105. I'm so sick of that excuse. A mistake is something
that happens accidentally. You don't trip over your own feet and accidentally stick your dick into another woman who's not your wife.
My own father made that "mistake" many, many years ago and I've NEVER gotten over it. Our relationship was never the same after that and I don't think it ever will be again. I'm sorry for his kids. But fuck him.
5. He didn't just cheat on his cancer-stricken wife.
He risked the consequences to not just himself, but the country and the world had he been nominated and then caught. THAT is why he should never have a place in public life again. He's shown just where his loyalties and concerns lie, and it's not with the voters.
60. He made a mistake, and then he decided to run for President again anyway
In my opinion, the fact that he chose to run again was an insult to every Democrat. Edwards thought he was so great he could keep this secret and lie it away. Even the media gave him the benefit of the doubt. We already have Bush/Cheney that lies endlessly to protect themselves or further their agenda. Edwards can fade away into obscurity any time now.
69. A fatal mistake... the kind he was smart enough to avoid...
But chose not to.
This was a choice he made, a very, very bad choice that has rendered his political career invalid. HE needs to get over it. No amount of "rehabilitation" is going to put the shine on that turd.
And that comes from a once rabid Edwards supporter.
He took a chance, not only with his wife, but with the election! Had he won the nomination, you'd be congratulating McCain and Palin right now for their big win. THAT is how bad this was. THAT is what his stupidity nearly cost us.
Now tell me again how harsh DUers are on this thread!
148. Did he also make just a mistake when he co-sponsored an IWR resolution?
Just a mistake to vote for a bad bankruptcy bill? How about voting for Yucca Mt? Just a mistake to preach the environment and build a 24, 000 sq ft? Just a mistake to preach about the poor and cancel his scholarship program for poor students? Just a mistake to go work for a sleazy hedge fund and make money from foreclosures on Katrina victims? I could go on, but surely you get the idea.
64. A Louse, yes. But by some standards JFK, RFK & Teddy
would have been shunned, maybe never even elected (JFK), never present to bring a sense of calm after the tragedy of MLK's assasination (RFK), never stood up for the people in the US Senate all these many many decades (Teddy).
67. Oh, really? Then it is about inconsistency, paradox, and yes,
Edwards' behavior is not at all far removed from that of JFK, RFK, Ted Kennedy, and, yes, William Jefferson Clinton.Yet, they are amenable to redemption, but for Edwards, no hope for anything but shunning and exile for the rest of his life?
had run against W while hiding a love child I seriously doubt whether redemption would have been in the offing for them, either. Unfortunately for Edwards his timing was the only thing worse than his judgement.
152. That's right, and he has every right to work at anything he chooses.
The only thing he has no right to do is ask for the public trust. Heck, he can even do that if he so chooses. He's have to be delusional, but the guy thought he could hide a mistress and baby while running for president, so maybe delusional isn't such a stretch.
48. And what gives you the right, rather than Elizabeth, to be the
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judge of his worth as a human being-- on balance? That is my point. I never said his behavior was anything other than despicable.
Humans commit despicable acts. Some are shit holes beyond redemption on balance. Others may live their lives working in ways that show character beyond their horrendous misjudgment. JFK screwed around, as did Bobby. Yet, I certainly can not judge their entire lives nor character on this one aspect-- this one serious and despicable flaw.
Is it worse that Edwards would do such a thing with Elizabeth facing cancer? Absolutely. Which is why I take her judgment as to his true worth on balance more than that of anyone else.
He would have had absolutely no qualms about running for president knowing that his secret life could be revealed at any juncture. A massive betrayal of not just the trust of his wife, but that of his supporters, who believed they could trust him to be upfront about who and what he was.
but I think people go too far in taking this personally. Elizabeth is the ONE person with the right to feel betrayed. Everyone else is ONLY entitled to feel something less personal.
But there is a reality check here - there was no chance that Edwards would or could have won. He never had the math and he and his team knew it. He should not have run in the first place, but his critics that continue to harp on how Edwards would have taken us down with him is taking "borrowing trouble" entirely too far - a universe too far. It's like listening to a bunch of hyperbolic grannies -- "he would have put the whole worlds' eyes out running with those scissors!
89. I disagree with all of these "Edwards could not have won" comments
If you consider a race where Obama or Hillary do not jump in the race, Edwards becomes the alternative to either one that remains for obvious reasons. If it is Hillary, I think Edwards wins, he apologized for his Iraq war vote and he is much more charismatic than Hillary. If it is Barack, he makes it close at first, but I think Obama wins.
