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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:48 AM
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Does Obama Support the LGBT Community? You Decide:
Human Rights Campaign 2008 Presidential Questionnaire – Senator Barack Obama

“The Human Rights Campaign envisions an America where lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people are ensured of their basic equal rights, and can be open, honest and safe at home, at work, and in the community.”

1. Currently, there is no federal law protecting individuals from job discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. Qualified, hardworking Americans can still be denied job opportunities, fired or otherwise be discriminated against just because of their sexual orientation in 33 states and because of their gender identity in 42 states As president, would you support and work for passage of a federal bill that would prohibit job discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity?
Support 
Comments: I believe the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. I sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban discrimination in employment on the basis of sexual orientation.

2. Currently the federal hate crimes law does not protect all Americans from bias‐motivated violence. Would you support federal legislation that adds sexual orientation, gender, gender identity and disability to existing federal law giving authority to the federal government to investigate and prosecute violent crimes (H.R. 1592)? This authority already exists for crimes committed because of the victim’s race, color, religion and national origin and because they were attempting to exercise a federally protected right. 
Support
Comments: I am a co-sponsor of the Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act, which would expand federal jurisdiction to reach violent hate crimes perpetrated because of the race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity or physical disability of the victim.

3. New treatments have improved the quality of life for those living with HIV/AIDS, but those treatments are expensive, and not available to everyone who needs them. Years of flat‐funding for the Ryan White Care Act has forced states across the country to institute waiting lists, limit formularies, and other cost containment measures. The CARE Act provides access to life‐saving treatment and care for over half a million low‐income Americans with HIV/AIDS.
Would you support increased funding for this critical program?
Support
Comments: Throughout the reauthorization process of the Ryan White Care Act (RWCA), I worked closely with RWCA service providers, the Chicago Department of Public Health, and the Illinois Department of Public Health to analyze and find ways to improve the program for Illinois and for the nation. I will continue to protect the multifaceted care upon which RWCA beneficiaries depend.

4. Would you support the Early Treatment for HIV Act (ETHA), S. 860, federal legislation that would allows states the option to provide Medicaid coverage to low‐income, HIV positive Americans. Currently, only Americans that can be considered disabled are eligible for Medicaid coverage, excluding those who are HIV positive but have no symptoms of the disease? Support
Comments: I have co-sponsored legislation to bring Medicaid coverage to low-income, HIV-positive Americans.

Would you support increased funding for HIV/AIDS prevention, treatment and research? 
Support

5. Would you support the Responsible Education About Life (REAL) Act which would create a federal grant program to channel money to states that choose to teach comprehensive and age‐appropriate sex education for America’s students that includes science‐based prevention methods?
Support
Comments: In addition to supporting the REAL Act, I am also an original co-sponsor of the Prevention First Act, which will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

6. Currently, only Massachusetts recognizes equal marriage rights for same sex couples. Do you believe the civil institution of marriage (with absolutely no requirements imposed on religious institutions) should be made legally available to two committed adults of the same sex?
Oppose

If you do not believe that civil marriage for same‐sex couples should be made available to same‐sex couples on the same basis as opposite sex couples, is there any legal construct you do embrace that would extend legal recognition to same sex couples?

I believe civil unions should include the same legal rights that accompany a marriage license. I support the notion that all people – gay or straight – deserve the same rights and responsibilities to assist their loved ones in times of emergency, deserve equal health insurance and other employment benefits currently extended to traditional married couples, and deserve the same property rights as anyone else.

However, I do not support gay marriage. Marriage has religious and social connotations, and I consider marriage to be between a man and a woman. If I was President, however, I would oppose any effort to stifle a state’s ability to decide this question on its own. Whether it was a Constitutional amendment banning gay marriage or a bill like the Defense of Marriage Act, I would oppose such efforts. I think the President should do all he or she can to advance strong
families. Whatever the make-up of the family, it is the President’s role to provide policies and leadership that enable the family to thrive.


