MSNBC just reported....527 ads on Rev. Wright to begin this weekend.

[RagAss]

We need a counter-punch to this. Any suggestions?

[Ian David]

1. Palin's witch doctor and Alaska Indpendence Party? n/t

[Coexist]

2. laugh, shake your head and pull out your 401K statement you just got last week.

nuff said.

[RagAss]

7. Actually, that's a great ad idea....

A hateful McNutbag ad on tv, blaring in the background, while someone at a kitchen table opens their 401k statement !

[Coexist]

8. that is a gread ad idea!

they can roll their eyes at the tv and discuss how much longer until they can retire under a 'repubican economy'

[RagAss]

13. .....while their children write a long list to Santa !

[Coexist]

22. no, while their children finish coloring in Obama's beautiful logo they were drawing.

[RagAss]

28. OK...Lights, Camera, Action !

[woo me with science]

47. Perfect. nt

[DCBob]

3. Don't worry. I suspect the Obama campaign is prepared for this.

I doubt it will have much impact. The shock value is gone now.

[polichick]

10. They've got the ad in the can!

[Native]

60. Of course they do! Considering the repubs have used everything BUT, doesn't take a rocket scientist

to figure they've been saving this for the home stretch. Even the article that appeared a day or so ago about McCain saying Wright would be off limits was a joke. Does anyone really think that anything would be off limits with that campaign?

[gblady]

61. don't ya just know....

that they do....
isn't that a great feeling!!!

[Number23]

74. I feel the same way. How could they NOT be prepared for this...

... when they've already seen it and completely HANDLED it a hundred times??

If these 537's want to waste their money on an issue that no one cares about and has been dealt with months ago, then it's their $$$ they're flushing away...

[npincus]

4. saw that.... McCain strategy: when you're in a hole, keep digging

polling has shown that these past, personal issues only move people (particularly Independients) AWAY from McCain.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Yeah- Ads Showing McCane Behind The "B" Girl Hoax

By 527s of course...

[RagAss]

12. I'll donate to that.......n/m

[Jawja]

6. No need to counter.

The public knows by now who Rev. Wright is and Obama has addressed it. I believe that revisiting Rev. Wright will result in another percentage point for Obama. It clearly shows that McCain has NOTHING and is DESPERATE. That equals LOSER and the public will perceive it as such.

Obama does not need to fall into the trap of defending himself on Wright AGAIN.

[political_Dem]

9. Brand them as racists who would use Ashley Todd as a tool for social unrest.

I agree with the folks who believe that they should keep Todd's story in the MSM, especially the part that the McCain camp tried to inflame tensions without fact-checking the entire truth.

Although Mr. Obama is too nice to do this, this should be placed into the hands of the surrogates.

[POAS]

11. This series of ads will be closely followed by

ads painting Obama as a Muslim terrorist. The sheep won't notice the contradiction!

[Alhena]

14. A group ran those in Michigan in September- didn't work out too well for them

I'm not worried about old recycled news.

[Ikonoklast]

15. It's just noise on the TV with the angry old pasty-faced guy mumbling at the end

The metal has been poured; the die has been cast.
It is too late to change.


But it just may drive even more moderates to Obama, as they see the desperation and hate come out.

[RagAss]

17. LOL.....it is pathetic.

[iamjoy]

16. Talk To People

Obama just needs to make an ad talking to people. He's very reassuring.

[Higher Standard]

18. Who Is John McCain?

They should run an ad with footage of John McCain earlier in the year talking about how he was looking forward to an honorable campaign about the issues, then talk about all the attacks and 100% negative ads that have nothing to do with the issues. Cap it off by pointing out that McCain wants to spend so much time trying to define Barack Obama that he really hasn't offered much of any reason why people should vote for McCain.

[H2O Man]

19. Laughter.

Their ads will not be taken seriously.

[JBoris]

20. I thought Obama bought up all of the air time for next week.

or are the ads gonna play only on Faux and Morning Joe?