Edwards was squeezed out of the race because of the presence of both Hillary and Obama, both of whom were historic firsts for the top two major Democratic constituencies.
Hillary would have slaughtered him if it was just him. If he were the only opponent, Bill Clinton would have attacked Edwards on Iraq , which would have been easier than his attack on Obama. Compared to HRC, Edwards was a co-sponsor and his comments for nearly a year after the invasion were more numerous and more pro-war than HRC's. In addition, though the media kept writing of Edwards' charisma - it did not translate to primary votes in either 2004 or 2005. In addition, it is very likely that someone else would have been included in the top tier if Edwards was not there.
In addition the comments refer to if he won the nomination - and this came out as it was very likely to - as it already did in 2007.
174. We can't be all judgmental of John McCain's infidelity and his betrayal of a disabled wife
and then turn a blind eye to Edwards. I don't know about any of you, but I don't wear the "hypocrite" label comfortably. I was a strong supporter of John Edwards and would have voted for him in our super tuesday primary but he had dropped out by then so I voted for Hillary.
I am BITTERLY disappointed in Edwards, but I don't hate him (hate is bad for the soul). However, a new day has dawned and I prefer to think of Edwards as just a fading bad memory...
I wanted to vote for him in the Ohio primary but he had dropped out already. But for fuck's sake. An affair? I read the comments in the other thread about how "he is only human." We so am I, but I didn't cheat on my husband and then run for president. Fuck him. I don't have to forgive him. I'm not married to him. He is just another disappointing ego-maniac politician.
132. and he still took donars money, knowing this.
now that is really dirty low down. he knew he was at great risk andyet blubbered about being in till the end and begging for more money.
what a creep. but I'm glad he is talking aobut poverty issues, someone has to, - but still, somewhere deep inside me there's a vomitous reaction to a guy like Edwards and his conspicuous consumption and affluence, talking about poverty. That's a bit creepy to me too. I just can't believe him.
21. I was a marginal Edwards supporter and other than running
with a chance to completely kneecap us, I don't care.
Cheating is between the people in the relationship and God. Its effectively none of my bee's wax. If his wife can get over it then so can I but I won't be behind him running for office because most people don't see it the way I do and will never go for it.
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44. I didn't answer the poll. IMO, it's too soon for JE to be back
in the spotlight. Yes, people make mistakes all the time, no one is perfect but I think he put our party at great risk at a particularly important time in our country. I supported him and it will take a while before I trust his judgement again.
63. "mistake" is too innocent a word - and it certainly was not honest
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This was not something that just happened accidentally, nor was it a moment of weakness - it was a long term relationship. All the same that would be just EE's concern, but he ran for President while this was happening - and when in 2007 the accusations surfaced - he didn't pull out of the race. At that point, it was unlikely that the story would just go away. He knew it was true.
81. Did more good than a whole platoon of gasping, outraged DUers...
...before embarking on a path of deceit, betrayal and apparent campaign fraud. I would hope that there is still more he can do to focus our attention on the matter of poverty--but we may never get past his wee-wee again.
82. Either option is too extreme, so where's the option for...
"His political career is over; therefore, this is irrelevant?"
I've seen more than enough otherwise intelligent people going about "thinking with the wrong head," as it were. They sleep in the bed they make. Some will shun, some will forgive, and some won't care once it's all over.
to presume to judge his character, or him as a person. I'll leave that to his close friends, family, associates, and those who know him - to his god, if he believes in one, and to the man himself. For my part, there's nothing to forgive, because he has done me no harm.
We had too many of these types of men in American political history... let's talk about Hillary, not this good looking person who has no sensibilites, priorities. Thank the Lord we found out what a wretched person he was before he ran for President for real.
92. Unfortunate mistake. Much like Gary Hart--a smart man with one major literal screw-up.
I liked him a lot, voted for him in the primaries, and think but for the scandal he'd be a shoe-in for Attorney General right now. Alas, he made the consumate political mistake and sullied his name. Perhaps in about 10-15 years he'll be able to make a comeback--as he's still relatively young--but for now, he did himself in. Which is a huge shame because I loved his positions and interests on poverty.
112. I am not sure I follow...........playing devil's advocate here...
it's OKAY for spouse's to "cheat" on each other? What about that "sanctity of marriage" stuff..... if you want to cheat, don't get or stay married.........marriage is for people who want to be married, not for children and adolescents......get the message.
