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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 08:37 PM
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Touch-Screen Votes Now Flip in 4th State (TX)! Obama/DNC Attorneys Still AWOL!


ES&S Touch-Screen Votes Now Flip in TX Too! Obama/DNC Attorneys Still AWOL!
State After State, ES&S iVotronics Are Flipping Democratic Votes to Republican!
What You Can Do About It, And Where the Hell Are Those 'Thousands' of Obama/DNC Attorneys?...

This is just getting worse and worse. Now it's happening in Texas. (And in MO, if you read to the end of the article). And the vaunted "thousands of attorneys" from the Obama campaign and the DNC are so far nowhere to be found.

That, despite almost identical incidents in county after county in WV and TN, and we're just getting started. The latest stories of ES&S iVotronic touch-screen voting failures, with straight-ticket Democratic votes flipping -- time and again -- to Republican straight-ticket votes in the Lone Star State, are a doozy. Please click through to read about it.

If Obama and the DNC won't do anything, at least The BRAD BLOG offers you some information on what you can do if the same thing happens to you...

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6559

ES&S Touch-Screen Disasters From Last Few Days...

Vote Flips 5 Times From Dem to Rep for Voter in Yet Another WV County
Epidemic of ES&S iVotronic Touch-Screen Voting Machine Failures - Now in At Least Two States - Continues to Grow...
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6550
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Votes Flip R to D in Decatur County, TN
Can We Remove the Machines NOW?!
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6547
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Candidate Names Missing on Final Review Screens in SC (Updated)
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6547
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Election Filmmaker Sees Own Vote Flipped From Dem in TN
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6540
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ES&S Vote-Flipping Seen in 2 WV Counties
FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6528

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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 08:52 PM
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1. k & r
:kick:
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:11 PM
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2. Thank you, Tuesday_Morning!
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:17 PM
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3. Interesting ....... those 4 states are as I can see ....
Edited on Fri Oct-24-08 09:44 PM by doublethink
all 'presumed' to be going republican anyway in the Presidential Election 2008 .... even now. Maybe the Obama operatives are concentrating on voter irregularities in states that matter? Just food for thought .... gotta stay vigilant and put resources ($) where it matters. Peace. We shall see. Somebody correct me if I am wrong.

note: just stating this because I believe the Obama campaign is really ingenious and 'know what's up' though they don't always come out and say it ....

on edit: Texas, Tennessee, Missouri, West Virgina ..... red no matter what we do? Talk me down .... :)
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:33 PM
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7. Maybe Texas wouldn't be considered "red" if our votes were tabulated correctly
Otherwise we would always remain a "red" state.

The main reason we are a "red" state is Democrats don't bother voting. I have access to our database and I have voting records going back to 1992. It is a sad situation but it is what it is.

I think this year could make a difference because Democrats are going to the polls in record numbers.

These numbers are totaled together and consist of early voting and absentee ballots. Number of voters only reflect the voting @ the poll numbers

Monday: Number of voters: 28758 .................. Total to Date:58394

Tuesday: Number of voters: 31995.................. Total to Date: 90982

Wednesday: Number of voters:29050 .............Total to Date: 120543

Thursday: Number of voters: 28596 ................Total to Date: 150048


They haven't posted today's numbers yet.

http://www.tarrantcounty.com/evote/lib/evote/2008/11042008/ev/2008Nov_DailyTotals.pdf




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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:35 AM
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12. I think you got it right the first time.
TX is a blue state. It's red only because the votes are tabulated incorrectly IMO. Dems have perhaps stopped voting for reasons beyond their control. There are a lot of states that are in reality blue but have become red since the advent of electronic voting.

If next year there were a law passed to mandate hand counted paper ballots and the vote were counted correctly (and the huge GOP vote suppression machine could be somehow destroyed, which means vote caging, unnecessary ID requirements, ex-felon lists, etc. etc.), GA and TX and TN I believe would almost immediately become blue states and people would be saying how amazing it was that the Dems voted in such huge numbers.
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:46 PM
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28. So 435 House Races, etc. don't matter?...

In addition to the Presidential race, I understand there are 435 U.S. House races, 30-something U.S. Senate races, and untold state and local races and initiatives.

Are you suggest that none of those should matter to the DNC because they are in "red" states? (And please stop using that Karl Rove paradigm! There are NO RED STATES!)