[C_U_L8R]

21. It's the final flush for John McCain

the sorry dope doesn't realize that he's done himself in.

[JBoy]

53. Flush twice. It's a long way back to Arizona.

[Hieronymus]

23. Desperation is so ugly.

[Essene]

24. There is no REAL story with Rev Wright... so let them feel more backlash

Wright's guilty of making 1 statement about "chickens coming home to roost" which was taken out of context.

He's guilty of saying "god damn america" in a sermon about justice in america.

Wright serves the GOP much better as a bogeyman than as a real scandal. They know this and just hope the truth wont fully come out.

[endthewar]

25. McCain is too far behind and doesn't have enough ad money

Plus after calling Obama a baby-killer, a socialist, and saying that he's pallin around with terrorists, Rev. Wright attacks just don't have that much sting anymore.

[Higher Standard]

26. It's the 527s, not McCain

Though I do agree, after all this time, I don't think the issue has the bite that McCain or his surrogates think it might anymore.

[endthewar]

30. The 527s won't have nearly enough money to make a huge impact

Other than having MSNBC and FOX News play their commercial for free to talk about it and analyze it. They would need to play in some very expensive media markets to have a big effect. Also, this B-girl story threatens to continue driving the news cycle at the beginning of next week no matter what commercials are released. McCain is toast. :evilgrin:

[RagAss]

32. Is the MSM still talking about B girl?... I've seen nothing on MSNBC this morning......

all I saw was Joe Scar talking about McCains possible surprise comeback and the news on the 527's that I opened this thread for. B girl has been dropped there anyway.

[endthewar]

48. MSNBC is talking about it

mainly as a politically motivated story.

[maxrandb]

40. Don't need add money

Just pay 100K to run it on the "Great Meals of Norway" channel, then get Faux, MSNBC, CNN, ABC and CBS to "re-run" it 24/7 in the guise of "news".

AKA the Swift Boat Ads

[Honeycombe8]

27. I thought this would happen. They were saving the most controversial for the last few days.

It'll cost some votes, but O's so far ahead at this point, I don't know that it'll help McSame win anything important. He's already slated to win (probably) FL and maybe OH, although that's not a given. And even with those two big wins, it's not enuf for him to win.

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[CADEMOCRAT7]

29. It is sad that they have no concern about McCain's honor, this campaign has destroyed him.

This was the last piece of honor he had left. If they go there, that will be it. Complete disgrace of a man who stated that honor was a value of his.
Politically, it is too late in the campaign to try, and yet another tactic (exhausting to watch such a mess of a campaign). This late game character assassination does not work. All the polls have shown, it does not work. Especially, after the public saw Senator Obama in the debates. It just will backfire on the McSame camp.

[RagAss]

43. Honor? What fucking honor?

[CADEMOCRAT7]

73. Oh it read 527s, thought it was the McSame camp.

I know...what honor. I was making a very feeble attempt just in case any who would be reading from a different camp would see that and reconsider ( I know I am in la la land on that).
It is painful for me to watch the depths of the gutter the McSame camp is in. The last ad with Biden's voice over, was horrid, really horrid. From strictly a political study, it is awful to watch how terrible that campaign has been run...
And, that said, seeing what the McSame camp is capable of, I want an Obama landslide so they can not steal anything from US.

[deadparrot]

31. Why do we need a counterpunch?

The Wright "controversy" began and ended months ago. It's old news...one of the luxuries of a hard-fought, nasty primary.

People are uninterested in negative attacks...Ayers, ACORN, scary Muslim terrorist, baby killer, etc. None have worked so far; why should this one?

[Essene]

33. exactly

all it does it make a few bigots feel more justified in their bigotry... turns off many others... and general solidifies in the mind of the rest that the mccain/gop are doing nothing but nasty smearing.

[Hansel]

67. Yep. Hannity did Obama a huge favor by jumping the gun on this.

Also, CNN had two focus groups on last night and the participants said that a candidate's church should be off limits. That the candidate should not be held responsible for their pastor's words. They really did not like the Rev Wright story and thought is was inappropriate. These were Republicans, Independents and Democrats.