If you want to cheat, get divorced, or never get married......if you want to commit to loving someone in marriage, do it for life.
123. I really don't care if he seeks genuine anything
He's had the best of opportunities of all people in the world, and he let his penis decide his fate.
I don't do forgiveness for what he screwed up upon. He can live without his Senate pension, without his millions, and try to start over again, like so many men who failed in their fifties and don't get a chance again.
In my opinion, paying him a pension for his "service" to the US Senate, is an insult to America.
141. I don't care about the affair much either. I care if he paid campaign funds to
his girlfriend. I care about his pushing the Iraq war. I care about his disgusting greed as exeplified by his unsavory hedge fund activities. I care about his sucky votes in the senate. I care about his obscene 24,000 sq ft house. I care about his being a lying phone who never did much of anything for the poor and disenfranchised but try and ride them to the White House.
The truth lies in the middle of those two choices. I'm not convinced that he was a total louse -I'm sure he did have a conscience and a sincere political ideology somewhere -but neither did he make an "honest mistake" -he knew perfectly well what he was doing and one suspects it wasn't the first time either
and there is extra sleaze in cheating on your wife who has cancer. I just don't think it's shocking. I don't know if that makes me jaded or a man hater or what but I figure most men will cheat if given the opportunity and so I'm never surprised to hear when they do. Not so much "boys will be boys" as "boys will be pigs" you know?
I know they don't ALL cheat but I believe a great majority of them do or would if given the opportunity.
153. What do you think he did that he could possibly have thought was right at the time?
Let's see....having an adulterous affair? You think he thought that was right at the time?
Or could it have been over-paying his mistress with campaign funds? You think he thought THAT was right at the time?
Or could it have been having an affair in the midst of a critical presidential campaign, knowing that if the story got out after he'd won the nomination, that the Democrats would almost certainly lose, resulting in another four years of Republican policies? You think THAT'S what he thought was right at the time?
He's a big boy. He's politically savvy. He knew exactly what he was doing and the risks he was taking both personally and for the country.
157. The only reason I care is that he ran for office, knowing this story
was out there and that if he got the nomination he would most certainly lose when it came out.
There's also the question of campaign funds going to his mistress. And I feel bad for folks who donated their hard earned money to him. Ordinary people on budgets don't have money to just throw away like that. Who knows how many of them sacrificed something for themselves in order to donate to a doomed campaign.
And, cheating on your wife who has cancer is just awful. Add to that the fact that the entire nation found out about the cheating, further exposing Elizabeth to incredible stress is even more disgusting. That could have made her body more vulnerable and less able to fight infection and even the cancer itself.
He's human scum and I'm very glad I didn't vote for him or donate any money or time to him or his campaigns. Worst of all he proved Bill O'Reilly was right that Edwards was slimy which pisses me off even more that Edwards proved O'Slimey was right.
He's a little of both...a lousy cheat who put his wife and family through an embarrassing and hurtful scandal. I, however, appreciate his fight against poverty, an issue which he was talking about before the economy collapse and before Obama or Clinton. I believe he should be and will be forgiven (as his wife has chosen to do). It will take time...it's only been a few months. I won't trust him as much as I would've had he not cheated and lied though.
In his personal life, he did something that I don't condone, and it is something that he should have been upfront about to his supporters (of which I was one, in both 2004 and 2008) earlier on- even if doing so meant scuttling his 2008 run for the presidency.
But doing one awfully shitty thing doesn't make someone irredeemable in my view, and I'm not comfortable classifying Edwards as either a monster or a good man. He's a flawed individual, as all of us are. And the fact that he cheated on his wife and wasn't upfront about it to his supporters doesn't mean he has no credibility in continuing to bring attention to causes that he believes in.
Edwards isn't the ONLY one who deserves to be in that first box. Put Clinton, JFK, and hundreds of other dems & repugs in that catagory.
You cheat on your wife (or husband) IMO, you're a loser. Divorce them first.. then play away if that's what you want to do. Just my opionion.. i've only been married 5 years.. ask me again 10 years down the road.
175. if you're simply talking about his affair, I'd add his adult daughter to the mix.
I'm not interested in judging him for his affair. I judge him for his decision to run while screwing around, and to continue running after the story emerged in the Enquirer in fall of 2007. I judge him for his votes in the Senate and for his activities after leaving that body.
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