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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:55 PM
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I will be sad if Candidate # 5 is Jesse Jackson, Jr.
The guy is smart and has a lot of potential (and also backed Obama early). That would be sad if he threw away his political future all for this.
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:57 PM
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1. Are You Freaking Kidding Me?
Jessie Jackson Jr. needs to go away!
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:01 PM
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5. Why?
:shrug:
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:05 PM
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9. Uh, Hillary Clinton Didn't Cry For Hurricane Katrina Victims?
He's toast.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:09 PM
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13. She didn't. At least not publicly like she did in NH. Next...? nt
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 01:21 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot
ET correct spelling of publicly :rofl:
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:10 PM
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14. That Is The Sickest Comment A Person Could Make! We Don't Need Someone Like That
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 01:12 PM by maddowfan
That is not something you go public and say about somebody, especially a fellow Democrat. He was the spokesperson for Obama's campaign. It was very bad PR. He reminds me a lot of his father. "Cut off his balls!" Loose cannon.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:25 PM
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28. "Cut off his balls" a comment he publicly denounced his father for saying! n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:17 PM
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19. That's the reason? I thought you had something on him that was unethical..
You just don't like him because it's personal. :eyes:
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:23 PM
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26. Personal? As In Saying Something About A Member Of My Party That's Outrageous?
Then yes, it's personal.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:04 PM
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8. If I remember correctly, Jessie Jackson Jr. was one of the most
intelligent speakers during the Democrat Convention. He would make an excellent Senator.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:58 PM
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2. Dont be sad
Its better to find out now what people are really like than after they've obtained power, isnt it?
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 12:59 PM
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3. I just opened this forum
what are you talking about? I gather it is about the IL governor, but what is the ref. to #5?

Thanks
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:03 PM
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7. Candidate # 5 apparently gave something upfront ($$) or was going to give something upfront
according to the complaint.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:08 PM
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12. actually complaint quotes Blago as saying 5 might get him some money upfront, maybe
but in any event candidate 5 promised to help raise money for Blago's re-election (but how damning is that, really?)

see page 72 . . .
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2008-12/437...
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:14 PM
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18. Probably pretty damning.
Because #5 probably knew it was a quid pro-quo.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:21 PM
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25. Well actually if you read paragraph 112, it is not candidate 5 directly who made any promises
Rather an emissary, and then Blago trying to shake down Individual D with candidate 5 as leverage.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:20 PM
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24. Thanks for the link
And from the Chicago Tribune. They must be happy, especially after yesterday.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:00 PM
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4. He might have been giving Blago rope to hang himself
I don't think Jesse Jackson Jr would be stupid enough to go along with it.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:06 PM
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11. Wanna bet?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:11 PM
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15. As a matter of fact, I do. JJ Jr. stood up to his own father
when he was smearing Obama. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't automatically assume the black guy is guilty.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:12 PM
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16. No one is talking race here, character matters no matter if you're black, white, brown etc
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:20 PM
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23. I apologize for the way that came out, I'm just saying
I don't think JJ Jr. is guilty of anything at this time. I think if anything, he was wearing a wire to catch the rogue Gov.
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maddowfan Donating Member (144 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:13 PM
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17. So, It's A Race Issue?
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 01:14 PM by maddowfan
I'm so surprised now.
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:17 PM
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21. No
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:18 PM
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22. No it's not a race issue... I'm just not as quick as some of you
to point the finger.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:01 PM
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6. I would too, but I wouldn't really be surprised.
Part of Chicago politics is recognizing that your heroes just might be secretly corrupt as hell.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:05 PM
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10. I think he may indeed be 5, but not clear his future would be over
Granted the stuff on page 72 of the complaint is not helpful to candidate 5.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:17 PM
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20. I thought candidate 5 was Valerie Jarrett, and she refused to pay for the seat
Or maybe I am getting confused. Are any of the potential replacements accused of agreeing to Blago's terms? I thought Blago is the only one in trouble so far.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:24 PM
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27. Jarret is candidate 1, I believe
Regarding candidate 5 possibly paying to play, read pages 71 to 73 of complaint . . .
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2008-12/437...

Just a lot of talk from Blago really, but clearly he felt candidate 5's folks promised to help fundraise for Blago's re-election, but Blago does not trust 5 so wants to shake down Individual D for money upfront.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 01:26 PM
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29. Now some speculation that 5 is Art Turner, not JJJ
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