Is it just me or is anyone else frustrated by the

[saracat]

continual description of the Kerry Campaign in "tatters" Or "over" ? I skipped any TV today so I don't know if there has been any improvement but Sunday was a new low. Any improvement today? We really need some media encoragement to win!( I know, I know, media whores etc, but we do need to get some media and soon!)Any glimer of hope, In the mainstream media, about campaign image?

[Dookus]

1. doesn't really bother me

let 'em think what they wanna think. It'll be even sweeter when Kerry trounces Bush.

[saracat]

2. But what can we do to combat the negative campaign image

that they are promoting. This is what the public sees.If we rely on those people who are already voting for us we could lose! We could also lose some of the committed if they believe this crap! You have to look like a winner to win.Perception is everything!

[Dookus]

5. I'm just not worried

we have 58 days. In that time, both campaigns will be be described every way you can imagine.

I just don't think it matters one whit what some pundits say today.

[saracat]

6. We can win! But me thinks you have a wee bit more faith in the judgement

of the American voter than I do.But then, I live in a Republican neighborhood!

[Dookus]

8. heheh

and I live in one of the most liberal towns in the US.

But nonetheless, I just think this day-to-day punditry really doesn't matter to anyone beyond the 1% of people who follow it closely, and those people's minds are already made up.

[saracat]

9. Dear Dookus, I pray you are right.

You are prescient aren't you? I am even afraid of what I hear on PBS! They used "faltering "campaign for variety.

[emulatorloo]

19. The press has done this before, it will pass

They have already done the Kerry campaign is faltering. . .no doubt it is being pushed by Rove.

However, nobody cares about this kind of thing except junkies, so I wouldn't be too worried about it. And as Kerry begins to kick butt it will fade/

[Sugarbleus]

3. Sorry Sara, I didn't watch any TV today either...

It looked like Kerry's stumping was going to pick up somewhat on Monday though..

I know what ya mean about "seeing" it in action, positively. There's still several weeks to go and some debates ahead; hopefully we'll get to see more and more of him in stronger and stronger showings.

I usually try to catch him on C-span when they air the rallies. Otherwise, it's Bush Bush Bush nearly 24/7 on the cable news..bleck

There's just no telling what's in the minds of all the people in America. We can only hope that all the volunteers and campaigning has reached everywhere it can and the message has gotten out.

There are a lot of strong people stepping up to the plate for Kerry these days, not to mention all the hideous facts about Bush's lousy presidency that are being unleashed upon the public currently..

We shall see how this revs up in the next few days and weeks.
Peace~~

[saracat]

4. We can win! We must just create a winning atmostphere! And

that begins with us as well.Thanks for the "chin up" and "peace" to you too!

[VOX]

7. It wouldn't bother me, but it's the old "repeat the lie often enough" bit.

My office colleagues -- a highly intelligent bunch on most matters -- have picked this up: "Kerry's campaign has lost its wheels," "the Kerry campaign has fizzled out," etc. WTF????

So Bush* got a post-convention bounce. Kerry was late out of the gate on the SwiftLiars. The candidates are still basically knotted statistically (if we are to believe the pollsters), and Kerry is looking for a way to gain some ground, so he's hiring a few different faces. That's **it**.

Pretty fuc*in' far from sounding taps over the thing, IMO! :grr:

[saracat]

10. Exactly what bothers me. I don't believe it,

but it bothers me that others might talk about it just enough.Like SBVFT!

[AndyTiedye]

11. We Can't Have That. The Media is Pro-Bush and Will Continue to Gore Kerry

> We really need some media encoragement to win!

I really hope you are wrong, and that we can win without it, because the media will not
give us any help or encouragement except an occasional scrap on the comedy shows.
They will continue to gore our candidate. Why should they do othewise? The media
barons are gaining enormous power under this regime as they grow their empires
far beyond what any previous administration would have allowed. They are an effective
extension of the Boosh machine.

We must find a way to win in spite of the media.

[Crunchy Frog]

12. It's exactly what I expected

from the corporate media.

I was outraged when they were doing it to Clark but I've become used to it by now, and don't expect anything different.

I stopped watching TV a long time ago, except for TDS. You'll drive yourself nuts watching that crap. It's just not worth it.

