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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:20 PM
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Tom Brokaw Get your Facts Straight – Are you a Journalist or Part of the GOP Echo Chamber?
Tom Brokaw was at it again on Meet the Press this morning, doing whatever he could to derail the Obama campaign for President, without much or any regard to facts:


Misquoting William Ayers to make him look like an “unrepentant terrorist”

Following Colin Powell’s eloquent endorsement of Obama, Brokaw felt the necessity to add his own spin. First and foremost, he couldn’t let the opportunity pass to get in some more digs on Obama’s “association” with the “unrepentant terrorist” William Ayers:

Let me go back to something that you raised just a moment ago, and that's William Ayers, a former member of the Weathermen who's now active in school issues in Illinois. He had some past association with Barack Obama. Wouldn't it have been more helpful for William Ayers to, on his own, to have renounced his own past? Here was a man who was a part of the most radical group that existed in America at a time when you were serving in Vietnam, targeting the Pentagon, the Capitol. He wrote a book about it that came out on 2001, on September 11th that said, "We didn't bomb enough."

Well Tom, if you’ve been paying any attention to this issue, or if you’d done any research on it before spouting off, you’d know that Ayers did have this to say about it:

I heard Sean Hannity tell Senator John McCain that I was an unrepentant terrorist… extolling bombings against the U.S. and even advocating more terrorist bombs. Senator McCain couldn’t believe it (that is, before Obama became his principle barrier to the presidency), and neither could I. I’m often quoted as saying “I have no regrets”. That is not true. I’m sometimes asked if I regret anything I did to oppose the war in Vietnam, and I say “No, I don’t regret anything I did to stop the slaughter of millions of human beings by my own government.” Sometimes I add, “I don’t think I did enough”. This is then elided: “He has no regrets for setting bombs and thinks there should be more bombings”…. Terrorism is never justifiable, even in a just cause. I’ve never advocated terrorism, never participated in it, never defended it.

In other words, Ayers categorically denies that he ever said anything remotely resembling what Brokaw accuses him of, or ever participating in or even condoning terrorism. So, what is the evidence for Brokaw’s claim that Ayers said “We didn’t bomb enough”, other than that Sean Hannity said so?

I googled “Ayers” with “We didn’t bomb enough” and “Ayers” with “no regrets”, and all I could come up with were Ayers’ denials that he ever said anything like that, plus a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors. I found an inaudible 15 second U-tube clip from FOX News titled “Bill Ayers: I have no regrets”. I found a statement from David9176 disparaging Obama’s association with Ayers and quoting Ayers, but then adding “I'm not sure of the exact quote and I'm too lazy too look up a link, but that's the mainly what it came down too.” And then there is a Washingtonpost.com article that puts forth Ayers’ side of the story without challenging it, and then adds with respect to Ayers’ protests against the Vietnam War:

Ayers says, those who tried to stop the "illegal, murderous, imperial war against Viet Nam ... recognize that our efforts were inadequate: the war dragged on for a decade, thousands were slaughtered every week, and we couldn't stop it. In the end the U.S. military was defeated and the war ended, but we surely didn't do enough."

So there you have it. Ayers repeatedly claims to be passionately against terrorism of any kind, even state terrorism, and he categorically denies the quote attributed to him by the GOP smear machine, namely, “We didn’t bomb enough”. I admit that I haven’t read his book, but it seems rather far fetched that he would repeatedly deny a quote that could be easily found in a book he’d recently written – given all the intense GOP efforts to tie the Obama campaign to terrorism.

Could Ayers be lying about the fact that he never participated in terrorism? The Weather Underground, which he belonged to, was on the FBI’s ten most-wanted list in the Hoover days. But Ayers and his wife turned themselves in during the 1980s, and all charges against them were dropped. Shouldn’t a journalist with integrity and a sense of fairness refer to Ayers as an alleged terrorist when he or she feels the need to bring up the subject?


Bringing the race issue into the campaign

To further dampen Powell’s endorsement of Obama, Brokaw challenged him with this:

And you are fully aware that there will be some – how many, no one can say for sure – but there will be some who will say this is an African-American, distinguished American, supporting another African-American because of race.

Well, Tom, yes it’s true that some people will say that. But why put the blame on some people? By making that statement to an audience of millions, YOU just said it yourself. And let me ask you this. Have you EVER asked a white person if they were supporting McCain because of his race? I’ve never heard you do that. And if not, then I suggest that your question was totally inappropriate for one of the most widely watched news programs in our country.

