Now they are handing out T-shirts

[iamthebandfanman]

the mccain campaign is handing out 'im joe the plumber' t-shirts at rallies now..



i still think we should point out hes a tax evader and has no license.
i mean, if mccain wants to bank it all on one poor guy with troubles in his life... then hey, its fair game.
just another example of john mccain backing someone with no credibility and it shows a horrible lack of judgment

[youthere]

1. Awww...you shouldn't have edited the title...it was more appropriate.

[BrklynLiberal]

2. Pretty bad decision..but the repuke campaign has had a record-breaking number of bad decisions.

[iamthebandfanman]

4. its not tho, unless the media points out this guy

is a lying, stealing, thief.
THEN its was a bad decision, because youve said you were FOR people like him.

like i say, it shows once again that mccain is irratic and has bad judgement.

[TornadoTN]

3. Probably too late to counter the "Joe the Plumber" movement

It's already past the point where it can be turned around. They've made Joe into a generic term for what they classify as "working guys" without pointing out that Joe claimed he made $250,00 per/year or at least had the funds to make it happen.

I know its bullshit. I know Joe is a fraud and a maybe a plant. But the Republicans have won the battle of the Joe the Plumber meme. We need to counter it with other Joes, Kens, Erica's, Michelles, Roberts, etc. that support Obama and his tax plan. That's the only way we can shift away from Joe the Plumber.

[iamthebandfanman]

5. if the media would report the truth about the guy

it was would be devistating to the mccain campaign.. because like you say, its become their big rally cry..

[TornadoTN]

9. That's the thing - we can't count on the media. We have to turn the narrative to our version

I have no doubt the Obama campaign is working on it because they have a whole team of strategy and marketing people on this and I'm just one guy. But our main fault is that we are asking the media to do their jobs and we all know after the past 8 years that its simply not going to happen. The only way to shape this is to turn the narrative our way by presenting our alternative to Joe the Plumber and present it to the people first, then the media.

[iamthebandfanman]

13. well, i was able to find one media outlet talking about the taxes

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081016/pl_bloomberg/ac4j3t5s_eq_1


first ive seen
...

maybe itll catch on

[rvablue]

14. All three networks last night ran stories

about JTP, citing that he isn't a plumber, owed back taxes and didn't even earn enough money to buy a business.

In fairness, they did report on it, and even before they did, all the focus groups after the debate said the JTP thing bothered them.

[iamthebandfanman]

18. wonder why their campaign wants to still use it ?

another subject they think they can lie lie lie until its true type of scenerio?

[rvablue]

21. Desperation!!

After all that is one of the poll numbers that has grown for Obama over the past several weeks:

"white, working class males"


Cue: JTP!

[Youphemism]

6. Joe doesn't actually save money under the McCain plan. He's a "symbol" of people who could save...

Someone from the McCain camp, in an interview with Norah Jones, was advised that given Joe's *actual* income and his dream, the Obama plan will be more favorable to him than the McCain plan. Beside the fact he only makes around $40k, he'll only pay a higher tax rate on *profits* over $250k, rather than being taxed on the value of the company he buys. (Joe clearly isn't very good with numbers.)

The McCain shill said that wasn't important, that Joe was a "symbol" of Americans out there who have concerns about the Obama tax plan. So, pay no attention to the fact American dreamers like Joe would actually do better under Obama. They're a symbol of why McCain's plan is better. They should be happy to pay more taxes for the prestige of their symbolic status.

[helderheid]

7. Biden just did at a rally in NM. n/t

[iamthebandfanman]

8. i heard him on a late show

mention the license thing...


but i really think the tax evading thing is a HUGE deal

[my3boyz]

10. Reminds me of the "I'm not bitter" tactic. nt

[RoadRage]

11. PICTURES..

Tell a thousand words:



I have a feeling that none of those 3 are actual plumbers... but I wonder how many of them are current on their taxes?

[TornadoTN]

12. I wonder why these fine young specimens aren't in Iraq protecting our "freedoms and right to protest

According to their hero, Palin, that's what all the fine people are doing. Why aren't they there? Other priorities?

[AllentownJake]

15. Asthma

all of them.

[rvablue]

16. Read elsewhere that CBS news said

that one of these guys is from Australia, who cannot vote, and another one of them is the president of College Repulicans.

[Dr Fate]

17. Yup. One man is an Australian citizen who cant vote, the other is a college Republican.

There is a thread on this somewhere that you could find if you need more details...

[mitchum]

22. That pudgy piece of shit on the right is a College Republicans leader

[RoadRage]

23. Sooo not surprised.

The last time he held a plunger was when it was getting rammed up his butt during his freshman hazing days. :eyes:

[rvablue]

19. The biggest reason this is going to backfire:

In addition to all the above stated reasons:

Joe asked that he be left alone today.

I doubt he is going to like becoming the poster boy for the McCain campaign.

[Vinca]

20. Hey, Joe the Plumbers: pay your taxes. nt