The DNC is out to lunch on this issue. Big time. They are a disaster.

Also, btw, these are not "voter irregularities", they are election irregularties. The voters are doing fine. Please leave them alone!
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:21 PM
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4. I live in Tarrant County, county seat of Fort Worth
I have been in contact with my Election's Office Admin about our eSlate machines.

He has tried to be reassuring that our elections can not be tampered with and there is no way the machines can have votes switched, data files or tabulation files tampered with.

I'll send you my emails if you would like the info. PM me if you do and I'll send them to you.

Vote switching isn't the ONLY problems here in Texas. Poll workers are telling voters if you want to vote straight ticket that you also have to check the individual boxes for President. This is incorrect information. Whenever I hear of these stories I try to get voters to call the TDP as well as their election offices. There are also poll workers asking for picture ID's this is against the LAW if you have your voter registration with you when you go to the polls.


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ekelly Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 06:19 PM
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25. I voted today on an eSlate machine....
in Ft. Worth at the Summerfields library branch, on Basswood Blvd., zipcode 76137.

I am happy to report that the workers there were conducting proper early voting.

There was a man working the line of waiting voters, explaining how the machine works, (how to input your individual code, the fact that in order to vote a straight ticket you do NOT need to make an additional selection for President, etc....)
He also encouraged everyone to review each screen of the ballot to make sure that their choices were showing properly before pressing the "Cast Ballot" key.

I did not witness anyone being asked to show ID if they had their registration card with them. In fact, the worker who was walking up and down the line was asking people to have their registration cards ready and telling those people that they do NOT need ID.

All in all, the process was quick and efficient. Everything seemed to be on the up-and-up.

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MarthaMyDear Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:56 PM
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34. My experience voting in Hays County, TX (south of Austin)...
...was uneventful. The poll workers were wonderful, explaining the process, helping the handicapped and elderly in line. Very pleased to see a large, diverse turnout! It was the eSlate device, and seemed to work well, all my candidates were listed and then I hit "Cast ballot".

Those folks campaigning out front must've gotten sunburnt today, it was SO sunny!
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:49 PM
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31. Your Election Official is lying to you...
I have been in contact with my Election's Office Admin about our eSlate machines.

He has tried to be reassuring that our elections can not be tampered with and there is no way the machines can have votes switched, data files or tabulation files tampered with.

I'll send you my emails if you would like the info. PM me if you do and I'll send them to you.


He is lying to you. But I guess you knew that. Will try to drop you a PM for those emails.
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psychobueller Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:21 PM
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5. Someone needs to video tape it on their cell phone!
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:35 PM
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8. Yes (nt)
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:23 AM
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20. Illegal in my county
:shrug:
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 09:32 PM
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6. The Tennessee "votes flipped from McCain to Obama" story is bullshit.
Visit this DU thread for the details. I just knew that any story involving Rethugs being harmed by vote-flipping on DREs was too good to be true. Turns out, it is.

Brad, I sent you this information by email earlier today and posted it on two of your web-site threads. Unfortunately, Bill Moyers mentioned this faux story this evening as if it was true. It isn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=509810&mesg_id=509810
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:52 PM
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32. Thanks, Bernie...
Saw the comments (though had missed the original email) and updated both stories that mentioned it accordingly.

In truth, I don't think there's any prob w/ Moyers mentioning it. Perhaps it'll help piss off some Repubs and THEY (at least) might call for these frickin' touch-screens to be taken out of service NOW!

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-24-08 11:54 PM
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9. k&r n/t
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HPD Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 12:23 AM
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10. I wouldn't want the lawyers to even bother with Texas
granted there are other candidates to be concerned about, but that's not Obama's concern. He needs to send the lawyers out to states that are close.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:44 AM
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13. Yeah Texas doesn't need OUR votes to be counted
:eyes:

Since when did counting votes NOT matter to the Democratic Party:shrug: How could Texas possibly turn BLUE again if Votes AREN"T COUNTED. I live here and I WANT OUR VOTES TO COUNT.

If you lived here and this was YOUR VOTE would you still feel the same way?.?.?

In case you didn't know this already Texas has 34 electoral votes.




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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:20 PM
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39. Heh....if he were to get TX
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 08:31 PM by rainbow4321
I want someone to ask the talking head "sooo...TX had 34 EV, why is it that you guys didn't know what was going on down there?"