And this wasn’t the first time that Brokaw tried to play the race card with this campaign. A couple of months ago, when he had Obama on his show as a guest, he showed him some polls and then repeatedly challenged him to explain why black people supported some of his positions more than white people. Funny, but I’ve never seen him challenge a white candidate to explain why white people supported his position more than black people.

Why is it that Brokaw considers the opinions of black people to be so less valid than those of white people that their opinions should be challenged simply on the basis that they’re black? A person in Brokaw’s position should be ashamed of trying to racially divide our country at a time like this.


Castigating Obama’s qualifications to be President

As the McCain camp is running out of issues capable of getting their campaign back on track, Brokaw thought he’d help them out be going back to the “experience” issue. He said to Powell (nervously, as you can see, by the way he stumbled over his words):

There is nothing in Barack Obama's history that nearly paralyze any – parallels any of the experiences that you've had. And while he has performed impressively in the context of the campaign, there's a vast difference between sitting in the Oval Office and making tough decisions and doing well in a campaign.

Nor was this the first time that Brokaw tried that tactic. On the July 27th edition of Meet the Press, Brokaw contemptuously castigated Obama’s priorities by implying that he should have made more trips to Afghanistan:

How is it possible that, as a candidate for president of the United States and a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is making his first trip to what you call the central front in the war on terror?

He then made a bizarre and stupid statement about Obama’s discussion of Pakistan:

You said, "We should condition some assistance to Pakistan on their action to take the fight to the terrorists within their borders. And if we have actionable intelligence about high-level al-Qaeda targets, we must act if Pakistan will not or cannot." Let me take the first half of that statement. That seems, to me, to be a fairly tepid statement, "We'll condition some assistance." What does that mean?

My God, what a stupid and gratuitous comment! Obama’s statement was tepid?!! Then, on Obama’s trip to Berlin, Brokaw had this to say:

Charles Krauthammer, the conservative columnist said, "He hasn't earned the right to speak there." And David Brooks, for The New York Times, who was an early admirer of your rhetoric in the early stages of the campaign had this to say in his column about your appearance in Berlin: "When John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan went to Berlin, their rhetoric soared, but their optimism was grounded in the reality of politics, conflict and hard choices. Kennedy didn't dream of the universal brotherhood of man. He drew lines that reflected hard realities. Reagan didn't call for a kumbaya moment. He cited tough policies that sparked harsh political disagreements. Much of Obama's Berlin speech fed the illusion that we could solve our problems if only people mystically come together…

What utter bullshit! Obama appeals to the need to work together with our former allies to achieve common goals, and Brokaw cites right wing talking heads criticizing him for that! One might think that after four years of alienating the rest of the world under Bush/Cheney that such talk would be welcomed. Then, after much more of the same, Brokaw hits Obama with this condescending remark.

Why didn't you use that occasion to spell out in great detail a sweeping vision of the Obama doctrine? You're a candidate for president of the United States.


Pummeling Obama for opposing George Bush’s troop “surge”

On the same July 27th edition of the show noted above, Brokaw adopted the highly debatable proposition that George Bush’s troop “surge” in Iraq has been an unqualified success, and he used right wing talking points to try to make Obama look ridiculous:

You engaged in some verbal kung fu with reporters and others this week about the surge. You opposed the surge… Many analysts believe that the reason that violence has decreased is because the American troops were deployed in a more effective manner... And it allowed President Maliki to stabilize his government somewhat. But you would not apologize, and you said you did not regret your opposition this surge…That prompted this radio ad from your opponent John McCain, which is running today. So let's listen to that and then respond.

Brokaw then played a free ad for the McCain campaign, followed by a video of Obama opposing the surge. Obama forcefully defended his opposition to the surge, but Brokaw just ignored those points, and rather than respond to them, he merely continued with his pummeling of Obama by quoting the opinion of an unnamed source from USA Today:

This is what USA Today had to say about your position on the surge. "Why can't Obama bring himself to acknowledge the surge worked better than he and other skeptics thought that it would?"… "What does that stubbornness say about the kind of president that he would be?"…

Listening to Brokaw tell it, that “The surge worked” is established fact, and Obama should own up to his mistake and apologize to the American people for opposing it. After all, “The surge worked” is now solidly embedded in the GOP echo chamber.

