Are the Democrats too gutless to use the cocaine at Camp David allegations

[skjpm]

Oh, please, let the Democrats have the guts to use this rumor. Let them run with it and not be afraid of hurting the opposition. Please, please, please, let's play dirty for once. It will work.

[David Dunham]

1. We should e-mail everyone about Bush's cocaine use at Camp David

[ClassWarrior]

2. Why do the Democrats have to use it??

Please, oh please let THE MEDIA have the guts to air this rumor. Let them run with it and not be afraid of hurting the Bush* Reich. Please, please, please, let them play dirty on the other guys for once.

That's the only way it will work.

[lancdem]

8. Yes

The media made the Swift Boat ads into a full-blown controversy, not the Repukes.

[Dying Eagle]

3. I think that would backfire

NO proof, Yes I know that repukes do it, but remember the media isn't on our side!!

[ClassWarrior]

4. Great Cheeseheads think alike...

[jeff30997]

5. Are the Democrats too gutless ?

I'm afraid they are.It will not be used.:(

[NYCGirl]

6. The good thing is that we DON'T HAVE TO. (eom)

NT

[coreystone]

30. NYCGirl.....Love the toon.....

with Moore choking the darlings out of Bush! I am sure it is only a figurative gesture!
:)

[K-W]

7. Bad idea, the nation dealt with his coked up past in 2000

Its a non-issue now. Could it hurt him a little bit if its publisized right now, yah, and it will do that on its own. The democrats would get very little from pushing this and it would probably hurt them more than it would help them.

[Dr Fate]

11. Bush was NEVER interviewed about this subject.

You are wrong, the nation has NEVER heard the full story about this, or these particular allegations.

Bush needs to come forward and confirm or deny these charges.

[K-W]

12. No, the Bush as a cokehead meme was very widespread.

It was turned into a joke. It certainly did hurt him in 2000. Yes we dont know all the facts but unless something turns up that cant fall under the umbrella that Bush did alot of coke when he was younger, the impact will be small. The meme is already out and already dealt with and turned into a joke.

[Dr Fate]

16. Show me the transcripts of Bush being interviewed about it then.

I recall one single, tiny question being asked of him at a press conference.

He gave that BS answer about FBI background checks, and then no one in the press mentioned it again. these new charges conflict with his one answer on this.

I want to hear Bush answer these new charges in his own words.

I never heard about him doing blow at a late age, much less at Camp David.

He needs to answer these charges.

If untrue, the media needs to "get to the bottom" of all of this, like they did w/ the Swift-boat ads.

[K-W]

18. we are talking about different things

I agree that I would like to know the details, I agree the media should investigate it.

I simply dont think that it will cause Bush that much image damage. People have already heard about his cocaine use, it is already a part of his persona. Therefore unless something comes out about him selling it, smuggling it, or doing to some obscene extent, it wont have a very large effect on his image.

Therefore I do agree that the media should cover it and dig for info, but the Kerry campaign should stay away from it. It would look petty and likely accomplish little other than proving something everyone already knew.

[Dr Fate]

21. Cool- then we almost agree...

...I think that MORE visuals & details could make this a stronger story.

We can disagree on the degree that this would tarnish Bush's "Honest Christian" image.

It's not about the coke, it's about LYING about snorting (smoking?shooting?) coke.

[arcos]

23. true, it's old, but I think the rumors were about his college years...

not Camp David, less than 20 years ago.

[ant]

9. c'mon, people, have we learned nothing?

The Democrats can't pick up this crap. Kerry and his "official" surrogates can't go around making these accusations.

But if some independent group or individual were to start spreading rumors, what can poor Kerry do? It's out of his control. He's not involved with them. He's said repeatedly that he objects to the lies spread by these 527s. He suffered weeks of being attacked by them, and he calls on the president to condemn all such ads.

[EST]

13. As I recall

This will be covered quite handily in Kelly's book. Coupla weeks. Try to be patient. When the Douche talked about being silly during his young silly season, he didn't mention that he's never outgrown his silly season. People will start noticing he has a tail, even though they've been too polite to mention it up 'til now.

[Dr Fate]

10. Carville brought up the book today on Crossfire.

I think we should certainly "advertise" the book by "denouncing this sort of thing" on every single news program.

Perhaps DEMS should suggest- "It's probably not true, but you reporters should get to the bottom of this with TV interviews concerning everyone involved..."

