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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:07 AM
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Obama is a homophobe! Oh, the horror! Gay man tapped for Sec. of the Navy? Maybe?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:09 AM by Liberal_Stalwart71
Thursday, December 18, 2008

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/18/gay-man-backed-for-navy-secretary/

Gay man backed for Navy secretary



Stephen Dinan (Contact)

Some top retired military leaders and some Democrats in Congress are backing William White, chief operating officer of the Intrepid Museum Foundation, to be the next secretary of the Navy - a move that would put the first openly gay person at the top of one of the services.

The secretary's job is a civilian position, so it would not run afoul of the ban on gays serving in the military, but it would renew focus on the "don't ask, don't tell" policy as President-elect Barack Obama prepares to take office.
"He would be phenomenal," said retired Gen. Hugh Shelton, who was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from 1997 to 2001, pointing to Mr. White's extensive background as a fundraiser for veterans' and military causes.

Retired members of the Joint Chiefs have contacted Mr. Obama's transition team to urge them to pick Mr. White, and members of Congress said he would be a good choice for a service secretary.

"He's very capable," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler, New York Democrat, whose district includes the Intrepid Museum, a retired aircraft carrier berthed on the Hudson River in New York City.

Mr. Nadler said Mr. White has become a friend of the military, and particularly the service members and their families, both through the Intrepid and through Fisher Houses, which offer a place to stay so families can be close to military members who are receiving medical care.

A spokeswoman for the Obama campaign said they won't comment on personnel decisions.

Others are in consideration, such as Juan Garcia, a former naval aviator who was defeated for re-election to his seat in the Texas House. Mr. Garcia is friends with Mr. Obama from their Harvard Law School days and was chairman of Mr. Obama's Texas campaign.

Democratic members of Congress from Texas sent a letter to Mr. Obama earlier this month supporting Mr. Garcia for the position.

A spokesman said Mr. White would not comment.

If Mr. White were nominated, he likely would face questions during a Senate confirmation hearing over how his nomination would square with the military's policies on gays.

In 1993, President Clinton signed into law a ban, and White House and congressional leaders settled on a new policy known as "don't ask, don't tell." Under it, gay service members must keep their sexuality private or face expulsion. About 12,500 people have been discharged under the policy.

Supporters of the ban said nominating Mr. White would send the wrong signal.

"It's a matter of judgment, and I think that would be very poor judgment on the part of the commander in chief," said Elaine Donnelly, president of the Center for Military Readiness, which opposes gays serving in the military. "It would be very demoralizing to the troops."

But Mr. Nadler said the military policy that says gays are a threat to unit cohesion is "nonsense," and it shouldn't apply to Mr. White anyway because as secretary "he's not in the foxhole, he's not on the ship."

Gen. Shelton called Mr. White's work at both the Intrepid Museum and the Fisher House Foundation "legendary."
"He has always been a staunch advocate of our men and women in uniform," Gen. Shelton said.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:12 AM
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1. Why do I hear a certain Village People tune playing when I read that?
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:13 AM by YOY
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:14 AM
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3. My father was in the Navy and he is a gay man. Kinda interesting...
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:27 AM
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18. My father was too. (Navy...not gay). His bunkmate was gay.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:33 AM by YOY
Nobody was cruel to the guy (according to pop...he's not a hater but total fiscal conservative) but he was, according to my father, prone to cross-dressing and was bequeathed the title "Miss Kitty Hawk".

Pop is as straight as an arrow...and his secret porn collection I unearthed as a child proves it.
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:28 AM
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19. Was the Navy using this song in recruitment ads?
Or is it just my misremembering events from 30 years ago?
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:31 AM
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22. Yes. Yes it was. Of course back then the rumor that they were gay was denied by record companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Navy

Actually, I think one of them was straight...or at least married a woman(the lead singer?) maybe I am wrong.

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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:42 AM
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24. Really? One of them was straight?
I never knew that. Everybody else in that group was gay, I think. Including the creator, Jacques Morali.

What I always wondered, at that time, was whether the Navy, and straight people in general, realized that In the Navy & YMCA were "gay'" songs, full of double entendre, that nevertheless crossed over into huge mass-market appeal. It was disco, too, which everybody loves to hate.



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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:48 AM
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28. Victor Willis, the original VP cop.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Willis

Married at one point in time to Felicia Rashad of the Cosby Show. Now married to another woman.

Guess he's straight (or possibly bi.)
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:06 AM
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37. He left, and the hits stopped coming
And then he came back to the group, but it was too late.