But not for all of the GOP. In September 2007, questioning General Petraeus about the surge in testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said, “By the way, I assume you read the New York Times piece two weeks ago – seven NCOs in Iraq… Are we going to dismiss those seven NCOs? Are they ignorant? This is what those NCOs had to say about Petraeus’s successful surge:

To believe that Americans, with an occupying force that long ago outlived its reluctant welcome, can win over a recalcitrant local population and win this counterinsurgency is far-fetched….We are skeptical of recent press coverage portraying the conflict as increasingly manageable and feel it has neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day… The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. Yes, we are militarily superior, but our successes are offset by failures elsewhere.…

The NCOs then go into extensive detail about those failures, and end with this:

The ability of, say, American observers to safely walk down the streets of formerly violent towns is not a resounding indicator of security. What matters is the experience of the local citizenry and the future of our counterinsurgency. When we take this view, we see that a vast majority of Iraqis feel increasingly insecure and view us as an occupation force that has failed to produce normalcy after four years and is increasingly unlikely to do so as we continue to arm each warring side. …Leaders are far from arriving at a lasting political settlement…

At the same time, the most important front in the counterinsurgency, improving basic social and economic conditions, is the one on which we have failed most miserably. Two million Iraqis are in refugee camps in bordering countries. Close to two million more are internally displaced and now fill many urban slums. Cities lack regular electricity, telephone services and sanitation… Four years into our occupation, we have failed on every promise…

In the end, we need to recognize that our presence may have released Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but that it has also robbed them of their self-respect. They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call us what we are – an army of occupation – and force our withdrawal. Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters, to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins but let them resolve their differences as they see fit. This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.


Conclusion

In his new role as moderator of “Meet the Press” it is quickly becoming apparent that Tom Brokaw intends to ape Tim Russert’s highly partisan efforts to destroy the candidacies of high level Democrats. Brokaw, as Russert before him, tries to play the role of the serious, unbiased professional journalist, without an agenda. That’s what makes these people so dangerous. I have no more, maybe even less respect for them than I have for the partisan hyenas at FOX News, who wear their partisanship on their sleeves and are not nearly as good at disguising it. That Obama has withstood his encounters with Brokaw and his ilk virtually unscathed, and is still ahead in the polls, is testimony to the fact that he has certain qualities that the American people haven’t seen in quite a while.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:28 PM
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1. Thanks for this post.
Lengthy but well worth the read.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 08:40 AM
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36. Thank you
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:43 PM
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2. Good OP. K&R. And, in case you haven't seen it, check out Dana Carvey's impression of
Tom Brokaw.

I'm posting this all over today because I think it's hilarious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mavvzmLhlA
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 07:17 AM
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35. Thank you -- That was an excellent impersonation
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kiranon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:53 PM
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3. Agree. Astonished with how he questioned Colin Powell.
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 06:53 PM by kiranon
Wish he would do the same with the Republicans. Tom Brokow came across as very partisan and in favor of the Republicans. He of all people should know better. The Republican lurch to the far right should make him less likely not more likely to support them. It's time for Tom Brokow to retire again.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:41 AM
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32. Another thing I forgot to mention about Brokaw's insinuation that Powell endorsed Obama because
they're both black.

Powell had already covered that thoroughly in his explanation as to why he was endorsing Obama. He said adamently that a person's race is no reason whatsoever to endorse or vote for a person, and he explained in eloquent detail why he was endorsing Obama.

Therefore, Brokaw's comment was completely unnecessary and gratuitous, meant only to cast aspersion on Powell's reason for endorsing Obama, and in no way meant to stimulate discussion, because it had already been discussed.
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:54 PM
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4. and this has NEVER been reported by MSM
they boldly repeat "he regrets only that HE DID NOT BOMB AND KILL enough.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 06:59 PM
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5. "Active in school issues?" He's a fucking Distinguished Professor in Education!
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 07:42 PM by Hissyspit
WTF, Tom?

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:28 PM
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59. that bears repeating, "WTF, Tom!!"
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:37 PM
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6. Dear Tom,
Have you heard of Nuremberg?
Do you know that the propagandists for the 3rd Reich were tried War Criminals after WW2?
The International Court at Nuremberg considered the propagandists to be as guilty as the people who actually ordered the genocides.

I thought you might like to know that.

Sleep Well,
bvar22
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 05:30 AM
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34. We can only hope for the same fate for Brokaw and his ilk.
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notaboutus Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:49 PM
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7. Thank you for reminding me there are sane Americans
who don't fall for the MSM propaganda.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:08 AM
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82. it makes you wonder why Brokaw continues to be celebrated
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 07:59 PM
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8. kick for Brokaw being a dick.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:45 PM
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49. Kick for ditto!
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SoCalDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 05:14 PM
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63. Brokaw is not a dick
He's clearly an asshole.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:09 PM
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9. "Teacher, teacher, call on me!! I know the answer to this one!"
Tom Brokaw should be run out of Montana when it turns sky blue in two weeks.

He is an embarrassment to everything that journalism once stood for.