Not only is it old news, it is likely to backfire.

[billyoc]

34. I have a few:

http://www.reverendjeremiahwright.com/pages/r/reverendjeremiahwright.com-index-denav-1.html

[jeanmarc]

35. The real reason they run these ads is race baiting

They are desperate. They put the story of Ashley Todd out there without any vetting at all, and now they want to scare white voters with the black preacher.

John McCain is a disgusting dishonorable American and John Lewis is right.

[RagAss]

37. So true...The fake outrage against Lewis was racist !!!!

[Montauk6]

36. OO EE OO AH AH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNZj3fH-7zc

[mallOUf]

38. I really don't think it will matter

I think they could actually help Obama this time. People are tired of the negative crap...

If we do respond, we can show the nutbag Palin having the witches spell cast out of her

[DeschutesRiver]

39. Like Ayers, it will be seen as "not this old shit again"; so use AIP as fresh meat

if Obama were to counter-punch with a short ad listing a few of the actual facts about Palin and her husband's AIP involvement, it will be fresh as a daisy to most people.

Rev Wright = guy who is a man of god, who sometimes was ticked off at our country for the way our country treated part of the population. Demands solutions within the framework of the existing government and country. Someone who Obama knew as a pastor.

AIP = working movement to remove Alaska from the U.S. A group with goals like those who took down the Murrah Building in Oklahoma. A group actively working to remove themselves and their state from this country, and willing to do violence to achieve the goal.

A group that Tawd Palin verifiably belonged to, that Sarah likely belonged to up until she became mayor (see their own tape discussing this and her prospects by going "under cover" as a member of one of the normal political parties, ie Repub), a group she spoke to as late as this year wishing them well with their goals, and evidence of the AIP people with whom she attempted to stack some official state positions, etc.

This is not a girl scout cookie group, or a group that is unhappy with the treatment of some members of society. This is a group designed to remove Alaska from the rest of our society in the USA. By violent means if necessary. Murrah Building bombing kind of folks.

And if Obama's team just stuck to a couple of unrefutable facts, ie what the group is, what they've said/done, the fact of Todd's recent past membership, and Sarah's support via speechs as governor at their meetings, it will hit people who've never heard of it like a hockey puck to the head.

[RagAss]

45. Good idea.

[DogPoundPup]

41. Counterpunch comes from Anchorage Daily News...

Palin blessing echoed extreme strategy

Published: October 25th, 2008 12:19 AM
Last Modified: October 25th, 2008 03:15 AM

Most who watched the YouTube clip of Rev. Thomas Muthee's "laying on of hands" ritual protecting Gov. Sarah Palin from witches at least raised an eyebrow. Witchcraft is considered hocus pocus by many Americans but has a distinct cultural context in Kenya and other parts of Central Africa where Muthee is from.

Extreme Christian Nationalists not only believe that the United States was founded as a Christian nation but that its institutions should be run entirely by fundamentalist or evangelical Christians. They believe they have a mandate to purge our institutions of "humanists" who believe that humans are in control of their own destiny, progressive Christians and non-Christians. They believe there are seven areas of society that must be controlled, the so-called Seven Mountains Strategy: church, family, education, government and law, media, arts and entertainment and business.

Muthee echoed this Christian Nationalist strategy in his Palin blessing sermon, where he stated, "When we talk about transformation of a society, a community, it's where we see God's Kingdom infiltrate ... seven areas in our society." Muthee went on to describe his version of the Seven Mountains Strategy and when he got to politics he was praying for Gov. Palin.

About 40 percent of the U.S. population describe themselves as fundamentalist or evangelical but not all subscribe to Christian Nationalism. Michelle Goldberg estimates about 10 percent to 15 percent of the U.S. adult population are Christian Nationalists. They are overwhelmingly white and Republican and make up a significant part of the "base" of the party. A number of notable spokesmen of the conservative religious right are associated with Christian Nationalist beliefs, among them Franklin Graham (but not his father Billy), Pat Robertson and Douglas Coe.

