Jeebus Christ! Would you all just grow a backbone!

[azmouse]

This election is NOT GOING TO BE STOLEN!

Just stop with the useless negativity. You all sound like you have PTSD.

The Reps ARE NOT ALL POWERFUL.

[billyoc]

1. "Talk me down" == "Notice me!"

[azmouse]

2. Honestly....

I've never seen such a weak-kneed, lily-livered bunch in all my life.

[anigbrowl]

5. Srsly.

I think a lot of these 'ELECTION ALREADY STOLEN' posts are tacit discouragement from voting.

[carnie_sf]

23. Actually that would be =

== is a comparison.

[billyoc]

29. '=' is an assignment, '==' is an equality.

[hootinholler]

52. Only in our world. Everyone out in the big room just uses one to assert equality.

Technically, == asks is it equal? and = makes it equal.

-Hoot

[billyoc]

53. Yeah, you're right.

:hi:

[The River]

3. But, But, Rove

is an evil genius. He's planning earthquakes,
swarms of locust and floods in all the Blue States.
I read it on a blog so it must be true! :sarcasm:

[azmouse]

4. You forgot about the volcano exploding and the dam bursting....

;)

[ThatsMyBarack]

6. K&R!

:kick: Thanks, azmouse! :patriot: :hi:

[azmouse]

10. Thank YOU, danagsk8!

I think we have more than a few here on DU that need to get outside for some fresh air.

GObama! :patriot:

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. AMEN...notice that a lot of the Worry Brigade is under 200 posts

Curious, that. I don't want these people next to me in a fight, in any case. A more pusillanimous pack of cowards I never have seen than the DU Worry Brigade.

[azmouse]

11. Last ditch effort from the 'other side'....

I appreciate all your positive efforts here on DU. Some of us do notice these things!

[Hansel]

8. No, no, no. Don't boo hoo. Just vote!

[JJ]

9. Sorry, some of us just find it hard to believe...

that they will just "Go Away Quietly into that Good Night."

Really doesn't fit their M.O.

[azmouse]

12. No one is asking for irrational exurberance.

But WHY do so many think the Reps are all-powerful? They are not.


Obama will win on Tuesday. He will. And you will be so glad if you don't waste these moments worrying about things that you have no control over and that will not happen.

[gravity]

13. As long as we have the votes, it doesn't matter

They can whine and complain all they want, it isn't going to change the results

[avaistheone1]

15. It changed the results the last two presidential elections.

[azmouse]

16. Like I said, grow a backbone.

Do you realize how many people have voted already? And the LARGE percentage of those votes that were for Obama?

Take a deep breath and go for a walk if it will help you relax.

[avaistheone1]

22. I have never had any problems with my backbone, thank you. You are just not paying attention.

It is very easy to steal an election in this country.


Deposition of Spoonamore Admits Ohio Vote Theft

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Deposition-by-Spoonamore-A-by-Stephen-Spoonamore-080919-58.html

[azmouse]

27. yeah... you chose to be afraid, be very afraid.

I don't.

[avaistheone1]

31. Ah, you are still not paying attention. Fear did not lead to the last 2 presidential losses.

It was electoral fraud. You can not happy talk that away.

[azmouse]

36. Do you think those 2 elections were the only 2 ever stolen in US history?

Please pick up a history book and read.

This election was never close enough to be stolen. Face the reality of THIS year.

[gravity]

18. If Obama wins the votes, there isn't much the Republicans can do

It is in the constitution. There is nothing to fear here.

The only scenario where they could possibly challenge is if the win margin is within 1000 on a key state. Even that would be a stretch

[bertman]

25. "If Obama wins the votes". That's the whole point. Gore won the votes. Kerry won the votes.

What part of non-verifiable vote counts from machines manufactured, programmed and maintained by Republicans, do you not understand?

The Republicans are not "all-powerful". They're just really good at screwing up Democratic voter registration, balloting, and vote counts. They're batting 1000 in the last two presidential elections.

[avaistheone1]

33. Precisely.

It's way over most people's heads. Most chose not to educate themselves about how the vote was stolen in 2000 and 2004, or just spout happy talk.

[gravity]

38. Bush won in 2004

Stop with the fear and conspiracies. The Republicans are trying to do some dirty tricks this cycle, but Obama and the Democrats countered most of these tactics and efforts. There hasn't been any massive voter purges, and as long as we get our supporters to the polls, we will win.