[kentuck]

14. Let the surrogates bring it up....

The media will take care of the rest of it.... They love these type of stories..

[sweetheart]

15. yes

let the minions take them down. Kerry is the leader, let him
open the battle lines.... and while the rest of us pile in on
every single area of combat that needs concern.

[skjpm]

17. Why are we so afraid of smear tactics?

I can just hear the Cahills and McCauliffes going "But that would be wrong! We can't sink to their level!" In the first place, it's probably true, and Sharon Bush was closer to Bush than John O'Neill was to Kerry. And we don't have to play nice, anyway.

[madfloridian]

19. Because we have been lectured for years like little children.

It has become a part of who we are. We have to break out of the mold.

Howard Dean has done it, in spite of being slammed by many Democrats. He still is, in fact. But he just keeps right on going after them. It has had an impact.

How long since you saw a color coded alert on the stations?

[sweetheart]

24. war and spies

In the art of war, it is not the general's job to fight the war, as
he is but one man... it is his job to delegate, and where it is
unseemly for appearances sake, "not" to delegate.

I think you misinterpret. I merely point that Mr. Kerry should not
trifle himself with such things... they are for "us" and 527's. I've
no problem with dirt, hell the last 4 years have been full time dirt,
so its hardly new.

Here in democrat thinking land, we empower all people to take back
their democracy, and i wholly encourage any persons who feel right
about attacking the pukes however they feel right, to do just that.
Bush wants to fight dirty... well then, in the dungeons of liberalism
are some serious demons of dirt... i say unleash them... and call
them "friends of nader".

[Pepperbelly]

20. that's what 527s are for ...

The campaign itself should not touch this, not even with a fifty foot pole.

[Doohickie]

35. 527s are done

527s cannot buy advertising during the last 60 days of the campaign, by law.

[leesa]

22. But there is no proof unless the Thailand sex-slave's ex-wife has photos

it will be dismissed in a nanosecond.

[Orangepeel]

25. attack him on what he's done in the past 4 years, not 20 years ago

IIRC, his response to all of the allegations of this type has always been something like "when I was young I did stuff I'm not proud of, but then I found Laura and God." The press and much of the public has always lapped that up with a spoon and they will again.

[Jack Rabbit]

26. I've thought the Democrats timid too often, but this is a crock of manure

We know who Kitty Kelley is and what she does for a living. If there lower scum than John O'Neill, she is it. She's a cross between FoxNews and a Hollywood tabloid.

She writes books with sensational charges because they sell. If she had any journalistic integrity, she wouldn't write them. Why? Because most of her "facts" are based on very flimsy evidence.

One does not have to be a great admirer of Nancy Reagan (trust me, I'm not) to scoff at the idea of her having a tryst with Frank Sinatra. Yet Ms. Kelley made quite a bit of money with that one a few years back.

The publication of this book will do us more harm than good. And frankly, I don't want to talk about whether the Frat Boy snorted coke at Camp David many year ago. I want to talk about how he lied about the "threat" posed by Iraq in order to justify a colonial invasion, how he established an offshore system of political gulags, how millions of jobs have been lost on his watch and how he takes a laissez faire approach to corporate crime. Those are issues with real substnace and real facts to make him look like something the dog left in the backyard.

[BeFree]

27. It's all manure

The American people love manure. They will eat this shit up!

Of course, I am like you. I'd rather see an honest discussion of the issues... * would be impeached, if there ever was such a discussion.

Impeachmnet ain't gonna happen.

I'd love to see John Kerry get up on stage, and with a big 'ol smile, say: "Did ya hear about that story of junior doing coke at Camp David? Isn't that the biggest crock ya ever heard? LOL. And that his wife was dealing pot? Hahahha"

Just once. It'd be great.

[Placebo]

28. "We believe that people have freedom of speech."

I can't wait to have the democrats throw that republican swift boat talking point BACK IN THEIR FACE when this book comes out! :grr:

[Jack Rabbit]

29. I must confess a guilty pleasure

While I have no respect for Kitty Kelley or her art, what will Rove and his thugs say when they have all their defenses of outrageous smears thrown back in their faces? That part is going to be good.

Can you say shadenfruede?