If a state has taken the steps to recognize same sex couples and their families for purposes of state‐based benefits, rights, privileges and responsibilities (such as marriage in Massachusetts and civil unions in Vermont and Connecticut), should the federal government recognize the state’s legal recognition of such couples and families for purposes of federal benefits and tax treatment? 
Support

7. According to a 2004 GAO report, over 1,100 benefits, rights and privileges are provided to married couples and their families in federal law that are not available to same‐sex couples. Do you support extending federal benefits, rights, privileges and responsibilities to same‐sex couples (and their children) provided the partnership meets certain federal standards of commitment and mutuality of interest?
Support

Specifically, do you support the expansion of the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover domestic partners and their children?
Support

Do you support modifying the Social Security System to pay survivor benefits to the same‐sex partners of gay and lesbian people?
Support

Do you support fair and equal tax treatment of same sex couples on the same basis as married couples?
Support

8. Many gay and lesbian people serve in the federal government but do not receive the same health insurance and other employee benefits of married couples. Do you support domestic partner coverage for gay and lesbian employees of the civilian federal workforce?
Support

9. While 47 states allow gay and lesbian people to adopt children, some legislators are pushing to prohibit capable, committed adults from adopting because of their sexual orientation. As president, would you support giving appropriate judicial authorities the full authority to make decisions on adoption based on the best interest of the child, without bans based solely on sexual orientation?
Support
Comments: I believe there are too many children who need loving parents to deny one group of people adoption rights. A child will benefit from a healthy, loving home, whether the parents are gay or not.

10. Would you support the Uniting American Families Act which would enable an American citizen to petition for immigration sponsorship for a same-sex partner, and the INS would treat the relationships between opposite and same-sex couples in the same manner under the immigration code? 
Support
Comments: As someone who believes that homosexual couples should have the same legal rights as married couples and that our immigration laws should unite families, I support the Uniting American Families Act in concept. But I also believe that changes need to be made to the bill to minimize the potential for fraud and abuse of the immigration system.

11. Would you support a congressional repeal of the “Donʹt Ask, Donʹt Tell” policy which would allow gay, lesbian, and bisexual soldiers the right to serve openly in the military as is currently the policy in nearly every NATO country (H.R. 1246)?
Support
Comments: I believe that we need to repeal the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. We also have evidence that Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell is not working. A 2005 GAO report found that the policy has resulted in a significant loss of service members in critical occupations and with important language skills like Arabic and Korean. Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General John Shalikashvili said times have changed and that, "I now believe that if gay men and lesbians served openly in the United States military, they would not undermine the efficacy of the armed forces."

http://a4.g.akamai.net/f/4/19675/0/newmill.download.akamai.com/19677/anon.newmediamill/pdfs/obama.pdf

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Q: Do you believe that it is something that you are born gay or that you can change your behavior?

A: I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice.

Source: Meet the Press: 2007 "Meet the Candidates" series Nov 11, 2007

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Q: Last year some parents of second graders in Lexington, Massachusetts, were outraged to learn their children's teacher had read a story about same-sex marriage, about a prince who marries another prince. Would you be comfortable having this story read to your children as part of their school curriculum?

A: My 9-year-old and my 6-year-old are already aware that there are same-sex couples. And my wife and I have talked about it. And one of the things I want to communicate to my children is not to be afraid of people who are different, and because there have been times in our history where I was considered different. And one of the things I think the next president has to do is to stop fanning people's fears.

Q: Have you sat down with your daughters to talk about same-sex marriage?

A: My wife has. (I know some of you will blast him for this)

Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate at Dartmouth College Sep 6, 2007

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It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all citizens equally. I come from that in part out of personal experience. When you're a black guy named Barack Obama, you know what it's like to be on the outside. And so my concern is continually to make sure that the rights that are conferred by the state are equal for all people.

That's why I opposed DOMA in 2006 when I ran for the Senate. That's why I am a strong supporter not of a weak version of civil unions, but of a strong version, in which the rights that are conferred at the federal level to persons who are part of the same sex union are compatible.

When it comes to federal rights, the over 1,100 rights that right now are not being given to same sex couples, I think that's unacceptable, and as president of the United States, I am going to fight hard to make sure that those rights are available.

Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007

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Q: You have said in previous debates that it is up to individual religious denominations to decide whether or not to recognize same-sex marriage. What place does the church have in government-sanctioned civil marriages?

A: It is my strong belief that the government has to treat all citizens equally. I don't think that the church should be making these determinations when it comes to legal rights conferred by the state. I do think that individual denominations have the right to make their own decisions as to whether they recognize same sex couples. My denomination, United Church of Christ, does. Other denominations may make a decision, and obviously, part of keeping a separation of churches and state is also to make sure that churches have the right to exercise their freedom of religion.

Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007

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Q: If you were back in the Illinois legislature where you served and the issue of civil marriage came before you, how would you have voted on that?