The republicans don't have much power this election, and the Democrats have the lawyers are prepared for anything. We are the ones coming up top this election cycle.

[azmouse]

40. Hear, hear.

[bertman]

43. Gravity, you need to do some reading about the vote counting "irregularities" in Ohio

and New Mexico in '04. Bush won because Ken Blackwell, the Ohio Sec of State threw the election his way. He did not win the vote.

[gravity]

46. Were the irregularities examined in a scientific study?

These things seem like a lot of concerned push by fear, but little hard evidence for it.

My biggest concerned is actual purging people from the voter rolls, but it seems like these efforts have been unsuccessful for the most part in 2008. There are going to be some efforts every election cycle, but it is not like that republicans are all powerful.

[bertman]

55. Scientific study? Hmmm. I don't know about that, but why don't you try these two links

and then tell me if a scientific study is needed, feasible, or even possible.

I think you'll find them interesting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-crispin-miller/some-might-call-it-treaso_b_23187.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen/

[dennis4868]

26. right on JJ...

I am even worried about actually physically removing the Bush crime family from the WH...SERIOUSLY.

[high density]

14. First thing to do is to shut off MSNBC

The results of the Mason-Dixon poll don't mean shit on November 4.

[azmouse]

17. Don't you get the feeling some here are just looking for an excuse to worry?

[Cha]

19. Yeah, the last 8 years and

the two stolen elections have certainly proven how fucking non powerful they are with the fucking corrupt corporatemediawhore$$ pimpin' for them.

[FirstLight]

20. While I like your sentiment...

Let's realize that the psychological abuse of the last 8 years is deep. We have had so many lies shoved down our gullets "for our own good and the good of the country" that it begins to take a toll on what you're able to believe in as far as hope and goodness.
I don't know how many of you can understand the analogy...

but after being in an abusive marriage I can understand the psychology of not wanting to DARE to hope for a better life. It is a scary thing and you are always waiting for the other shoe to drop. This administration has abused us ALL in some way or another. It is a sick pscycological game, and until Obama locks them up and takes control of the Oval Office...many of us will be afraid to say it's okay...
Until the abuser is behind bars, even sometimes when you KNOW he is locked up...you still see him around corners and fear that strange phone call in the wee hours of the night. Fear is real, not just a demand for attention. When one has been abused so much and it has been a collective phenomenon...excuuse me for being hesitant until MARCH of next year!!!

the best you can do is just hold the light of hope for those of us who are faltering. and encourage us to take action, because the fear has a way of paralyzing us...it is a complex thing, but VERY real. Would you tell a friend who had suffered abuse to "get over it" and stop begging for attention. No, you would hold their hand as they mustered the strength to take control of their life again...and you would encourage them as they took the years needed to find themsleves and their sense of hope again.

let's support one another, we ARE all on the same side right?

[azmouse]

21. I understand that there are times in peoples lives that can be difficult and

change the way they view life. But this is not a marriage and no one was physically abused here by politics.
It is time for some here to move beyond the last 8 years and realize that that time is over.

There are situations that require hand holding and there are situations that require a good kick in the shins. I'm seeing too many here that are not requesting a hand to hold and a boost to their morale. No, they want to drag everyone else into the 'oh woe is me' gutter with themselves and that has got to stop.

Yes we are all on the same side and that is why instead of dragging others down these people need to request the hand up.

[FirstLight]

24. Maybe others are just attention hogs and want to be wet blankets

but you are making something very deep and damage to the psyche as a collective into something very cut and dry and failing to use your compassion.

marriage to our country IS a real analogy...especially for those who are "trapped" in this downward spiral of 8 years of crap (I can't just leave the country i I don't like it, I am too poor to even leave my current city of residence).
I am looking forward to Tuesday and a win...but until the damaging people are stripped of power to some degree, don't forget that it can happen again. we ARE still vulnerable as a nation, our wounds were REAL and still Are.

You need to be a little more understanding I think. and put it into proper perspective. many of us were truly wounded by this administration, our lives WERE affected by these policies and problems, and the hope factor isn't a cure all for 8 years of damage. We have a lot of work to do yet, and some of us should be helping our fellow Americans more and some of us should be helping ourselves more...but the tide will take some time to turn. let's be realistic, too.

[azmouse]

28. We'll have to agree to disagree on this.

I have plenty of compassion and understanding. I just see this from a different perspective than you do.