[funky_bug]

31. I don't like it, and I'll tell you why

Frankly, GWB has made a mess of this country and can fail outright on his own (lack) of merit. I don't want the nightly news, as unsavory as it already is, turning into this:

Entertainment Tonight: Coming up next, Brittany Spears and Kevin Federline - is there trouble on the rocks, and is pregnancy the REAL reason she cancelled her tour dates? And this exclusive with the stripper who says she danced with Mel Gibson during the shooting of The Passion. George Bush's cocaine scandel and the season's hottest shoes, all next on AE.

News Outlet (any one, you name it): Kitty Kelly, famous gossip queen and her tell-all book about the Bush Dynasty. Blah blah blah (fifteen minutes or so of rag talk) and in other news, John Kerry has a message for the voters...

My point is... any press this gets will be fluff stuff, and any press Kerry could HOPE to get on substantial issues will be buried as the press plays National Enquirer.

[skjpm]

32. This is exactly why we lose.

We can be all high and mighty about issues, but we can win if we convince voters that Bush snorted coke at Camp David. Maybe it's cheap, but it works. The high ground doesn't. That's how the Repugs win--they will go as low as they have to because it works.

[ItsMyParty]

33. the one legit part of this for the media to bring up and investigate

is the time frame of the coke snorting. Very fundamental in 2000 was the very canned bio of Chimp seeing the light, giving up drinking and all other bad stuff, becoming the second son of God, blah, blah. If this conversion is shit (and I always had no doubt it was shit), then his drinking and drug use is very relative to today. Is he or isn't he still "under the influence"??---that's a bit important if you have all the power in your hands that Bush does. Also, if you read Franken's book he has a part in there about Bush and Evans who supposedly at this time in his life attended every weekend for one year this 'get away' for men getting in touch with their God. They supposedly spent the whole year studying just one book of the Bible. Franken brought up something about it to Evans in conversation and it was obvious that he didn't have a clue about what was in that book of the Bible (as Al says, kind of funny when that's all you studied for a year). In other words, what was really going on at these retreats??----like a bunch of repentant guys who were drinking, screwing and whatever and getting away from their nagging wives, perhaps????

[Chomskyite]

34. No, but the 527s and 5013cs can

And I'm sure they will. Just like when they run the My Pet Goat ads.

[Doohickie]

36. 527s cannot advertise during the last 60 days of a campaign.

It's the law.

[realcountrymusic]

37. Depends on the Democrat

I know many who are *not* "too gutless to use the cocaine at Camp David." I hear it is of exceptionally high quality, brought in directly by the US via military advisors in Colombia.

But the cocaine at Shrubbie's's ranchette is even better.

And why do you think they call it the "white" house?

Come on folks. Bush on coke jokes -- let's start 'em circulating.

Example:

Q. Why hasn't Karl Rove allowed Bush to campaign in hurricane-ravaged Florida?

A: He's keeping his powder dry.

</bad humor>

RCM

CHIMPeach Bush!

[Julien Sorel]

38. Who are "The Democrats?"

If you mean Kerry or anyone remotely connected to him, hell no. If you mean some group called "Americans against coked up politicians" distributing fliers, making commercials, and doing push polling, then hell yes.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

39. I don't know, are you?

[jmowreader]

40. Please, God, not this shit!

Bush very well may have used blow at Camp David. I wouldn't even think of using this allegation against him. If it's true, it could damage Bush, but if it's not we WILL get four more years of Dipshit. We may also get a Republican majority in the Senate that's enough to shut down a filibuster. Given those two conditions, Bush will start shooting liberals and putting judges that make Priscilla Owen look liberal and there ain't a damn thing we can do about it.

Besides, whether George Bush snorted cocaine at Camp David in the Bush 41 regime pales in comparison to whether George Bush allowed 9/11 to happen, the number of jobs he's cost America, the states he's managed to bankrupt, the number of Florida National Guardsmen who are in Iraq where they can get killed instead of in Homestead where their friends and neighbors need them. What's he doing now?

We can kill Bush's chances of reelection by doing two things. Just two.

1. Immediately react whenever a Bush-campaign minion tells a lie to the media. If that means we gotta keep people dressed and made up for the camera 24 hours a day, that's what we gotta do.

2. Do nothing but tell the truth about Shrub. Bush is NO GOOD. His policies don't work. My taxes went up. All he knows how to do is start unwinnable wars and announce terra alerts. Polls starting to tank? Orange Alert!