But given the M$M's history, even if mcclame gets TX by only a single digit difference win, they still won't report that it matters (chimpass won by points 20 points each time)
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:18 AM
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14. That's pure bullshit, HPD. Obama supposedly has 5000 lawyers available to fight this crap.
EVERY STATE matters. This election could be a landslide of historic proportions, giving Obama a mandate for real change. If votes aren't counted that goes against our goals of changing this country for the better. We must have Progressive Dems elected in order for Obama to effect the change that is needed.


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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:53 PM
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33. Please STOP internalizing Karl Rove's narrative!
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 07:54 PM by BradBlog
EVERY state, every candidate, ever initiative is in play. Period.

Thank you!
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bfealk Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 04:32 AM
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11. I e-mailed this story to Bob Bauer, Obama Campaign attorney
I don't know if this will go anywhere, but I did e-mail this story to Bob Bauer, the Obama campaign attorney that sued the Michigan Republican party over using foreclosure lists to disenfranchise voters.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:22 AM
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15. GREAT! Thank YOU!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:24 AM
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16. I voted on an ES&S machine this week
:scared:
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:33 AM
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17. wow... thanks to bradblog for tracking this carefully...
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 10:17 AM
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18. K&R to keep track of all anomalies. //nt
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scytherius Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:20 AM
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19. This is one I just don't understand.
There has GOT to be a reason. I mean this campaign is all over EVERYTHING. Why not this? I am baffled. They haven't failed us yet so I can only conclude they have reason.
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:57 PM
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35. Start understanding it: The Dems are OUT TO LUNCH on E-voting issues. Period.

They haven't failed us yet so I can only conclude they have reason.


Really? How'd they do after they lost to Hillary in New Hampshire in January when pre-election polls AND exit polls said they should have won?

Obama could have recounted the ENTIRE state by hand (instead of on the exact same Diebold op-scan machines shown as easily hacked in HBO's "Hacking Democracy") for just $2000. (That's two-thousand dollars.)

Where was Obama? Did he fail you then?
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:26 AM
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21. k&r - everyone should be following this and making sure they don't steal the election again nt
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:37 AM
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22. What is the link or phone number for the 5000 lawyers?
Who is calling them?

I would not assume that they are AWOL but they are surely BUSY and need to be informed!
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:56 AM
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23. Big K & R !!!
:kick:

:mad:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 03:37 PM
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24. I heard you discussing this on the Peter B Collins show yesterday - Appalling
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 03:38 PM by LaPera
that not a single Obama lawyer is checking into this obvious stealing (vote flipping) tactic.....As you mentioned yesterday afternoon Obama just doesn't deem to get it...as most democrats don't....they think it's going to be as easy ride, ever though Rove and the republicans have been working on stealing this election every day for four years....they knew what the shape of the economy would be in, the unpopular wars, inflation, gas prices, no universal health coverage, etc...and knew their only chance to hold on to fascist imperialistic power was to steal it through purging of Democratic voters (which they have done and doing daily) and the stealing, flipping and non counts on their republican corps. owned electronic voting machines in precincts needed for them to steal swing states.

The republican have been doing it now in election after election and still the fucking Dems do nothing nor seem to care going along with their heads up their asses.

All one has to do is look at Georgia 2002 and Ohio 2004, and Florida 2006 and do the slightest bit of research to see & expose the obvious...

Now Bush is going to use his republican Attorney General to purge over 200,000 mostly democratic voters from swing state Ohio's voting rolls...if this planned theft isn't obvious to Obama and his do nothing lawyers...then what the fuck are they around for?

Why everyone isn't outraged is mind-blowing to me...

Brad you should also put your thread in DU General Discussion: Presidential as well as Daily Kos and other forums if you haven't already.

This is very frustrating to me!!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:41 PM
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26. Bradblog is pure class
:kick:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:43 PM
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27. Machines are flipping to Mccain when Obama buttons are pushed - just like Kerry & Bush but
their the same machines used in 2004, what do you expect?
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Rocknrule Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:47 PM
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29. I wonder why they're even bothering to try to steal Texas though
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:07 PM
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38. Even if you go by the "Obama will never win TX" theory
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 08:07 PM by rainbow4321
There are a LOT of downticket Dem candidates who WILL benefit from the huge turnout down here. Right down to the Dems who are running for county commissioners' offices, county judges, etc... Strait ticket=coat tails. Too many of the TX local repukes have gotten kinda comfortable in their offices and now they are probably getting a nervous. Texas' huge voter registration drives and now GOTV drives are getting in their way of possibly getting re-elected.