Edit: Cheer up though, all this media whoredom doesn't seem to be doing Bush much good. I think he's going down, no matter what the media does.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

14. Chris Matthews on Hardball last night

was still discussing with Dee Dee Myers and others how totally disorganized and down the Kerry campaign is now. They were touting the huge bump Bush got after the convention and everything they said was negative, etc.

They make these grand statements with impunity and then discuss it as fact for 10 minutes then move on to something else.

(Imus this morning is making statements like, "Isn't what is wrong with Senator Kerry's campaign is......" fill in the blank) Everyone just assumes there is something wrong with Kerry's campaign - thus feeding the "beast" again.

I couldn't help but wonder where they were getting their information - from watching other channels, reading in the newspapers, things are going fine - the "huge" bump wasn't as big as first thought, already lost some of it and yet they keep harping like it is all over for Kerry unless he does something dramatic. Bull hockeys!

[molly]

15. Think of it as a ploy - let them take down their guard

[molly]

13. First thing on C-Span this morning

reading the headlines - "*'s military service" "Cheney said that if Kerry gets elected we will surely be attacked" "1000 dead in Iraq", etc.

Now I was still half asleep, but as the election gets closer, these things will have more and more impact - "the whites of their eyes".

[emulatorloo]

16. KERRY: What went wrong? (DU Thread Nov 27, 2003 Kerry campaign in tatters)

Kerry Campaign was in "tatters" Veterans Day before Iowa Caucus per press

It was all over for him.

Fun DU thread from the past, dissecting why Kerry had lost the Dem nomination for president:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=785106

KERRY: What went wrong?

[Dookus]

17. lol

good find, emulator.

Kerry has been consistently underestimated, and he has just as consistently kicked ass on election day.

[emulatorloo]

18. Esquire Mag, June 04 - "The Misunderestimation of John Kerry"

well worth reading

http://www.democrats.us/beta/forum/view_topic.php?id=1462&forum_id=12

The Misunderestimation of John Kerry
Beware of this man. He's won every race that he was supposed to lose.

by Charles P. Pierce | Jun 01 '04

<snip>

This is something else people should know about John Kerry: When you lose to him, he finishes you. Which is why it should have been a caution to the president when an anonymous Kerry advisor replied that if the White House were to go after Kerry on his divorce, or his wife's money, or some other area that Kerry deemed out of bounds, then "everything is on the table."

<snip>

[merh]

20. Apparently Tweety was on the Today show dissecting the

campaign and listed Kerry's faults. The only problem with his efforts was that he was explaining the faults of * and the admin's lies (re the employment figures). Tweety was saying that Kerry should do this and Kerry should do that.

I didn't see the program, a friend was telling me about it. Of course, I was pissed at Tweety and his lies, because, as I explained to my friend, Kerry has answered the * campaign and has pointed out their lies, it is the media (Tweety included) that refuses to cover it. My friend calmed me down and said, don't you see, Tweety was making the point for the Kerry campaign.

My friend doubts that all of the media refuses to give Kerry equal coverage. She just cannot fathom why the press would do that. I have the DVD of Outfoxed and intend to loan it to her. The point is, the average citizens just don't understand why Kerry is not making his points and how the entire media can be working against him.

[CWebster]

21. Kerry could rally the media if he so chose

He did it in the past. Dean certainly had broad media coverage to get a message out until Kerry brought the media bigwigs together for a little pow wow just weeks before the Iowa caucuses.

The NYTimes repeatedly impored Kerry to make a stand on it's editorial pages, problem is Kerry doesn't seem to stand for much other than Kerry, military hero. How sad that he chose that image at a time when young soldiers trapped in another Viet Nam quagmire would likely appreciate the man he was returning from war, rather than the politician seeking glory.

This is not anti-Kerry sentiment, as some would like to paint it, but facing reality out of concern that Kerry is failing to spearhead an opposition that has anything to do with the issues that could be used against the Bush crowd of criminals.

[saracat]

22. The media will cover you if you make news and they are

forced to. I think that Kerry will make news soon.Joe Lockhart will understand this concept. And I think Kerry will finish Bush.He is tougher than people think.That is why he got the nomination.Remeber a lot of Dean people think he played dirty and it didn't get pinned on him! I think the voters ,on some level, understood we needed someone who would go to the mat!