Christian Nationalism is a form of American exceptionalism -- the idea that Americans are unique because of our heritage. Christian exceptionalism dates back to Puritan leader John Winthrop. Normally exceptionalism is recognized as the unique founding of the United States built on immigrant pluralism and based on Enlightenment ideals. But Winthrop promoted a different type of exceptionalism. In his "shining city on the hill" sermon Winthrop rejected the equality of religious pluralism and affirmed instead that the United States is a Christian nation built on Christian, not Enlightenment, principles and was to be ruled by Christians.

more at http://www.adn.com/opinion/story/567096.html

[RBInMaine]

69. OUR 527's need to go with KEATING, HAGEE, PARSELY, SHOOTING WOLVES, WITCH DOCTORS, and the rest of

the Palin EXTREME social views. WE GO WITH THE $150,000 CLOTHING FROM SACKS 5TH AVENUE, AND ALL THE REST. THIS IS GOOD NEWS !! LET'S HAVE ONE HELL OF A SOCIAL ISSUES FIGHT AND SEE HOW THE R'S LIKE IT. MCCAIN HIMSELF DOES NOT WANT TO GO THERE BECAUSE HE KNOWS IT IS A LOSER FOR THEM. Also,the Obama team continues to simply POUND McSAME with ads that RIDICULE his GUTTER TACTICS, TELL PEOPLE HE IS DESPERATE, and then pivot to the economy, economy, economy !!

[DainBramaged]

42. One word, Keating5

[obiwan]

44. Too late to be effective.

[1corona4u]

46. Muthee commercials?

I think it's fair game....

[workinclasszero]

49. 527 ads on Rev. Wright to begin this weekend...

Yeah cause it worked so well the first time!:rofl:

It just proves the thugs have NOTHING on Obama. People are scared shitless over the economy and McKKKain trots out this horseshit one more time. What a f'n IDIOT!

I'm sure his racist base voters will love it though. To bad for McBush that he can't win a general election with just those losers. :D

[Window]

50. How about an ad by McCain denouncing the use of Rev. Wright. Nuff said.

[seabeyond]

51. but i thought he was a muslim?.... n/t

[independentpiney]

52. How about Obama doing a 30 min. special, say on the 29th?

I bet that would put anything to rest. Not that these won't backfire on them anyway. It shows they're despicable and have nothing else.

[Thrill]

54. The media plays the shit over and over. And talks about it. The ads would be no big deal

if the media wouldn't advertise it for them

[stillcool]

55. No wonder CNN is pushing the race..

thing and interjecting Reverend Wright into every conversation. They must be laying the groundwork for the McCain campaign. I hope they're getting paid well.

[GoesTo11]

56. Who is this Rev. Wright? Is this some new scandal I haven't heard of?

Not that Obama would do it, but I would love to see the "trollop" ad about now.

[The Night Owl]

57. Mary Glazier and her bulging membranes...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=209221

[BumRushDaShow]

58. EPIC FAIL. Is Obama a "radical Christian" or a "radical Muslim"? You decide.

And then heads explode. The end.

:rofl:

[BearSquirrel2]

59. flip flops ....

We should run ads highlighting all of McCain's flip flops. Then again, there isn't enough advertising space available for this.

[MattP]

62. The media will run the ad over and over for free

Almost every night on CNN the last week I have heard the question when is McCain going to bring up Wright as if they are begging McCain to do so, they don't have to because asking about him they are doing the job for him.

[a la izquierda]

63. Perfect counterpunch: a certain Chilean dictator.

Only if senator Obama feels the need. I don't think he needs to go there though.

[Diamonique]

64. I saw my first one today.

On CNN. I've seen two 527 anti-Obama ads. One of them mentioned Wright, but he wasn't the main focus. It was a jumble of things, and Wright was at the very end. I don't see how this ad could change any minds. The other ad didn't mention Wright at all.