The Fourth Estate? More like the Fourth Mistake.
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Barb in Atl Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:15 PM
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10. Thanks...
for spelling out exactly what made me want to hurl as I watched that interview and following roundtable.

I sat there waiting for the "Won't people just assume that because you're a brother, you support Obama anyway?" question to come. Brokaw, as usual, disappointed.

There is a reason why I only watch Keith Olbermann and now Rachel Maddow. My blood pressure can't take any of these other offerings.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 06:23 PM
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65. That's the way I feel about it too
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:19 PM
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11. Brokaw is an unrepentent idiot, mad that a woman and a Black were better than him on Today.
He misses the "good old days" when white men only had to compete with white men in the field of TV journalism. It burned him up that Jane Pauley was smarter than he was. And so was Bryant Gumbel. The only thing Brokaw could do was read a teleprompter. Ouch.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:53 PM
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21. Brokaw is history
Edited on Sun Oct-19-08 09:54 PM by youngharry
Brokaw is morally and intellectually dishonest. He did everything possible to diminish Powell's endorsement of Obama, then tried to diminish Powell hinself. It was very telling that Brokaw's panel that discussed Powell's endorsement contained an overwhelming number of Republicans and right-wing conservatives. The more we see of Brokaw the more diminished he becomes in the history of broadcasting as he now reveals himself as more of a pundit than an objective reporter--all in the name of politics. More is the pity for Brokaw.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:45 PM
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55. That's interesting
Do you have any more information on that?
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JustJon Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:33 PM
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12. Why "unrepentant"? Someone? Anyone?
I don't understand this "unrepentant" term the McCain campaign likes to crowbar into remarks. Did Ayers himself ever describe himself as unrepentant, and McCain just picked up on that usage and started repeating it? Or did McCain's people make the decision? Because it feels like very unusual word selection to me.

I'd assume it's a calculated decision of some kind for them to have such precise language that is so frequently repeated. But I'm not clear on why.

I mean, do they make a point of saying he's unrepentant because they think that distinction strategically closes the door on McCain's own ties to unsavory people who DID repent in some fashion?

Or do they mention "unrepentant" to toughen up McCain's language? Because he usually describes Ayers as unrepentant at the end of an often-repeated line about how he's not worried about an old washed-up terrorist? We all know he only claims not to care about Ayers as a means of smiling and pretending it isn't a gross attack. But he still usually tags the paragraph by saying Ayers is unrepentant. Is that his way of saying, "Hey, obviously I'm not as indifferent towards Mr. Ayers as I just said three sentences ago. I hate the man, like any decent person should."

Seriously, their word selection makes me wonder. There's plenty of words that all mean generally the same thing, so did they choose "unrepentant" because of the tones evoked by talking about repentance? I mean, it's very New Testament. Does he call Ayers unrepentant as a subtle way of getting biblical? As if to imply literal Good Versus Evil implications?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:06 PM
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15. Here's my take on it
First, I don't believe that it was McCain's idea, because the term started being used before Obama got the nomination, at least as early as the ABC moderated Democratic debate, as Charlie Gibson or George Stephanopoulos used it against Obama in that debate.

Maybe you're right that part of the reason for the use of the term is to make McCain's ties to unsavory types seem less threatening by comparison.

Of course, the term "unrepentent" implies that he'd do it again, which of course makes him seem much more dangerous -- which is the whole point. If he's dangerous and associated with Obama, then people should fear electing Obama.

As to how they're able to get away with it, they just twist his words around and hope nobody will notice, or nobody will say anything about it. He said that he does not regret his attempts to end the Vietnam War, and in fact he probably should have done more. They twist that around to mean "We should have bombed more". What they never tell us is that he also said that he never participated in any terrorist activity, that terrorism is wrong no matter what the cause it's meant to serve, and he has never condoned nor supported it. Therefore, when he says that he should have done more, obviously he's not talking about bombing, rather, he's talking about protesting or whatever exactly it is that he did.

I have looked and looked, and never found any evidence that he participated in terrorist activity. He was "wanted" by the FBI, presumably for participating in terrorist activity, but after he turned himself in they dropped all the charges against him. They didn't prosecute him or plea bargain or anything. So how bad could his "crime" have been?