A: My view is that we should try to disentangle what has historically been the issue of the word "marriage," which has religious connotations to some people, from the civil rights that are given to couples, in terms of hospital visitation, in terms of whether or not they can transfer property or Social Security benefits and so forth. So it depends on how the bill would've come up. I would've supported and would continue to support a civil union that provides all the benefits that are available for a legally sanctioned marriage. And it is then, as I said, up to religious denominations to make a determination as to whether they want to recognize that as marriage or not.

Source: 2007 HRC/LOGO debate on gay issues Aug 9, 2007


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5443235&mesg_id=5443235

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Support for the LGBT Community

"While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect."
-- Barack Obama, June 1, 2007


The Obama-Biden Plan

Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. Barack Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to include violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability. As a state senator, Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.

Fight Workplace Discrimination: Barack Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and believes that our anti-discrimination employment laws should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees' domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with no federal legal remedy. Obama also sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: Barack Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights.

Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage: Barack Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples.

Repeal Don't Ask-Don't Tell: Barack Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. Obama will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals.

Expand Adoption Rights: Barack Obama believes that we must ensure adoption rights for all couples and individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. He thinks that a child will benefit from a healthy and loving home, whether the parents are gay or not.

Promote AIDS Prevention: In the first year of his presidency, Barack Obama will develop and begin to implement a comprehensive national HIV/AIDS strategy that includes all federal agencies. The strategy will be designed to reduce HIV infections, increase access to care and reduce HIV-related health disparities. Obama will support common sense approaches including age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception, combating infection within our prison population through education and contraception, and distributing contraceptives through our public health system. Obama also supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. Obama has also been willing to confront the stigma -- too often tied to homophobia -- that continues to surround HIV/AIDS. He will continue to speak out on this issue as president.

Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. Barack Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.

http://change.gov/agenda/civil_rights_agenda/








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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:52 AM
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1. How can that possibly mean anything in the face of that homophobe giving up
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 01:52 AM by cliffordu
a little fake prayer invocation thingy???


:sarcasm:
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:53 AM
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2. "However, I do not support gay marriage. "
fini
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:56 AM
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3. Jumping the broom.
Obama needs to be schooled on civil rights history.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:24 AM
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6. If you're not making a joke, then you're being a joke.
Telling the first black president he needs to learn about civil rights?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:32 AM
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8. Okay. I don't want to embarass you, or anybody else.
I will, however, provide a simple explanation.

Slaves were not granted rights of "marriage", so they "jumped the broom" in a ceremony.

Since slave owners didn't respect/honor the custom, marriages, families, people were ripped apart.

Obama seems to be in support of folks "jumping the broom".

Maybe later, they'll get a right to marry, but for now, it's just something else.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:40 PM
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36. Did you read the OP? It's not "something else", it's all the same
except for the name. He supports same-sex couples getting all the federal benefits that married people get--without even having a legal civil union sanctioned by a state, apparently. (see #7)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:06 AM
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4. Sense? Sense? No way. Of course he does. But don't let that bother
anyone. Bedtime here.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:16 AM
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5. I'll believe it when he does something
In the meantime, he sure seems to like to talk about it, but has proven time and again, he's willing to give the microphone to bigots and throw gays under the bus.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:40 PM
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18. but he has done something. he's sponsored legislation
against discrimination against gays and lesbians in both the Illinois and U.S. Senates. That doesn't mean that it's ok for him to give a bigot a place of prominence on his inauguration day, but that fact doesn't cancel out his record or his policy plans.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:28 AM
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7. "I've made up my mind-- don't confuse me with facts"...
because cheap symbols are so much more important than stated positions or actions.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:35 AM
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9. Well, I'll believe those actions when I see them
I'm not holding my breath.

So far, the only actions I've seen from him is giving bigots a platform, and denying interviews to gay media, until he tried to sweep away the McClurkin incident. Then, he could be bothered with giving an interview.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:37 AM
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10. There's no one single "action" yet, just cheap words.
His first great symbolic "action" is an outrageously insult to millions of American GLBT and their loved ones.

No confusion here. It's clearly a vile betrayal.

You might research the "facts" that you speak of with regards to the outspoken bigot Warren.

