does Kerry need to get Joe Lieberman out there for him ?

[JI7]

i know many people on here don't like him. but i think he can help Kerry with the voters who don't see Kerry as strong or that he wont defend them. Lieberman doesn't have to go into details he can just make general statements about how Kerry will defend them to assure many who want to vote for him based on domestic issues but question whether he would defend them.

maybe they can make an ad where he gets people like top military types and others seen as strong on defense like lieberman to say kerry will be strong on defense.

[molly]

1. Absolutely!

Jews are loyal and give to whom they respect - I know, of course.

[jeff30997]

2. I really don't like Joe Lieberman but...

I think you have a point here.In 2000 I'm sure that Gore got a lot of votes because of him.

[punpirate]

27. Gore likely lost more votes...

... due to Lieberman than he gained. Lieberman was added to the ticket mostly because he was a rather shrill moralist, which Gore's people thought a suitable counterbalance to the perceived moral excesses of Clinton, thinking that tactic would resonate with the voters. Lieberman was also somewhat respected by the buttoned-down corporate types, because he had carried their water for some time.

Neither of those attributes did Gore any good whatsoever with the Democratic base. Gore did not begin to pick up steam until he abandoned the DLC's recommended plan of action and began to remake himself in populist fashion--Lieberman was absolutely no help in that remaking, and at some points in the campaign, seemed to openly resist it.

The primary campaign run by "JoeMentum" should dispel any ideas that Lieberman is in any way useful in this campaign.

In truth, Edwards is doing just fine in the campaign.

Cheers.

[skypilot]

3. You might know more about Lieberman than I do...

...but on its face this sounds like a bad idea to me. I for one can't stand to listen to Lieberman speak.

[molly]

5. So do not listen - just support

[skypilot]

11. I don't understand your reply.

I already support Kerry. I don't need any input from Lieberman.

[JI7]

17. the point is that lieberman will help with some undecideds

those who like kerry on most issues but see bush as defending them. lieberman is viewed as tough on defense so he could help with these group of voters.

[skypilot]

22. My last post wasn't directed at you, by the way.

Anyway, I didn't know that Lieberman was seen as tough on defense. I'd have to take that into consideration but still, it's hard for me to listen to him. Honestly, I can't say whether or not he would do any good simply because I just don't understand the whole "undecided" thing. Those people are just beyond me. I don't know what would get through to them.

[demnan]

4. Oh no! I don't think so

Lieberman's "help" didn't help us the last time and he was running as VP.

I hope he keeps his mouth shut.

[DURHAM D]

26. Ditto n/t

[Bluzmann57]

6. Well not many supported him during the primaries

so what makes anyone think that Demcrats would listen to him? Repubs won't because he is a Democrat who doesn't support bush, so that only leaves undecided people. I don't think he'd make much of a difference, so just let him do whatever it is that he does, Kerry can take care of himself

[calico1]

7. There are people who like him.

He can be sent to areas where there are more Moderate leaning voters, and larger Jewish areas for example. I think he did well with the elderly voters too.

[volosong]

8. DEFINITELY

Someone like Lieberman is needed to recapture the conservative Democrats many of whom fell for the smut boat liars.

What the hell good is a "strong leader," if he is stupid and sophomoric?

A viable democracy is predicated upon an informed electorate of independent thinkers who constantly question and challenge authority and those spreading the media "gospel." That negative political ads such as the discredited the Swift Boat makarky are successful suggests a media over mind mentality.

Admittedly, thinking is hard work, and it is no surprise that a nation of obese junk food aficionados prefer the pabulum of the news media to incisive investigation and reflection. This intellectual harikari has reached alarming proportions as evidence by many polls.

One prevailing hallucination is that G.W. Bush is a "strong leader." Comparison of Bush with a list of other "strong" Presidents (Washington, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, JFK, and Reagan) shows that a majority served in the military, many in combat, and their records did not "disappear;" war was always a last resort and won with skill, restraint, and sensitive intelligence; each embraced and advanced science; none hijacked a national tragedy like 9/11 (or religion) for personal political gain; war time Presidents saw a robust economy producing goods made here in America; none condoned unrelenting scurrilous attacks on the integrity and combat record of an opponent; none required interpreters or media apologists to untangle jumbled words and befuddled phrases; none was pictured wearing a military ribbon that he did not earn; none tolerated the public mocking of a US military medal, and none permitted an aide to refer to Americans as comparable to a 10 year old child.