Welcome to DU JustJon :toast:
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:27 PM
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24. Ayers' crime
It wasn't. It is just another fanciful smear by the right-wing to diminish Obama and try to put fear of him in the minds of the voters. McCain and Palin have much more to hide by their family and friends that are anti-American. The best defense is an offense, which is what the McCain-Palin team is trying to do.
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ladym55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:49 PM
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13. I spent the morning yelling at Brokaw and MTP
My husband watches Brokaw and Co. and still thinks Brokaw is a legit journalist. Oh, my. You've provided detailed coverage of Brokaw's partisan presentation. I agree ... Brokaw and Co. are FAR more dangerous than the fools of Faux because the corporate media types trumpet themselves as non-partisan journalists.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 08:51 PM
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14. Does anyone have a link to MTP. I tried for 15 minutes to get to a
place I could comment and never succeeded.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:34 PM
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19. MasonJar, go to NBC.com, then scroll to the bottom of the page to "contact us".
That link will take you to a list of shows. Select MTP and fill out the comments form.

DO NOT GO TO THE FEEDBACK PAGE. It would never do anything but let me give them some demographic info, but never any feedback. Imagine that.

Good luck.
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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:34 PM
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25. go to MSNBC.com
Scroll down to Meet The Press. They will allow you to make a comment. I did about an hour ago.
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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:14 PM
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16. KandR
Once again, thank you for putting together an excellent piece...


peace~
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:19 PM
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17. Brokaw===Meet The Press===NBC===General Electric Corporation. Need I say more.
Every time I send the NBC fuckwads an emailing complaining about this I get a form reply blah blah blah blah.

But, I'm going to send one anyway. Brokaw is a fascist.






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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:22 PM
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18. Rhetorical question, right?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 04:33 PM
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61. Absolutely
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WallStreetNobody Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 09:46 PM
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20. K&R
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:21 PM
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22. "a journalist with integrity and a sense of fairness" - A phrase that should never be used in the
same sentence as the name Tom Brokaw.

Your post is superb.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:23 PM
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23. Great work!

K & R.



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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:41 PM
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26. Thank you for picking up and elaborating on what annnoyed me so much about Brokaw today.
K&R
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Bjorn Against Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:55 PM
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27. Great post. K&R.
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BayjanDem Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-19-08 10:57 PM
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28. Brokawww is a tool
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:08 AM
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29. This is so well written and documented. I thank you.
Are you able to send this to NBC? It would also be great if you could send it as an editorial article to several well circulated national magazines.

It is pertinent and factual.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:45 AM
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37. Thank you
Here is the e-mail I sent to NBC:

I would like to know if you are planning on replacing Tom Brokaw as the host of Meet the Press any time soon. His highly partisan and racist comments during his interview with General Powell yesterday did not go unnoticed. Here is a detailed and excellent post that Mr. Brokaw would do well read and reflect upon. As you can see, his game is quite obvious to a lot of people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7523590

Thank you for your time.

(Name included)

Please excuse the lack of humility in my letter, but I didn't want to identify myself as the author of the post.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:34 PM
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52. You are amazing. Thank you!
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psomniferum Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:25 AM
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30. Great post!
Thanks.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:28 AM
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31. Tweety halfheartedly tried to correct Pat Buchanan with this same
BULLSHIT about 'unrepentant terrorist' which we seem to hear about every ten fucking minutes on the teevee...and it so BOGUS. Your post is dead on. Ayer's is being misquoted CONSTANTLY and for heaven's sake, you'd think that with all the resources available to the M$M talking heads, and with all the times people like us have contacted them, written LTTEs, bloggers debunking this, etc. etc. etc., that SOMEONE would finally get the word out there...but of course, they don't want to, that's the problem.

Well done; great post!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 05:11 PM
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62. "unrepentant terrorist"
The more I think I about, it seems to me that what really upsets them about Ayers is that he is unrepentant about opposing the Vietnam War.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:43 PM
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69. DING DING DING...we have a winner! I think you're exactly right.
And he got off on a technicality...probably due to one of those damn activist judges we hear so much about :sarcasm:
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 02:15 AM
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33. That jumped out at me
Thanks for setting the record straight.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 09:49 AM
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38. Excellent post!
this is what REAL journalism should look like. Maybe you ought to send it to NBC.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:40 PM
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48. I did, thank you.
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 12:41 PM by Time for change
Here is the e-mail I sent to NBC:

I would like to know if you are planning on replacing Tom Brokaw as the host of Meet the Press any time soon. His highly partisan and racist comments during his interview with General Powell yesterday did not go unnoticed. Here is a detailed and excellent post that Mr. Brokaw would do well read and reflect upon. As you can see, his game is quite obvious to a lot of people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Thank you for your time.

(Name included)

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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 10:10 AM
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39. i have to disagree with everyone's take on this
tom brokaw was just asking what others were going to ask and not have powell there to asnswer it. and yes, i have heard others on the right ask the same questions this morning. i think it was a good interview.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 10:37 AM
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40. I'm sure that there are plenty of right wingers that are asking similar questions
But Meet the Press pretends to be a non-partisan show. When issues are discussed and assertions made on Meet the Press it carries much greater weight than when admitted right wingers do the same thing.