It must not have been easy for a straight (or bi) man writing those songs for that group, and may explain why he seemed to not to want to have much association with the Village People brand for so long. Still, the Village People made him a lot of money off song royalties apparently. Bought him lots of drugs.



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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:47 AM
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27. dupe
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:48 AM by YOY
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:13 AM
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2. Obama is definitely a homophobe-enabler
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:14 AM
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4. Sadly that appears to be the case. n/t
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:17 AM
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6. Thank you. And what does this article actually say?
He's being "pushed." He's not being considered.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:18 AM
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10. Yup -- the Joints are more inclusive
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:18 AM
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8.  by the same token, he's a GLBT rights "enabler"
in fact, there's more evidence that he's supportive of GLBT rights than that he's a homophobe enabler. He has a history of supporting and sponsoring GLBT legislation and speaking up for GLBT rights that goes back over a decade.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:16 AM
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46. Then please explain why Rick Warren is giving the invocation n/t
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:17 PM
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59. crass and wrong political calculation and it is enabling a homophobe
I'm not justifying it. I'm simply pointing out that he's got a long history of sponsoring and supporting GLBT friendly legislation.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:30 PM
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66. Barack Obama
is giving a public forum to a man that says that homosexuality is the equivalent of incest and child molestation. That is really all I need to know about the way Obama feels about gay rights.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:50 PM
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69. fine. fight to defeat Obama in 2012 then.
and I see it doesn't bother you at all that Warren is every bit as anti-women as he is anti-gay.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:22 PM
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73. First of all
Don't assume that I am not completely disgusted with Warren's views on women and a womans right to choose. Your assumptions are unfounded and frankly reaching. I am not ready to campaign against Obama yet, but I supported Obama for years, he was my Senator. And frankly his cabinet pics and now Warren have disappointed me. Cali, you look for fights on DU constantly I am not taking the bait.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:21 AM
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:23 AM
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13. "I have very little empathy for white gay people"
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:24 AM by LostinVA
"We fought for years just for BASIC FUCKING rights that you take for granted."

Your habit of dropping nasty anti-gay posts into GLBT issue threads has finally jumped the shark with this one. Oh, and since when has marriage been "symbolic"? I was always under the impression it's a legal, contractual institution. Silly little white gay me!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:23 AM
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:25 AM
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15. They post this shit in almost EVERY gay thread
WHY are they here?
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:25 AM
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16. I have no empathy for you.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:26 AM by Rockholm
Nor do I have sympathy for you. Creep.
On edit, I am actually repulsed by many of the sexual things that heteros do.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:26 AM
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17. are you fucking kidding me?
there are many places - including the US Military - that can fire you for being gay

many in this country equate being gay with pedophilia, bestiality, arson, larceny etc etc etc.

I don't want you to empathize with me - I don't give a fuck. Just once I would like to hear one of BHO's supporters admit the man made a bad choice -

I wonder if you went down the symbolic road of marriage?

Peace

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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:28 AM
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20. I will say MANY Obama Primary supporters are outraged by this
Only a few aren't.

And, the poster you're replying to makes me sick. Their views are disgusting.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:47 PM
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68. I was an Obama primary supporter
I donated to his campaign because I believed in him. I am very disappointed in this decision and frankly it makes me sick.
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:32 AM
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23. I think he made a mistake here, yes. But I expected more of an eyeball roll.
Not the explosive outrage we are seeing here.

If anything, Obama got too ahead of himself with the "One America" thing. Maybe this is not the forum to make these concessions yet.

But you guys need to chill out.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:44 AM
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25. After YOU post broadbrush racist and phobic things, you tell US to "chill"
:rofl:
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:48 AM
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30. Criticize Obama if he fails to close Gitmo, or he doesn't end the War, ...
or he continues the policies of unbalanced taxation.
or if he turns out to be overly hawkish

But not this small stuff. He is the first black President. I am emotionally invested.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:50 AM
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31. Sorry civil rights are "small stuff" to you -- aren't you glad Dr. King didn't think that?
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elkston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:53 AM
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34. Its not the same level of "civil rights" and you know it. (eom)
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:09 AM
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40. Well, I DO know it's the "same-level of civil rigfhts" -- telling that you don't
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:12 AM
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44. So some people are more human than others?
Interesting. Which of your rights would you like voted away today?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:13 AM
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45. GLBT rights are apparently inferior to others' civil rights
This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, right???
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:19 AM
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48. Well, it used to be a Democratic site.
Now I think it's more some kind of weird personality cult worship shrine or something.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:34 PM
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64. So if we don't immediately declare our undying hatred of Obama for this, we're cultists?
Does anyone here think they'd have fared better under McCain/Palin? Seems as if.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:21 AM
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49. That's what I thought.
I can't believe people who "fought for rights" turn around and start tossing other people out of the lifeboats. Is is some kind of civil rights NIMBYism? A wasting brain disease?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:22 AM
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50. It's too much Kool-Aid. n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #34
53. It would help if you knew what you were talking about
when it comes to civil rights for gay people.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:36 PM
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62. You've got to be fucking kidding me! THAT statement says it all - You're an ASSHOLE - that's no
doubt.