[Carolann]

49. Yes, we are all on the same side....

but you sure wouldn't know it by reading this thread! I'm pretty knew at this DU Game, but I'm not new to fear, either, and Journalgrrl is spot on! I have been around long enough to know that Republicans will DO ANYTHING to win including sending WAVES OF FEAR (just like waves of grain) through this nation! They've done it before and they're doing it again...and, if you think they haven't, you've had your head up your butt for the last 20 years! If you're not an ostrich, get your brain up and running...the next few days are going to make (or break) this election! Get your cars on the road and drive 'em to the polling places, folks...it ain't over 'til it's over! (Or I start singing b/c I'm the fat lady!):party:

[depakid]

30. I have no doubt whatsoever that some state and local races will be stolen

Anyone who doesn't think so hasn't been paying much attention over the past 8 years.

[azmouse]

32. If you think that elections have ONLY been stolen in the last 8 years

YOU haven't been paying attention to American history.

So many here are acting like stolen elections have never, ever happened to any group of people but themselves.

[depakid]

44. There's a BIG difference between election fraud of the past 8 years

and what one saw historically.

With computerized often unauditable "voting" and proprietary software protected by trade secrets, fraud can (and has been) carfried out on a massive centralized scale- and in every instance I'm aware of the suspect results and HIGHLY improbable statistical anomalies favored Republican candidates.

And in many cases, there's NOTHING that can legally be done about.

Rather than adotping something rational, hassle free, inexpensive, and subject to random hand counted audit, stupid Americans around the country have spent big money to essentially disenfranchised themselves!

And I hate to say it- but part of me thinks that they deserve what they get.

[azmouse]

45. Those machines are the biggest threat to democracy.

I truly hope that one of the early things Obama does is to investigate and then rid our country of them.

[depakid]

50. Agreed

Why counties and states ever bought those things is beyond me (obviously, there was some corruption involved).

The Oregon system is so simple and proven- hassle free and accountable that it just boggles the mind why states insist on spending money for dysfunctional proceses, with long lines and the inevitable lawsuits.

[flygal]

34. I see you weren't a member here in 2004

IT SUCKED!!! Let me just tell you - people DO have PTSD from 2004! I know it looks much better for Obama than it did for Kerry - but you kind of learn from getting your hopes up. I can still see all those posts about Kerry winning FL - I went to bed here in Europe thinking it could go our way and woke up in the middle of the night to a fricken shit storm on DU. Go a little easy on people - we come here for help.

[graywarrior]

35. Oh god, I still have 2004 flashbacks.

Talk about shock and awe. What a depressing, forlorn, sad, hopeless and frightening month that was. Prozac being dispensed by the zillions. Let's just say we're nervously optimistic. But man, I am losing sleep over this even tho I volunteer every damn day.

[flygal]

37. .....

:grouphug: Sorry to bring back the bad memories. And thanks for all your hard work! Here's to a good nights sleep Wed!

[graywarrior]

42. No prob. Those memories got me motivated to volunteer in the first place

[azmouse]

39. Many non-DUers were paying attention in 2004.

DU membership wasn't a requirement to know what was happening.

Elections were stolen before these last 2. Time to move on now. Really.

This isn't either of those elections where the polls were close all along. And Obama isn't Kerry.

[ronnykmarshall]

41. You GO!!

I am so sick of the boogie man "KKKarl"!

We're gonna win this fucker and win BIG!!!

[Divine Discontent]

47. yes, I see your post. but your post is pointless when the past 2 elections were stolen!

we cannot be unwilling to fight if it's stolen again - Obama has the biggest support of any Dem in decades, and I expect him to win big - but... well, let's just leave it there.

[specimenfred1984]

48. If it is stolen, I will offer redemption to all who stole it!

You see, I am a superior human, capable of foregoing all laws in the U.S. and the world and with a magic wave of my hand can redeem anyone regardless of their crimes!

[tekisui]

51. Damn straight.

Bunch of damn worry warts.

[Bonn1997]

54. Do you know the difference between *statements* and *arguments*?

I've noticed that most of the posts about potential election fraud contain arguments with supporting evidence, whereas the posts of the few who cannot tolerate anti-election fraud posts just contain statements that look closer to blind hope. And please don't talk down to us who are fighting against election fraud. I drove 6 hours yesterday from Montgomery to Pensacola and then back to volunteer on the ground and I donated more money to Obama's campaign. I believe election fraud is a real threat and want to do everything I can to get turnout high enough that we have too high a win margin for the election to be stolen.