Powell had already given a thorough explanation for why he was endorsing Obama, and he made it crystal clear that it had nothing to do with race. He told Brokaw that race should absolutely not be a consideration in voting for President. So, what could the purpose of Brokaw's challenging him on that with "There will be those who say...." other than to disparage his endorsement? And have you ever heard Brokaw ask a white person if his or her endorsement of McCain is racially based?

And I'm not just talking about his questions. He makes plenty of false assertions as well. What about his misquote of Ayers as saying "We should have bombed more" and referring to Ayers, a man who has categorically denounced terrorism of any kind, as an "unrepentent terrorist". That's just a right wing talking point. Ayers has categorically denied that he ever participated in terrorist activities of any kind, and all charges were dropped against him. What right does Tom Brokaw or anyone else have to refer to him as an "unrepentent terrorist"?



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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:22 AM
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41. again, i think brokaw was just giving what the other side would be saying
and giving powell the chance to shoot them down. by ignoring what the morans would be saying, he was giving them the opportunity to make these dispersions without any kind of answer from powell.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:35 AM
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43. Tom Brokaw: "General Powell, I am sure that there will be some patriotic conservative Americans
who will ask you this question, so I am going to give you a chance to answer it here and now on Press the Meat. My question to you, sir, is 'Do you think a President Obama would make the United States of America a province of Saudi Arabia during his first term, OR will he wait until his second term?' America wants to know, General Powell."

How's that for a shoot-um down type question, Pirate at 50?

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 06:55 PM
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68. When exactly does he play that role for our side?
I'll accept your thesis that Brokaw was playing devil's advocate. The problem is that the devil he consistently advocates for happens to be the Daily Republican Talking Points Memo. Somehow he never gets around to our devil's point of view. Why is that?
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:44 PM
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53. Had Brokow prefaced his remarks with that, then it would have
been a thought provoking interview. But as it was, it was low and biased.
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:29 AM
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42. How does he now feel about the bombings he did participate in?
Has anyone ever asked him?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:37 AM
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45. What bombings were those?
Do you have a link?
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:37 AM
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44. I have no doubt whatsoever that Brokaw is dedicated to electing Republicans.
He hasn't been shy about it.
I remember the profile in the NYT in which he said he'd be conducting "shuttle diplomacy" to ensure the Republicans that they'd get favorable coverage from NBC even though the station has those awful reporters who run stories about mistakes committed by the Bush administration.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:43 AM
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46. I think his performance on MTP was worse than being part of the "echo chamber"
He didn't question Powell, he interrogated him, debated him and tried to embarrass him.

And the tone literally took my breath away, and not in a good way. You could visibly see that the idea of President Obama is driving him nuts. Is it racism? Is is jealousy? While real journalists are supposed to remain impartial, we all know they go vote. So yeah, the believe one way or the other. What I can't understand is what is sending these semi-reasonable professionals over the edge......
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:53 AM
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47. Do you think that Brokaw used to be reasonable?
I didn't watch him much at all until he took over Russert's job, so I have little basis for comparison. But the first time I saw him interview... or rather, interrogate Obama on his show, I was very disturbed.
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rvablue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:46 PM
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50. I never like or disliked his journalistic ways before this election season....
I was always a Peter Jennings person while they were both on the air.

But, you're right, since day one with Obama he just seems over the edge with his bias and doesn't seem to care that he is ruining his reputation as a "newsman."
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 12:57 PM
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51. Tom shows a bias - I thought Tim did a much better job
I know Mr. Russert had his detractors - but I sure miss his version of MTP. He did a far superior job IMO.

Really sad he died so young.
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 01:47 PM
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54. So right on! I completely agree with your post!!
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:03 PM
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56. And Tom? Take the marbles out of your mouth before you try to talk again.
You don't sound sophisticated, you just sound like you have marbles in your mouth. Ugh.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:06 PM
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57. K&R
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LoveleeRita Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:07 PM
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58. tom brokaw lost me long ago, but he was an ass on MTP with Biden
he asked questions as if they came directly from talking points of the white house and as if he did NO RESEARCH on his own nor did his staff!

Biden corrected his questions at least 4-5 times!

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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 03:36 PM
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60. glad to see others are so upset about "meet the gop".
Edited on Mon Oct-20-08 03:38 PM by DubyasWorld
saw this take on nbc news on bartcop:

What if the Big Media told the truth, part 2,964?

