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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:00 AM
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McCain Has Lost But Barr Can Still 'Win'
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 07:00 AM by tekisui
http://www.nolanchart.com/article5257.html
From Viginia!

It's obvious to the casual observer that John McCain has already lost the 2008 election to Barack Obama, but Libertarian nominee Bob Barr can still 'win' by demolishing all prior Libertarian voting records.

The pundits all agree that John McCain will lose the popular vote and will likely be trounced in the Electoral College. Obama might even win a landslide victory, they say.

Libertarians who have allowed themselves to get caught up in the "NObama" movement should take a moment to think:

McCain is a loser, perhaps a bigger loser than Bob Dole. Voting for McCain will be a wasted vote that will achieve nothing, absolutely nothing... Obama will win and there's nothing you can do to stop it by voting for McCain.

But a turnout of five percent or more for Bob Barr could change historical trends, could revitalize the Libertarian Party, and could show Obama that there is real, principled opposition to his (and McCain's) socialist agenda.

The Libertarian Party got stuck in the history books in 1980 when nominee Ed Clark got just under one million votes and scored a statistically significant one percent of the popular vote.

Even Ron Paul, running in 1988 as a Libertarian, couldn't break Clark's record.

For far too long, the Libertarian Party has been stagnantly trapped at the insignificant level of .5 percent or less of the popular vote. Showing progress and breaking old records is important for a young, growing party like the Libertarians. It is long past time that we can be content with popular vote percentages of less than one percent.

The Republican Party is dying... McCain's nomination shows clearly its lack of principles, its lack of economic wisdom, its desperation to remain relevant in a world that has left social conservatism behind.

more...
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:06 AM
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1. Here's to the Libertarian Party!
Hope they break 15% every election year!

:cheers:
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:07 AM
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2. Barr may even do better than Nader this year
They are each polling at about 2%, but Barr has the edge at the moment. Barr is definitely affecting the outcome in the Southeast states!

K/R :hi:
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:13 AM
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7. Speaking of Nader....
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 07:13 AM by RichGirl
He could totally redeem himself if he endorsed Obama and encouraged his supporters to vote Obama. He wouldn't have to change any of his views. He has to believe that Obama is much more likely to listen to his views. Come on former Naderites and everybody else...email him! I'm sure that Obama would even consider taking him on as advisor. He could actually contribute then instead of waiting to say "I told you so".

I know he doesn't have huge numbers, but every vote counts in this election. I know that people in "safe" states will be voting for him. There are no safe state this time...we need the popular vote in the event that there's a challenge.
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AZSlacker Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:14 AM
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8. Naders ego prevents that. What ever his pretense, his runs for pres are purley mastubatory.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:40 AM
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13. agreed
and welcome
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:06 AM
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15. Wouldn't it be fair that anyone who thinks they can be President has a little bit of an ego?
You'd have to have some kind of ego if you think you can be an effective President.
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:19 AM
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9. There's good news about the popular vote ...
We're leading by 7.5 million :D

:hi:





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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:08 AM
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3. Hey...the other day I saw my first Barr yard sign!
In a blue area of a red state that is leaning Obama.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:09 AM
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4. Send this to every Obama-hating Republican and racist that you know...
... If you won't vote for Obama because you think he's a Moozlim, then vote for Bob Barr.

Especially if you like to get high.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:09 AM
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5. Right on, Bob Barr!
:kick: and r
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:11 AM
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6. "The Republican Party is dying..." If only this were true. Keep dreaming
3rd party candidates may do a little better this year than in past elections, but will still be a blip on the radar.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:54 AM
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10. I'm encouraging my Republican acquaintences
to vote for Barr. They are racists and won't vote for a black man, but they don't like McCain.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:13 AM
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11. Using "Libertarian" and "principled" in the same sentence is just silly
I have never talked to one self-proclaimed libertarian who could enunciate a coherent political philosophy. Every one I've met has been delusional, cobbling together enticing talking points into a mish-mash of unworkable theory.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:38 AM
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12. Their political philosphoy: "mine,! mine! mine! all mine!"
That's their "coherent" political philosphy.

Sunday night I was talking to a racist, rightwing nut who is in the same organization I'm in. He hates Palin, but would NEVER vote for Obama (he says because he's socialist, but I know it's 90% because he's black). "Why not vote Barr then?" "Maybe I will".

Yay Barr!
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mrih Donating Member (188 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:05 AM
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14. That's strange
Every alleged "LIBERTARIAN" I have ever met, was just a Republican too ashamed to admit they also shared a "LIBERAL" view about one issue or another, but were too stubborn to vote for a Democrat.
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