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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:48 PM
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30. But the machines never record Republican votes as Democratic ones
This bullshit is intolerable. It is blatant out and out vote stealing.
:grr:
I hope Obama's Justice Department tracks down, investigates and prosecutes the criminals who are involved in this.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:58 PM
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36. I hope the Obama campaign will be on this soon.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 07:59 PM
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37. Wait -- does everyone have a right to request a paper ballot??
Edited on Sat Oct-25-08 08:00 PM by Sparkly
From Brad Blog:

"But whether it's a straight-party vote or not, no voter should ever cast a vote on a touch-screen machine unless they are forced to."
"...(E)very voter needs to be given a paper ballot where these machines are currently being used."
"So what do you do about it when your vote flips? Other than demanding a paper ballot, and demanding these machines be confiscated and quarantined immediately?"

Is there a right to a paper ballot?
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Liberal In Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:25 PM
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41. I asked about paper ballots at the polling place, they said they only had
provisional ballots - or as Thom Hartman calls them "placebo ballots". So it's not an option in Texas.

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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:27 PM
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42. Oh.
:(

It SHOULD be a right.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:23 PM
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40. Are people using video to verify this?
If they aren't, they should be. We need definitive proof.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:32 PM
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44. I don't know about other TX counties
But in mine, cell phones in the voting area are not allowed so pulling one out of your pocket at the booth would get you in a little bit of trouble.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:39 PM
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46. Are they not private booths?
It would be worth whatever trouble may come of it to capture such fraud on video. The law is probably in place for just such a reason.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:50 PM
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47. Nope....no booth walls, no nothing
Eslate machines all lined up in in a huge semi-circle, so close that the machines pretty touch each other. You walk up to the machine and insert the ATM card-looking thingy they give you when you check in to vote.
Nothing like those curtained booths they like to show on the news where you do your voting out of view. All a poll worker would have to do is stand in one spot, scan the room, and they can see every voter at every machine..along with any cell phones being pulled out/used.
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Liberal Mommy Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 09:00 PM
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48. When I voted in TX there were no booths
We were packed in a room shoulder to shoulder...very frustrating!
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:27 PM
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43. And the reason votes are never flipped to Dems is...?
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 08:36 PM
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45. Why don't the McCain votes ever flip to Obama?
No one seems to be experiencing that problem. Why?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:12 PM
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49. The OBAMA/DNC attorneys must surely be up to something. Is it
possible it's a a trap they have laid for the Repugs? And they're going to expose the fraud. Or is it really that they are confident that the number of Democratic Voters will be more than enough to hammer them.
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BradBlog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 05:18 PM
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52. The OBAMA/DNC attorneys are up to nothing...except denial...
Or is it really that they are confident that the number of Democratic Voters will be more than enough to hammer them.


If that's their bet, they may be right in many cases. But Obama is NOT the only one running, and the disrespect they are showing to their voters and supporters is outrageous.

Either you believe every vote matters, or you don't. So far, I've seen little sign that the Obama/DNC team is interested in fighting for the voters.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 06:02 PM
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53. I'm on your side Brad. I was just hoping against hope. Not to get the
Edited on Sun Oct-26-08 06:10 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
kind of majority in the Senate to thwart a filibuster would be infuriating. All the more so, if, as I expect, you're correct.

If only you could all rely on each other voting, but they couldn't. They'd be under more pressure to match the voters' commitment. I marvel at the commitment shown by many members of the various disadvantaged minorities and students among the Democratic voters, which is sometimes really heroic. I'd probably get so angry I'd have a heart attack.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 01:26 PM
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50. kick
:kick:
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JDwho Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-26-08 02:19 PM
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51. Every single vote counts, without regard to color of state!!!!!
Isn't that (supposed to be) the core of the democratic process? We need to continue pushing for an investigation regarding this fraud. The machines aren't calibrated? BS! We can send men to space for goodness sakes, but we can't create a machine to count votes correctly??? Bull!! Never again. If so, there better be a rubber room reserved for me.
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