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Let’s go to NBC’s Chuck Todd at a McCain rally in Bent Fork, South Carolina. Chuck, I see Gov. Palin just finished speaking; what was the crowd reaction?”

CHUCK TODD: “Well, Brian, once again Sarah Palin has stirred up the crazy white-trash rabble into a lather of raw hatred against liberals, Democrats and, particularly, Barack ‘Hussein’ Obama. She’s managed to attract every drooling yokel, theocratic imbecile and racist thug on the GOP wingnut fringe here and stoked the flames of bigotry to the point where news organizations can’t even send African-Americans to cover her rallies anymore out of fear they might be attacked by her supporters.”

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Whoa, that’s quite an indictment, Chuck. It looks like Sen. McCain is about to speak; let’s listen in.”

CHUCK TODD: “Don’t bother, Brian. Most of the crowd is leaving as they always do after they’re done gawking at Palin, and McCain never says anything worth hearing – just the same attack-the-opponent, no-new-taxes mumbo-jumbo and embarrassing distortions of the truth he usually spouts. You’d be better off reading the label on a Viagra bottle or sticking needles in your eyes as listening to one of this old crank’s speeches – they’re that tedious and boring.”

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Well, thanks for that report, Chuck. Now let’s go to Andrea Mitchell with the Obama campaign in Indianapolis, Indiana, where the Democratic Party candidate is about to give a major speech on the economy. Andrea, I understand you’re the filthy rich wife of Alan Greenspan, one of the principal architects of our current financial disaster?”

ANDREA MITCHELL: “That I am, Brian.”

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Then just how in hell are you going to do an unbiased report on this major Obama speech on economic policy?”

ANDREA MITCHELL: “Brian, I am what you might call a ‘tripartite schizophrenic’ – one part member in good standing of the wealthy elite, one part wife of a powerful neoconservative whose policies ruined our economy, and one part hard-nosed journalist. Don’t worry, I’ll have on my hard-nosed journalist’s cap for this speech.”

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Why don’t you just recuse yourself from covering Obama altogether?”

ANDREA MITCHELL: “Oh, Brian, you poor idiot – Republicans never recuse themselves in any conflict of interest, don’t you know that? I guess you weren’t paying attention during that Supreme Court ruling that put Bush in office in 2000.”

BRIAN WILLIAMS: “Uh, we’ll be back after these messages.”

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 06:28 PM
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66. "Republicans never recuse themselves from any conflict of interest"
Isn't that the truth. Their whole careers are based on it.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 05:23 PM
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64. Brokaw's extreme bias in this election really sullied a career marked by ......... less extreme bias
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 06:52 PM
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67. OHNOES! You have disparaged St Timeh!
You will surely burn in atheist hell for that. But seriously, " Are you a Journalist or Part of the GOP Echo Chamber?", was that a rhetorical question? (And was that a rhetorical question?) ((And that?)) (((And that...
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msfiddlestix Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-20-08 11:57 PM
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70. Excellent Analysis, Excellent Slap Down
My fingers are injured leaving me completely unable to express the full extent of my appreciation for all the points you've covered on these matters... :toast:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:25 AM
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79. Thank you very much msfiddlestix
And welcome to DU :toast:
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:27 AM
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71. Thank you thank you thank you for posting this.Glad others see Brokaw for the propagandist he is
I have written repeatedly on the failures of the surge and the fact that there were much better approaches to the conflict that wouldn't have gotten as many people killed or displaced.. Brokaw is a sneaky slanted biased gothcha reporter. He's about as right wing as they come with an agenda also yet he pretends he's just asking the tough questions when really he just wants to score "points" against democrats. He quotes USA Today commenter when there were thousands of others who presented positions agreeing with Obama and pointing out the fallacies of the "splurge" since that is what the surge really was, an excuse to profiteer widely at the expense of our troops and the Iraqi people and to cover up the greatest mistake and cause of the insurgency....firing the Iraqi army.

Brokaw is a mealey mouth mumbling bigot propagandist hit man for the GOP...fuck him.
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kmac3 Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:19 AM
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72. Brokaw . . . . NBC's Republican Promoter/Propagandist
"Why is it that Brokaw considers the opinions of black people to be so less valid than those of white people that their opinions should be challenged simply on the basis that they’re black? A person in Brokaw’s position should be ashamed of trying to racially divide our country at a time like this."