I'm in Michigan where McCain stopped running ads a couple of weeks ago. Obama has had the airwaves all to himself.

[Vinca]

65. I doubt there is any ad about any topic McCain can run that will

change the course of this election. No one cared about Ayers - in fact it backfired on them - and no one cares about Rev. Wright. That said, if we've got a 527 to run a compilation of the witch doctor tape, Hagee and the rest of them, it would be amusing.

[spanone]

66. c h a n g e

[Proud Liberal Dem]

68. I came in a little late to the Primary party

What is this controversy boil down to for Obama anyway? O.k., so he want to the church run by a fiery African-American pastor- who has a (legitimate) beef with some things that have happened to African-Americans in the past- for several years.

What exactly are critics saying that his attendance says about Obama and what he believes and how he'll govern as President? Are they suggesting that perhaps Obama shares such radical views? I understand that Obama eventually denounced some of Wright's more incendiary comments/views and stopped attending his church but I'm still not clear exactly how it can be realistically assumed that anybody who attends a church agrees 100% with EVERYTHING being espoused and there is no evidence AFAIK that Obama shares some of Wright's more "radical" views.

Could somebody break the whole thing down for me or at least point me in the direction of a good article that does? Thanks!

[RBInMaine]

70. THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS !! YAY. NOW WE CAN OPEN UP ON THEM WITH KEATING 5, $150,000 CLOTHES, WITCHES

IN ALASKA, CRAZY PENTECOSTALISM, THE ALASKA INDEPENDENCE PARTY (THIS IS A HUGE ONE !!!), TROOPERGATE, MCCAIN'S CONNECTION TO GORDON LIDDY AND EVERY EXTREME ORGANIZATION HE HAS EVER BEEN ON,
PALIN WANTING TO LOCK UP DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS AND MAKE RAPE VICTIMS PAY FOR THEIR OWN TREATMENT, ETC. ETC. ETC. YES, LET'S HAVE ONE HELL OF A GREAT SOCIAL ISSUES FIGHT, WHICH THEIR SIDE WILL LOSE BIGTIME, AND THEN WE ALSO PIVOT EVERY ATTACK BACK TO THE ECONOMY, ECONOMY, ECONOMY !!

[alcibiades_mystery]

72. You've gone from scattered caps to all caps

You need to calm down. You're losing it.

[RBInMaine]

76. Oh, do excuse my caps. I humbly beg your forgiveness.

[RBInMaine]

77. Here's a thought, why don't you focus on WHAT is written rather than HOW it is written. Or are you

really that anal?

[alcibiades_mystery]

78. The rantings of a

crazy person.

When you see a kook carrying on in a median, do you usually listen to the crazy rantings, or remark that there's some kook ranting and raving?

:shrug:

[sampsonblk]

71. Easy: "that's all you guys have to talk about?"

If McCain does this, he will sink even further.

[Omerrrta]

75. ads with mccain voting against MLK day. -nt

[DainBramaged]

79. Obama owns all of the TV time available, where are they showing them

Springfield?

[sufrommich]

80. I've already seen the ad in Michigan,it's put out by a group

called "Our Country Deserves Better Pac". They're pretty terrible and hateful.

[moriah]

81. It's old news. People either care or don't, but it's nothing that will change opinions.

.... the only good thing about the heated primary battle, well other than the fact it got Democrats more fired up about an election than we have been in a long damn time, was that all of the Wright BS is old news to people.

If Ayers didn't make people change their minds, Reverend Wright will not either.

It is not an effective last-ditch tactic -- and the fact that's all they have left is SO telling.

[CreekDog]

82. God help me if everything my pastor said was attributed to me

they have their wacky days, even the best of them.

and lots of us just go because of the denomination, if the pastor spouts off about something completely unrelated to that, does that somehow mean that i believe it?

i hate to rehash this whole thing but it just bugged me, this whole guilt by association nonsense.