[Jackeens]

2. K&R

[JohnnieGordon]

4. Don't forget all the children involved

The type of gay couples that get married often have children. Can you imagine the state ripping apart your parents' marriage? Whoa..

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. always a good point