Why is Brokaw allowed to broadcast in the role delegated when it is evident that he is obviously an extremely biased Republican and of late racist.:shrug:

I have sent numerous complaints to the station he is represented by to either "lose the bias" or replace him. Apparently, talking to deaf ears .... the Republicans own the station!
That's alright ... I am a firm believer in Karma.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:29 AM
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80. Yeah, I think that's the way they want it.
That's why they stuck with Russert all those years, and now they have the perfect replacement for him. Fuck objective news. They have an agenda.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:34 AM
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73. .
Tom Brokaw plays the roll of a journalist on TV. He isn't a good actor.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:10 AM
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74. You miss the point of the Ayers comment you quoted ...
Ayers: "Terrorism is never justifiable, even in a just cause. I’ve never advocated terrorism, never participated in it, never defended it."


Could Ayers be lying about the fact that he never participated in terrorism? The Weather Underground, which he belonged to, was on the FBI’s ten most-wanted list in the Hoover days. But Ayers and his wife turned themselves in during the 1980s, and all charges against them were dropped. Shouldn’t a journalist with integrity and a sense of fairness refer to Ayers as an alleged terrorist when he or she feels the need to bring up the subject?

Ayers isn't denying his advocacy and involvement in bombing. Ayers just doesn't view the WU's bombings as terrorism, because they weren't intended to terrorize -- or to cause any harm to people -- but to bring attention to America's policies. (Sort of like the WU was using the bombings as slaps to the face of the American consciousness, trying to wake-up the public to the actions the US government was taking supposedly on behalf of its citizens.) Though the WU was certainly more extreme, they were no more terrorists than extreme environmentalists who light Hummer dealerships afire. Both are destruction of property, alone, and pretty serious criminal activity, but in neither case is anyone being terrorized.

And it's almost never noted during these "discussions" that no one died as a result of the WU bombings -- aside from three members of the group, itself, when they still called themselves The Weathermen. When one of the bombs they were building blew-up in their faces, sending the rest of the group on the lamb, they changed their name to The Weather Underground. Again, the Weather Underground planned its bombing to avoid any casualties or injuries; which stands in stark contrast to the works of Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, murderers and true domestic terrorists, and people like John McCain's close personal friend, G. Gordon Liddy, who advocated the murder of federal agents.

Finally, was WU made-up of extreme radicals, or were they patriots? If one were to listen to G. Gordon Liddy types, they proclaim their patriotic right to forcefully resist government overreaching and illegality; which is just what drove the Weathermen to turn away from strictly pacifist civil disobedience. Without know there was a name for it, COINTELPRO, the SDS members who became The Weathermen were reacting to the violence they saw being perpetrated by the government against its own citizens, in the form of violence against and political assassinations of members of the black activist movement. Research the times, and one will quickly see that the Weather Underground was a reaction to the illegal, violent, state-sponsored murder and terrorism conducted as part of COINTELPRO. *THIS* is why charges were never brought against members of the Weather Underground; it would be impossible to get convictions once COINTELPRO had been exposed.


p.s. As for the source of the Ayers quotes, the most-often cited is the New York Times interview of Ayers, coincidentally published the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, where his book is discussed. The article starts with the now infamous quote -- though we'll never know if the article's author didn't splice Ayers' phrases together.

No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen

By DINITIA SMITH
Published: September 11, 2001

''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:50 AM
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77. Exactly. And he was not even with the ones who were trying to make a bomb in NYC. But, he did
raise their children. Funny, no one mentions that, or any of his great work in education, charity, etc.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:30 PM
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84. I wasn't aware of his taking care of the children.
It sounds like the history hasn't been researched too deeply, eh.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:42 AM
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81. Very well said
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 09:45 AM by Time for change
I didn't miss the point about Ayers' comment.

Our news media enablers of the GOP repeatedly call him an unrepentant terrorist. He categorically denies participation in or condoning of terrorism. When Brokaw brought this up on Sunday he was referring to Ayers' book, not the NY Times. Anyhow, what Ayers did was not terrorism, as you point out. I would categorize it more accurately as vigorous protesting, along with some vandalism.

Judging from Ayers' responses to the NY Times article, I would say that they probably misquoted him.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:28 PM
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83. errr... make that "on the lam" n/t
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northsongs Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:05 AM
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75. Agreed. Brokaw is no journalist.
He should be removed from MTP and the entire NBC system in my opinion. He's not a journalist, just a repeater of GOP talking points. He misrepresents the facts where it fits his ideology and promotes deceit. He's been going downhill for quite some time.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:46 AM
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76. Hell, if I was around then, I may have set a few off myself
With our leaders and important figures being assassinated day in and day out, a president and FBI director abusing their powers to spy, harass, and intimidate, and an active and open South chock full of in-your-face racists, I really can't fault the tactics of the Weathermen and others.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:57 AM
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78. I thought we already established that Tommy-Boy
is a GOP enabler. :shrug:
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