When the Rick Warren crowd finds their first opportunity to savage Obama --and they will --- don't expect the GLBT community to rally to Obama's side. He's on his own now.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:45 AM
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12. He hasn't even been sworn in yet!
But as for actions, as a legislator in Illinois and in the Senate he has taken "actions" that are positive for the LGBT community.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:58 AM
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13. So appointing Nancy Sutley meant nothing?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7970361

(Not saying Rick Warren is a good thing, only that it's hardly his first action.)
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:45 PM
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37. Try not to speak for every GLBT person in the country David, ok?
Did you even read the OP? He has taken many actions FOR us, he has sponsored legislation. I know I don't have to remind you that that is not insignificant. You do realize that YOU just threw HIM under the bus, right? And the man isn't even in office yet.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:27 PM
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43. God in heaven, If you were a RWinger you would still be going on about Kerry and tossing the medals.
So much significance has been assigned to Mr. Warren's prayer, I will be starkly disappointed if God himself does not answer in 3-part-harmony.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:49 PM
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52. I'd like for him to do two substantive things: (1) Overturn Clinton's DOMA and (2)
Repeal Clinton's Don't Ask, Don't Tell. I will then believe that he is staying true to his record rather than pandering to the DLC, Blue Dogs and bigoted Republicans.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:42 AM
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11. Good one.
We have been screwed over and over by symbols, mainly flag and bibles. I'm more interested in Obama's policies than in who has 5 minutes on a stage, however revolting that individual is. We'll have to wait and see how the Obama admin treats the gay community for real. I don't think we'll be disappointed on that front but, again, we'll have to wait and see.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:36 PM
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14. "I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."
"I don't believe in gay marriage."

"It should be left up to the states."

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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:40 PM
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17. Awwww, PelosiFan. I think you need a hug.
:hug:











:hide:
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:41 PM
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19. I was about to spit nails...
until I saw who posted this.


:hug:



:rofl:

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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:41 PM
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20. and it was left up to my state ..
and "Rev. Wrong" helped take it away.

Like you, I'm pissed.

I'll not go as far as to say we've been thrown under the bus. But we are standing and the bus stop and it not only passed us by, but splashed mud all over us.
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:39 PM
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15. Yes he does support my community.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:43 PM
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23. Your community.
:rofl:

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:45 PM
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24. ...
:rofl:
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:03 PM
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27. As I am gay I am part of the GLBT community.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:08 PM
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28. Then you should change your response
"Yes he does support my sub-community that doesn't care about civil equality."
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:53 PM
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46. ....
I am not mad at you for saying so many mean things.

:hug:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:39 PM
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16. Ah the omnibus copy and paste job. All our old McClurkin friends are here!
Makes me misty-eyed with nostalgia.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:45 PM
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25. Is this what you see in the post?
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:08 PM
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33. Haha.
That was pretty impressive!
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #25
38. Thank you
I think several people here have lost the ability to read. Or the willingness to do so.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:42 PM
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21. Clearly, Obama does not support gay rights enough.
Should the gay rights community look elsewhere or just keep trying to work on Obama?
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:42 PM
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22. I wish people would realize
that by doing what he's doing with Warren.. he's more likely to get a net positive for the community that most certainly hates him right now.

The irony is that Obama has a long term plan.. and he knows that he's sacrificing a short term loss by having the GLBT comminuty hate him in order for long term gain when he's able to actually get some legislation passed that will help them.

On 11/04/12 They're not going to remember Rick Warren's little speech on Jan. 20th, 2009 if he's made it legal for domestic partners to make healthcare decisions for each other in hospitals, and he's passed legislation saying that it's illegal in all states to discriminate against someone based on sexual orientation.

This is going to be long forgotten in 3 - 4 years.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 12:53 PM
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26. wow? Really?
How nice to have a little crumb - to be able to make health care decisions for each other in hospitals! Hooray!

THAT will make me forget that he gave a platform to someone who equates me to a child molestor! THAT will make me forget that Obama is sending the message that you can be a vicious homophobe AND socially acceptable in the Democratic party!

What's a little insult and disgrace amongst friends, anyway?

Sorry, but I won't forget this. I'm done being nice.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:09 PM
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29. So,
let me get this straight... if Obama allows someone on a public stage that you abhor - even if it in the long term allows him the opportunity to politically pass legislation that would be benificial to you, you're still going to hold that against him?

Allowing Warren to speak is more important to you then "the little nugget" like allowing you to make legal healthcare decisions for your partner- something you can't do now?

Thankfully, most people will be able to see the forrest for the trees on this. I hope your revenge will keep you warm at night.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:22 PM
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30. Do you think we're all diseased or something?
I could give two shits about this obsession of yours about patient rights. When I get the tax and social security benefits that you enjoy, or the other thousand legal benefits of marriage, then I'll care.

Can I vote on your marriage? Let me take it away and see how generous and forgiving you are.
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:40 PM
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32. OK..
then change my post to read "Gay Marriage" instead of "Healthcare benifits for spouses".

