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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:49 AM
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NEW STRATEGISTS FOR KERRY PLEASE READ THIS

"It's better to fight them over there than over here on our soil".

This is it my friends...the ultimate damaging, convoluted sound bite which Kerry faces.

You've heard all the hubbub about how the basic component of Bush support is that they feel safer under Bush....yes that's a shame....but here's the sound bite that I've heard grow in popularity over the last few months....and I truly believe it IS the principle component which must be taken out of the equation for Kerry to win.

It is the root of the confusion that people have in terms of thinking that the war in Iraq is tolerable and that Bush, as bad as he might be, should be the one to "keep pressing in their face"....and thus reduce the odds that anything might happen on US soil.

What is Kerry's answer to this?

I haven't heard him say anything which directly exposes this statement for its inherent illogic.

Kerry must say:

George Bush has been successful in promoting the sound bite that "it's better that we're fighting them over there than on US soil". This is a very interesting way of looking at things which begs further thoughtful consideration. George Bush would have you believe that as long as we are "taking the war to them" in foreign lands, that we will be safer at home. Let us not be confused about this. Have we or have we not learned an important lesson from 911?

The lesson of 911 is very simple. A dozen or so terrorists can, with rather low technologies and through insidious methods within our borders, plan and orchestrate mass destruction.

Let us concentrate on the findings now of the 911 commission, especially in terms of its recommendations for how to get better "bang for the buck" in terms of fighting terrorism. The 911 has suggested a number of important specific measures which will work directly to thwart future 911s on our shores. Among these are the strengthening of border patrol, improved Coast Guard assets, the deployment of high tech screening devices at all major airports, and others which deal with the threat of dozens of terrorists, NOT COUNTRIES, bringing terrorism on our very doorsteps as a result of our turning a blind eye to activities that are taking place right under our noses.

George Bush would have us believe that we must fight terrorism as if we are back in the days of the cold war with the Soviet Union, and that through US military domination, we may secure enough real estate and/or influence enough political ideologies to cut off terrorism at its very roots. But this is not the way that terrorists fight. Terrorists don't necessarily have allegiances to countries or to political ideologies. They feed off anger and resentment, and they can effect their destruction through small numbers of terrorists and in any country which is not prepared to be wary of their plans or astute enough to imagine the clever ways that they can attack.

When I am president, I pledge to do what it takes to understand how to better attack this new enemy we have and to do the things that will directly thwart future 911s on our soil. The 911 commission has already provided a number of guidelines, and my administration will review and strengthen these recommendations and future commitments.

So let us not be confused by the statement, "it's better that we're fighting them over here rather than on our own shores"....because this is NOT the lesson of 911.

Future 911s will be prevented by an administration and its determination to OUTSMART future 911s. Let me assure you that through my efforts, I will specifically work to outmaneuver, out think, and outsmart this terrorist threat we face, and specifically work to derail future 911s on our shores, and through these efforts you and your family will then truly be safer here....right here at home.
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:56 AM
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1. BRILLIANT
send it to Kerry ASAP!!! I'm not kidding...this is BRILLIANT!!!

KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:57 AM
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3. EVERYONE
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 12:00 PM by Demi_Babe
send an email to Kerry and let them know of this...this is great!!!


http://www.johnkerry.com/contact/contact.php
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VioletLake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 11:56 AM
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2. from Foreign Affairs
The Neglected Home Front
Stephen E. Flynn

"The degree to which the Bush administration is willing to invest in conventional national security spending relative to basic domestic security measures is considerable. Although the CIA has concluded that the most likely way weapons of mass destruction (WMD) would enter the United States is by sea, the federal government is spending more every three days to finance the war in Iraq than it has provided over the past three years to prop up the security of all 361 U.S. commercial seaports. This myopic focus on conventional military forces at the expense of domestic security even extends to making the physical security at U.S. military bases a higher budget priority than protecting the nation's most critical infrastructure. In fiscal year 2005, Congress will give the Pentagon $7.6 billion to improve security at military bases. Meanwhile, the Department of Homeland Security will receive just $2.6 billion to protect all the vital systems throughout the country that sustain a modern society."
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:18 PM
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18. Many great articles on this....
Some of the researchers include Michael Pan, Amanda Terkel, Robert Boorstin, P.J. Crowley and Nigel Holmes...

I have a great newprint out of times on my computer that outlines the funding that should be spent at home....but couldn't find the link....stay tuned.

Did find this which has the much of the contents though...
http://www.sgpproject.org/SGP%20News/SGP%20Weekly%20News%20Roundup%20Aug%2021-27.pdf

Meanwhile you want to catch this Saturday's 6PM show on MSNBC.....12 better ways to spend money on terrorism at home....or something to that effect....should be a great show.

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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:02 PM
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4. kick
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:04 PM
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5. good point. . .
and it's not as though we only have those two options. . ."fight them here. . .or fight them over there. . . "

How about not eternally condemning most of the world to economic servitude solely out of greed and usurious repression, and thereby ceasing to piss everyone off to the degree that they want to kill us in the first place?

Alas, I'm being impractical again.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:04 PM
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6. Done
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:10 PM
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7. kick
very important to get this to Kerry campaign. I think it is brilliant. It really struck me and I'm usually not "strikable"! :-)
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a_random_joel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:10 PM
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8. I have been hammering on this as well. Great but too wordy.
It's really much simpler to break this fallacy down:

Regardless of our actions overseas, terrorists will still continue to plan attacks against the mainland. Period.