"It is this simplicity that makes the uneducated more effective than the educated when addressing popular audiences." Aristotle (Rhetoric;II:22)

[Seabiscuit]

21. Uh, Huh...

You wrote:

"A viable democracy is predicated upon an informed electorate of independent thinkers who constantly question and challenge authority and those spreading the media 'gospel.'"

That certainly leaves Lieberman out.

[northstar]

9. No - would do more harm than good, imho n/t

[BJ]

10. Senator Lieberman is what's wrong with the party.

He is the perfect example of Ralph Nader's two-headed monster. In fact with the aid of one of the spiritual godfathers of NeoConism, William F. Buckely, Lieberman defeated an incumbent Republican, Lowell Weicker, who was more liberal than he.

[speedoo]

12. IMHO, absolutely not.

Lieberman would just remind people of Kerry's pro-Iraq war position.

I don't know whether anyone has ever studied the impact Lieberman had on the 2000 campaign, but IMO he did not help Gore at all. His debate performance vs. Cheney was lousy. Lieberman can't do as much for Kerry as other surrogates like Clark, Dean, Gephart, etc.

[a new day]

13. Tell Joe that Connecticut Republicans will take him now

[AP]

14. He shoud do another tour of the old folks homes in FL.

He was very popular down there, if you can believe the NY Times (which isn't neccessarily the case). I can't think of any reason he wouldn't still be popular four years later.

I do think Joe was terrible during the recount and the debate though. He diddn't act like a guy who wanted to win.

[JI7]

19. i agree, my suggestion is based on his helping with turnout

even if it's a small amount since if the race continues to be close even that small amount could help make a difference. touring old folks homes is a good idea . in fact i think the one appearance where he did campaign with kerry was in florida and i guess that was the reason.

[a new day]

31. Some o' dat senior Joe-mentum?

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. Hahaha - the same Joe that was resoundingly REJECTED by the voters?

[Seabiscuit]

16. HELL, NO!

Scratch Lieberman's skin and an ugly neo-con emerges.

Fuck Loserman.

[kentuck]

18. The Secret Weapon ?

Joe Lieberman? :)

[zulchzulu]

20. I depends...Loserman has not been very nice since he got his ass kicked

I remember some story about how he "just didn't understand Kerry's $87B vote" a while back.

Thanks, Joe. You're bologna without the mayo.

[abrock]

23. Please god no.

As someone earlier mentioned, Lieberman is everything thats wrong with the Democratic party. I thought the guy was a republican based on his stance on issues and the lame, 'old boys network' way he comes across.

[Malva Zebrina]

24. He should be avoided like the plague

He is the Democrats answer to a McCain. Too concerned about his image and appearances and ready to give the shaft to anyone, even if it is a Democrat in order to get on the TV.

[henslee]

25. I'm suprised Lieberman didn't speak at the RNC.

[SheilaT]

28. If Lieberman were

widely admired and respected by Democrats, then that could possibly be a good idea. I thought Lieberman was an incredibly poor choice for VP four years ago, and nothing since then has changed my minds. For every Jewish person that voted for Gore-Lieberman because of Joe, there probably were two who voted for G-L despite Joe.

What a shame Bill Clinton isn't available for campaigning at the moment. HE'S the one to send out there to rouse up the masses.

[SlingBlade]

29. Lieberman Liberals = Lost Election

Absolutely not, Avoid even the mention of that name or risk four more years of Bush.

We need a hard hitting counter punching candidate that will stand up to these bastards.
If the puke convention didn't prove that nothing will.

This wishy washy bullshit failed in 2000 and brought us one of the most wicked evil administrations this Nation has ever seen.

Remember the 2000 Veep debates ?
Cheney, Yes Cheney made mince meat out of Lieberman.........No more.

Four more years, Hell No, Its more like Two more months.

Kerry / Edwards, That's the hope of this Nation and the world.

:dem:

[Kahuna]

30. Use him very sparingly. Joe is pretty much self serving and

pompous. I don't trust him or his instincts.

[Neshanic]

32. Brilliant! Lets just invite Bush over to chat also...unbelievable.

[spanone]

How about Kennedy, Biden and a few hundred more senators and

Reps. where the hell are these people??????

[spanone]

33. How about Kennedy, Biden and a few hundred more senators and

Reps. where the hell are these people??????

[IdaBriggs]

34. NO -- NEVER -- NOT!!!

Lieberman always ends up cutting Kerry down whenever he is on. Kerry is a combat tested veteran who can take care of us. Send Wesley Clark if we need a surrogate -- NEVER Lieberman.