I'm going in chronological order here on what I think may happen NEXT. Of course I want gay marriage to be legal. But, right now NEITHER is.

And yes, I think "you're all" diseased. You.. my cousin, my best "guy" friend, 4 of my co-workers that I love to death. All of "you gays" are diseased. :wtf: :eyes:
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:49 PM
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39. Did you read the OP?
Did you happen to read the part where he states that he supports exactly that? :eyes:
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:34 PM
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45. Sure, vote on my marriage.
Even better take it away. What the hell, will it make you feel better? Is the only way to make you feel better to inflict equal pain on everyone else. My friend you are diseased, rage is a wasting disease, get help before it consumes you.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:31 PM
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44. That's right take that little adder of offense and hold it close to your breast...
Indulge in the shock of the pain, revel in the cold creep of the venom running through your system, yes, it's killing you, but it feels so good.

I can't make you forget, but your anger and rage hurts you far worse than it can hurt Warren, Obama, or anyone else. For your own sake, let it go before it destroys you.
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 01:23 PM
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31. Robo Calls in CA Re: Prop 8
I am an older white heterosexual male Californian that voted No on Prop 8 (and for Obama primary and general election).

On the weekend prior to the election, I received two (identical) Yes on Prop 8 robo-calls.

The heart of the robo-calls was a recording of Obama stating,"I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman."

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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:26 PM
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34. Here's what you need to understand
Obama opposed proposition 8.

Unfortunately the majority in this country oppose gay marriage. If any politician would come out and say they supported gay marriage, they would be doomed politically and you know it.

It would have been political suicide for him to say he supported gay marriage.

However, that doesn't mean he supported prop 8. Obama opposed it.

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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:06 PM
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41. I am well aware that was a recorded Obama snippet
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 05:07 PM by PufPuf23
used by the social conservatives Yes on Prop 8 and realize Obama would not have endorsed the robo-calls.

Seems the sticking points are politics and that Obama opposes, "recognize equal marriage rights for same sex couples" (citing what was posted elsewhere in this thread).

I have to admit I am highly offended today by the Warren thing.

Just out of curiousity, can you cite a source that Obama specifically stated that he opposed CA's Prop 8?

This is not a huge personal issue for me; I am a realist and very fine people that I know or have known are same sex couples. I like the pursuit of happiness part of our common bond.

These are such worrisome times.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:04 PM
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49. Here's a source
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PufPuf23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 10:33 PM
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51. Thank you
It is a shame that Prop 8 passed. So sad and distracting.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:36 PM
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35. He SUPPORTS the vital items:
If a state has taken the steps to recognize same sex couples and their families for purposes of state‐based benefits, rights, privileges and responsibilities (such as marriage in Massachusetts and civil unions in Vermont and Connecticut), should the federal government recognize the state’s legal recognition of such couples and families for purposes of federal benefits and tax treatment? 
Support

7. According to a 2004 GAO report, over 1,100 benefits, rights and privileges are provided to married couples and their families in federal law that are not available to same‐sex couples. Do you support extending federal benefits, rights, privileges and responsibilities to same‐sex couples (and their children) provided the partnership meets certain federal standards of commitment and mutuality of interest?
Support

Specifically, do you support the expansion of the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover domestic partners and their children?
Support

Do you support modifying the Social Security System to pay survivor benefits to the same‐sex partners of gay and lesbian people?
Support

Do you support fair and equal tax treatment of same sex couples on the same basis as married couples?
Support


These are the BIG economic justice issues that actually mean something to people beyond the matters of sheer principle. I don't freaking care if what I end up with is a "civil union" or a "marriage", and I view the separate-but-equal objections to that as frivolous. I want my goddam tax and SS benefits that I'm enetitled to after paying my goddam taxes like everyone else for over 30 years.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:19 PM
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40. K&R. He is MUCH better on gay rights than even Bill Clinton. n/t
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 05:13 PM
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42. Only because Clinton was horrible on gay rights.
He started out well but very quickly folded on the military and DOMA. In fact, one could say that every time he supported gay issues, issues for gays got worse.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:54 PM
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48. Yup. And Obama's much better than him. n/t
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Liberalboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:05 PM
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47. As we have seen from Bill Clinton....
...politicians will say ANYTHING to get elected, and do nothing when faced with their own political future. When he actually DOES something as President that supports GLBT rights I'll be the first to eat crow and thank him
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 08:08 PM
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50. Why don't you look at his website for gay rights?:
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 08:11 PM by jenmito
He already showed he's on the side of the LGBT community: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/lgbt.pdf

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