Does an inauguration invocation (speech) equal any power in this administration?

[stevietheman]

Nope.

So, while I'm gay, I'm not outraged. Disappointed, yes.

But Warren doesn't get to make one decision for the people. Not one.

[Cattledog]

1. Thank You!

[polichick]

2. It just pollutes a very special and symbolic day.

[Cattledog]

4. No it doesn't.

Hell I don't believe in any BS religion and I'm not offended by a prayer.

[LostinVA]

7. Yes, it does

[Cattledog]

10. No it doesn't.

It's just just adds a little edge to the event!

[LostinVA]

14. I don't take my rights so lightly -- it's ruined for me

Just as the election was pretty much ruined by Prop8.

I'm impressed with the high level of empathy you have for your fellow brothers and sisters.

[polichick]

9. It's not the prayer, it's the bigot saying the prayer.

[Cattledog]

12. In reality all prayers are bigoted that's a given.

The history of the word:


A person who is bigoted : religious bigots. See note at zealot .
ORIGIN late 16th cent. (denoting a superstitious religious hypocrite): from French, of unknown origin

[LostinVA]

15. That's also not rue -- wtf are you talking about?

You need to learn something about Liberal Christians.

[Cattledog]

18. All religious people are delusional !

Jesus was on a suicide mission.


:evilgrin:

[stevietheman]

8. As long as Warren doesn't say anything terribly stupid, I'll be fine. n/t

n/t

[nichomachus]

19. So, if he had a KKK member on the dais

in a non-speaking role, you'd see no problem?

[stevietheman]

24. No, I wouldn't. And that's b/c that wouldn't happen. n/t

n/t

[Maven]

3. Oh, just wait. You think this is the end of Obama - Warren?

You think he won't be sticking around?

:rofl:

You are mistaken.

[stevietheman]

5. Where might I buy a crystal ball? You seem to have one in possession. :) n/t

n/t

[Maven]

6. Canal St.

:hi:

[LostinVA]

16. Apparently, as per "Audacity of Hope, he and PE Obama are old buddies

[GarbagemanLB]

13. Yep. He and Obama will be working together to destroy all advances gays have made in the past decade

They are BFFs now.

[emilyg]

11. K/R #5

[nichomachus]

17. Yes -- it actually does.

The first words we will hear from the new administration -- after George Bush vacates the White House -- will be the bigot Rick Warren. That sets the tone for the administration.

That is an extremely powerful statement.

Obama is essentially anointing Warren as the "pope of America."

[stevietheman]

23. Oh come on. You don't even believe that. n/t

n/t

[mopinko]

20. stop making sense, damn you.

common ground, people, common ground.
and i could give 2 shits about these religious nuts, but i wish i had a nickel for every time al franken pointed out the hypocrisy of fundies who don't give a shit about the poor. i wouldn't really know, but i hear tell that is part of the warren schtick. more power to that.

that was obama's message, tho- we must get past our differences to move forward. together.

[nuncvendetta]

21. Yes, the power of the bully pulpit

The power to use a public forum that millions upon millions of people will see to do things that connote leadership and send messages, both explicit and implicit. I want the implicit message sent that gay bashing is so last century. If Obama cannot help lead us away from this bigotry, then who will?

[kestrel91316]

22. Nope. And how do we know that Obama won't make reference

to the OLD way of thinking of Warren and his ilk in comparison to the NEW way of thinking of the guy giving the benediction (who is quite progressive). He may be using this as a way of demonstrating CHANGE.

[EFerrari]

25. The inaugural is Obama's choices in action.

If you want to defend them, that's your perogative.

If you want to argue that this carefully produced event doesn't matter, you might consider that Obama disagrees with you.

[stevietheman]

27. I'm not defending it nor making that argument. n/t

n/t

[EFerrari]

28. With respect, you are minimizing. n/t

[stevietheman]

30. Please expand that thought. n/t

n/t

[Clio the Leo]

26. Hmm, I'm not sure. Let's ask Stephen Chu! :-) NT

[Bucky]

29. Hanging a noose from a tree is only symbolic.

I'm not gay, but if I were, I'd regard Warren praying for the nation as a kind of noose.

[Uzybone]

31. I would not be out of line to call you a bigot

Hanging a noose, burning a cross; those are not just symbolic, those a threats to people lives. Nutjob Warren speaking, while odious and a bad decision, is just him talking. He will not say one thing about gays at the inauguration.

How you can compare noose-hanging and an invocation prayer is beyond me.

[stevietheman]

32. Well, I am gay, and I think there's a lot more important problems going on in this country than...

whether a preacher speaking at Obama's inauguration agrees with me 100% on gay rights.

If we go into a depression, I may even forget I'm gay!

[judasdisney]

33. What a totally useless, unnecessary, zero-profit betrayal.

If you're going to betray your base, make it pay-off with something.

This is zero-profit.