Follow-up: That is why we need better resource management in terms of securing the homeland, and not engage in activities that actually increase the risk of attack.

Rebuttal: Chechnya has been occupied by the Russians for 10 years... look what happened. Look at Israel/Palestine, etc.








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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:11 PM
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9. I agree Bush should be challenged on this convoluted logic
as if terrorists with box cutters want to take on the greatest military in the world. The truth is they play a different game, by a different set of rules, with different weapons. (asymmetrical warfare)
The truth is this imprecise strategy of all out military force is creating terrorists everywhere, including, most probably, within our own borders.
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:31 PM
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10. kick
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:39 PM
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11. kick
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:01 PM
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14. kick
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:37 PM
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21. Thanks for the site....
I've actually been working the tact that I send emails directly to key congress figures. I get form emails back but think email is generally more attended to than letters.

Anyway, this is what I got back from that site....

Read John Kerry's strong statement about how Bush's wrong choices in Iraq have left us without the resources we need at home:
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0908a.html

Here is a link to John Kerry's plans for America's Military made to American Legion's 86th annual convention in Nashville, TN and the recent Veterans of Foreign Wars 105th Annual Convention: http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0901.html
http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2004_0818.html

Read about how John Kerry will win the war on terror: http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/terrorism.html

Here is the link to our National Security and Foreign Policy webpage, where you can find extensive information on John Kerry's views:
http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/

Get straight answers to attacks and distortions about John Kerry's record
at: http://blog.johnkerry.com/rapidresponse/
Read what other Kerry supporters are saying anytime at:
http://blog.johnkerry.com/

To learn more about the Kerry-Edwards Campaign go to:
http://volunteer.johnkerry.com/profile/new/
Visit http://www.johnkerry.com/contact/ to find the nearest Kerry-Edwards office. Or locate your Democratic state party office by entering your state on the left side of www.democrats.org

Because the Kerry-Edwards campaign receives public funds for the general election, federal campaign finance law prohibits us from continuing to raise private funds. You can still contribute to the Democratic Party to help fund critical field programs like voter registration and get-out-the vote efforts to make all Democrats victorious in November. To contribute to the Democratic Party, click on the following link: https://www.democrats.org/support/kerry.html?team=70 or mail your check
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Darby Donating Member (484 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:40 PM
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12. there is no "over there" over there!
good
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 12:47 PM
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13. All offense and no defense doesn't win football games
and it doesn't keep America safe either
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:09 PM
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15. A simple sound bite:
Fighting them over there makes them want to fight us over here.


The Iraqis had nothing to do with U.S. terrorism until we got there; now a substantial portion of their population hates Americans so much that we are locked into staying there just to prevent Iraq from becoming the second Afghanistan.

We had large numbers of troops in Saudi Arabia. That didn't prevent, what, 15 of the 9/11 terrorists from being Saudis; in fact it contributed to it. Osama is a Saudi.


The argument holds no water when you look at it, but you need to hit it with a supported sound bite for public consumption.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:14 PM
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16. the Russian school children weren't all that safe
and Russia has tons of troops in Cheyna fighting the "terrorists" on their turf
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wadestock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:48 PM
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22. The gun nuts and the "kick ass" crowd generally falls for this.....
Bush has capitalized on a couple failings that people have in general.

How many knuckleheads have you talked to that believe almost any issue can be solved by "shooting them".

If you listen to the hard core right wing on this you'll hear loud and clear the message...."you have to go and kill them".

These people seem to get some type of sanctification out of the knowledge of "someone" getting killed....it gives them some type of warped peace of mind.

I remember when Hannity went on the road a while back and he had Mark Levin on stage.....and he was debating someone who came on the show about how to deal with terrorism. Well it got to a "Zell point" where Levin said....WELL EXACTLY WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR KILLING THEM!!!!

You'll talk to a number of people ....and even hear on the news....that the problem is in some way containable and "winnable" by simply killing every last one of "them". I saw last nite an announcer say.....geeze ...there's only about 25,000 terrorists causing all these problems in Iraq....that's not really that many is it????

In other words...exactly what will it take to hunt down and kill these 25,000 that are "left".

They don't get it.....it's now becoming even part of a new ZELL logic ....strengthening the notion that all we have to do is kick ass. And of course this sound bite was carefully included in Zell's hell speech.

It's a horrible crying shame to see the country have it's head so planted up its ass.

For all intents and purposes.....it shows that we may in fact NOT win the war on terrorism. Did anyone ever imagine that we'd become another Israel in all of this?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:14 PM
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17. Always start with a Bush negative:"My opponent tried brute force...
Edited on Thu Sep-09-04 01:15 PM by librechik
It didn't work. Brute force never really works in the end. To Fight in the 21st century we need brains, cunning, and the skills of negotiation. My opponent would rather just slash and burn. That makes us enemies,as Bush has proved, not friends and trade partners."
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:21 PM
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19. kick
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 01:29 PM
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20. Excellent point
Your analysis is right on! I hope this gets picked up by somebody. For the swing voters in my family, this is the issue.

kick!:dem:
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