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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:40 AM
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Campbell Brown writes article claiming Obama broke promise about campaign financing
Part of her "No Bull" series. I wrote a rebuttal in the comment section, but they haven't printed it (yet). So far, there is only one comment calling her out on her misinformation.

Let's see if we can get some more responses to her false claim.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/28/campbell.brown.obama/index.html
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:43 AM
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1. This is a woman who thinks Keith Olbermann is "far left"
You can't reason with somebody like that.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:45 AM
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2. Yeah, but you can call her lying ass out
on it..she can be held accountable for passing bogus information.

She thinks her shit don't stink..the world has news for her.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:45 AM
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3. Campbell is Preggers...her brain is drained.
But...she is a bit of a douchebag!

Stop lookin' at my Sarah-tits,Willie!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:45 AM
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4. The first three comments currently listed are good!
Fuck Campbell Brown. For a very short period of time about three weeks ago, I thought CNN was doing an OK job of covering the campaign, not great, but better than they did in '04. But they've gone back to their old ways again. Pro republican push & spin.

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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:12 AM
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14. Most talking heads are thinking about #1
She doesn't want to be typecast as sympathetic to liberals. She got kudos for her smackdown of Tucker Bounds, but now I think she's trying to go the other direction. She wants to make sure people don't mistakenly think she's a liberal. That's my guess.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:12 AM
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15. Yes.
What about McCain's promise to run an honorable campaign? How come no one ever mentions that?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:48 AM
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5. She's Married To A Neocon Who Belongs In Prison - Go Figure
:shrug:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:13 PM
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43. Ah. the Barbara West school of Journalism. They both got their MRS. there. n/t
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:57 AM
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6. Just posted the following comment
Obama NEVER made a promise to accept the federal funds. All he said was that he will "discuss" accepting federal funds if McCain were to do the same. At the time he said it, he was not aware of the task before him. Intelligent and thoughtful people can change their minds based upon changing circumstances such as anticipation of money needed to fend off republican dirty tricks like Swiftboating. We have seen evidence of that with non-stop name calling such as "Obama is a muslim," "Obama pals around with terrorists," "Obama is a socialist/marxist" etc. McCain/Palin have converted fueling hate into a new art form and are unapologetic about it. Anyone who watches the videos of McCain's supporters at his rallies can testify to that fact.

The other thing that Campbell conveniently forgets is that almost all of Obama's money has come in small contributions from people of very modest means. The insinuation that there is something unholy and Jack Abramoff/Delay/Nye/Cunningham/Stevens style influence-peddling is patently false. Obama's fund raising is truly democracy in action. Let us not forget that.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:03 AM
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9. Mclame wants fed $$ for campaign? Isn't THAT socialist?
What's more democratic and free enterprise than raising your own funds through hard work?

Will the mclame shills never stop lying?

:rofl:
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whitewomenforobama Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:01 AM
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7. Yeah, after her article the other day
about how calling Palin a "diva" is sexist, Campbell Brown can suck it. I can't stand her. She's ALL bull.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:01 AM
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8. Obama did break the pledge
You don't have to lie to yourselves.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:04 AM
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10. McCain wasn't willing to ditch 527s
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 11:05 AM by ErinBerin84
Obama just said on an optional survey that he would like to "pursue" a deal with the other candidate to do public financing, but McCain wasn't willing to ditch the 527s, so no dice.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:09 AM
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13. No, Obama did not pledge to accept public financing
He only pledged to pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee. The lawyers from each side could not reach an agreement.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:15 AM
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19. That was because Obama didn't want to accept it
After he realized that he can bring in a lot more money on his own, it would have been crazy for him to pursue public financing.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:17 AM
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20. AND bc McCain didn't want to ditch the 527s
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 11:18 AM by ErinBerin84
Obama knew that he would need a lot of money to combat the 527s. That was a contingency. Please don't accuse us of lying.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:19 AM
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24. It was because Obama had a huge fundraising advantage
It isn't McCain's fault that Obama didn't accept public financing. Obama saw that he had an enormous financial base, and took advantage of it. You don't have to kid yourself.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:20 AM
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25. never mind.
This is obviously going to be a circular argument with you ignoring what I'm saying.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:22 AM
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27. one of the conditions was not using 527. mccain wouldnt agree to not using them
after swiftboat of 2004, that was a pretty significant condition.

i remember

i had forgotten until reading your comments. i am all for owning whatever it is. but now i remember. those 527 were a big part of it and mccain wouldnt let them go

why would obama agree with it after 2004?
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:15 AM
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18. his pledge was to negotiate with McCain regarding Public Financing
not that he would take PF no matter what.

But McCrap thanks you for buying his bullshit. It's hasn't been selling well.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:17 AM
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22. He said he would do public financing, and then decided not to
I think it was a smart decision for Obama, and you don't have to lie about. The minimum bad press Obama has gotten is worth all the money he has.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:23 AM
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29. he said WITHOUT the 527. mccain wanted them. 2004 swiftboat
big deal for dems. deal breaker.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:25 AM
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31. YOU KNOW WHAT? WTH CARES?! NOW morons can't gripe that "their tax dollars" went to "a Socialist-
Marxist-Muslim-Terrorist-Kenyan-CommunityCommunist Organizer."
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:25 AM
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32. so do you have a quote or just your obviously biased opinion?
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 11:25 AM by Cosmic Charlie
nowhere did Obama guarantee he was taking PF.
the closest he came was this quote from a questionnaire:
"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election"

That is not a pledge of certainty by any means.
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:36 AM
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36. And Obama didn't agressively pursue an agreement
Obama didn't sign a legal agreement or anything, but he did indicate his willingness to pursue a public finance agreement.