Gay rights IS civil rights, you fucking BIGOT!!!

Go away TROLL...
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:51 AM
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32. Don't F*CKING tell us what to be concerned about
"I have very little empathy for white gay people." -elkston

We see where you are coming from.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:10 AM
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41. "Its not the same level of "civil rights" and you know it"
Can you BELIEVE they posted that? How against teh rules is THAT?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:11 AM
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43. The rules don't seem to apply to this poster. n/t
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:26 AM
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54. They should apply as DU supports gay rights.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:23 AM
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52. Some people think that civil rights is only for one protected group
Of course it 's not the same, gays aren't "people." :grr:

They don't even have a f*cking clue about their own bigotry.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #30
63. So you're a RACIST AND a HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT!
Nice.

Obama's BLACK - that's all you care about...

well - FUCK YOU...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:29 AM
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21. .
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 10:34 AM by Guy Whitey Corngood
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:48 AM
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29. "I have very little empathy for white gay people"
The... nail... in ...the... coffin of that rancid reply.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:55 AM
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:07 AM
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38. He's posted nothing but homophobic bullshit since he first slithered into DU,
and yet nothing ever happens to him.

Funny how that works, isn't it?
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:11 AM
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42. "Its not the same level of "civil rights" and you know it"
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 11:11 AM by LostinVA


:wtf:

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #42
56. Proudly showing a complete ignorance of gay rights
and phobia on so many levels. :grr:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #42
57. Proudly showing a complete ignorance of gay rights
and phobia on so many levels. :grr:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:09 AM
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:18 AM
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47. lol wut?
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:29 AM
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55. "We fought for years just for BASIC FUCKING rights that you take for granted."
And who do you think was among those with Dr. King (and many other civil rights heroes) in the trenches fighting for the rights you enjoy today?

That's right. Gay white people. The same people you are deriding with this disgusting post. So when can we count on your support to help us secure our rights?

Get a fucking clue.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:55 PM
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71. Didn't Dr. King say
"No one is free as long as others are oppressed"?
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:49 AM
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58. I'm a nonwhite straight guy, and I think you're full of shit.
Get a fucking clue.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:24 PM
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60. Thanks, Pevkins
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:26 PM
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61. All I can say is you should be SO ashamed of yourself.
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:31 PM
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67. you're a one trick pony
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:15 AM
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:18 AM
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9. Why am I being called an asshole?
While I am disturbed by Obama's distance from liberals and very upset with the Warren choice, I don't believe that Obama is a homophobe. He's probably an enabler, however.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:22 AM
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51. I don't believe he is either. The choice of Warren still should be criticized.
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 11:23 AM by IAmJacksSmirkingReve
This does not send a message of inclusion. They swung and missed on this one. Badly.

EDIT: really bad title typo
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:19 AM
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11. Cognitive dissonance. It is a bitch.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:46 AM
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26. Did you vote for him?
:shrug:
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 11:02 AM
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36. There are some members of DU
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 11:04 AM by Upton
who seem to think it's sacrilegious to criticize Obama for anything....Even the best of us can make mistakes, and the Warren choice is a big one.
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Sannum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:17 AM
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7. ahem
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:53 AM
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33. Is it wrong that I didn't know that there was still a Secretary of the Navy?
I thought that all the branches had been condensed into the Defense Department. Huh.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:42 PM
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65. Each branch still has a Secretary
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:43 PM by krispos42
The Marines are adminstratively part of the Navy, but the Corps has a Commandant.


Originally there was the Department of War that ran the Army and the Department of the Navy, which ran the Navy and Marines.

The Air Force was originally part of the Army, first as the Army Air Corps and then as the Army Air Force. However, it got so big that after WW2 it was spun off into its own branch.




The Coast Guard is part of the Dept. of Homeland Security. Previously part of the Dept. of Justice, and before the the Dept. of the Treasury.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:58 PM
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72. Jim Webb was once the SON.
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70. So everyone ignore the Rick Warren thing, because he is hiring a gay..
What is the bigot to gay ratio we should be looking for? 1:1 or 3:1 or 19:1?
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