I don't think it is a big deal personally, but Campbell Brown was right on her statement. Sometimes attacks on Democrats are true, and not the results of media bias. No one is perfect.
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Cosmic Charlie Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:45 AM
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37. Campbell Brown is an unapologetic shill for the GOP most of the time
I'm glad that you at least agree that Obama made no 'pledge'.
That was Campbell's whole argument.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:19 PM
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45. And you know this how?
You were in on the negotiations? You can document how aggressive they were?

The negotiations fell apart over 527s and other outside the system organizations. Oh well.

But keep on pushing the bullshit. The attack is not "Obama failed to be aggressive enough in his failed attempt to negotiate an agreement with McCain over preserving public financing", it is "Obama broke his pledge to use public financing". The charge that was made is false, and yet you asserted it was true, and then when pressed you attempted to reframe the charge to be something else more easily defended.
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notaboutus Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:18 AM
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23. No he did not. You can read it on another post on DU
He carefully wrote out a statement with the conditions under which he would. Read it. He did not Promise anything. Also K.O. did a segment on this within the past week. I can't remember the exact day.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:23 AM
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28. Once again, the MSM is repeating McHate's lies for him. It's sad that you are willing
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 11:23 AM by bushisanidiot
to believe McHate's bogus claims rather than believe Obama. He NEVER pledged to not take public money.. and I'm glad!! This way, I know my hard earned money goes to the candidate I want to donate to and not funnelled to people like McHate who insist on using tax payer money.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:14 PM
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44. No he did not. He couldn't - he made no such pledge.
He said he would negotiate with the McCain Campaign. The Obama Campaign negotiated with the McCain Campaign and they failed to reach an agreement. End of story.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:05 AM
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11. Campbell is cursed with "The Princess Complex" and thinks that she can pick and choose
what is and is not "sexist."

I hope Campbell's show dies of loneliness as KO's Countdown kicks both her's and O'Reily's ratings asses. :evilgrin:
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:21 AM
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26. I thought she'd Pee herself on the Daily Show the other night.
Hoisting those preggers boobies on the formica for John to ogle.

Mika Mouse Sez: "Who the frig stole my vod-ka !!!!!!!!!!!!????"
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:09 AM
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12. Read Obama's Op-Ed in USA Today from February.
He laid out the terms for reaching an agreement on public financing. What you never hear from the McCain Campaign is what his terms were.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/opposing-view-3.html#more

Obama didn't pledge to accept public financing. He agreed to aggressively pursue an agreement with the GOP nominee. An agreement wasn't reached. Obama rejected public financing. End of story.
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Median Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:12 AM
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16. The BIas Is That Brown Is Not Addressing Any Of McCain's Numerous Flip Flops
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 11:13 AM by Median Democrat
She attacks the integrity of Obama, but says nothing about McCain's long list of flip flops. Also, she does not address how McCain circumvents campaign finance limits by coordinating and using funds from the RNC the way Bush did. Lastly, WHAT ABOUT FOX NEWS? She is being willfully blind when she fails to address how an entire network is devoted to smears and attacks on the Democratic Presidential candidate, which consistutes a billion dollar in-kind contribution.

McCain's flip flops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVWh5jO2Dxo
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:17 AM
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21. Exactly.
McCain was hoping to 'sucker' Obama into taking public financing, only to drown him in a sea of RNC-coordinated attack ads.

As it stands now, Obama can barely hold his own even with a considerable fundraising advantage because of an increasingly biased MSM.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:14 AM
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17. Wonder what hubby..
Republican strategist Dan Senor is up to these days?
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:23 AM
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30. Campbell? Campbell? Campbell? Takin' the Repub Joystick? EeeeeeeeeeeeW
:puke: :puke:

Mika Mouse SEz: "All-right gawdammit,who STOLE my vod-ka!!!!!!!!!!???"
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:29 AM
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33. She came on the Daily Show all righteous talking about reporting the truth, then
she fucking lies about this.

Some posters even gave her kudos for her appearance, even though she said Keith was far left.

She has not changed her stripes...she is still a tool.

I'm going to comment right now.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:31 AM
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34. Just another right wing hack
CNN are becoming just a faux lite network. Americans more and more see that. David brody another hack that CNN has on at times.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:35 AM
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35. I just posted the following to CNN
Ms. Brown,

I had high hopes for your truthfulness after you were on the Daily Show, but those hopes were immediately dashed.

Your reporting on Obama and public campaign financing is just Dead Wrong. All you had to do was open the Washington Post to see that this battle cry of the McCain campaign is a downright lie.

Let's Get This Perfectly Clear For Misinformation Re Obama & Public Financing.

Obama filled out a questionnaire with the Midwest Democracy Network stating that he would negotiate about taking public financing with the Republican nominee and NEVER PLEDGED To Take Public Financing Itself!!! Please help stop that wrongwing meme in its tracks!

FACT CHECK below in the Washington Post.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/06/obama_reneges_on_public_financ.html

Sincerely
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:47 AM
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38. She's married to a Repuke strategist!!!
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:54 AM
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39. Elizabeth Hasselbeck has been saying the same thing on The View, including this morning.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:11 PM
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41. And it's way too weird how when one puke says something
they all say the same thing in unison. It's like some freaky hive-mind thing, from the loftiest right down to the lowest freep. Gaia save us from the Borg Collective, it's just way-too dogdam weird.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:12 PM
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42. ah.. the faxed talking points. Must make Dizzy Lizzy feel so important. n/t
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 12:06 PM
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40. Yes! Because nothing will piss off the people more than knowing Obama used *no* taxpayer money ...

... oh, right. Nevermind.

So the last week of the campaign will be McCain's Stupidist Hits? This was a stupid meme when they tried it in September. And it is a stupid meme now.


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