The Kitty Kelley Book Won't Hurt Bush

[indyjones1938]

The mainstream media is not going to cover the book. The difference between the Kitty Kelley book and Unfit for Command is that Kelley is essentially a gossip writer, while Unfit for Command was authored by Vietnam veterans.

[markses]

1. Correction

Kitty Kelly's book is a load of gossip columnist nonsense, to be sure.

Unfit for Command, on the other hand, was penned by 1) a confirmed racist, anti-semite pig and 2) a Republican shill with a 35 year shilling career, together with a pack of liars, ideologues, and bribe takers.

Those who put hope in Kitty kelley's nonsense are deranged. those who put faith in the Swift Boat liars outrageous smears are demented. Pretty simple, really.

[indyjones1938]

4. What I'm saying

What I'm saying is that, while the Swift Boat Vets have obviously been discredited and their claims disproven, the media had an excuse to cover their book because they were Vietnam vets, not gossip columnists with a proven track record of lies.

I just can't see Wolf Blitzer, Chris Matthews and Bob Novak giving any coverage to the gossip columnist Kitty Kelley whatsoever. Anyone who puts their hopes in Kitty Kelley might as well just play russian roulette.

And sadly, the Swift Boat Vets' book against Kerry is still #1 at Amazon-- not the Kitty Kelley book.

[West Coast Democrat]

10. Kitty Kelley's book will go to #1 without bulk sales!!!

and...do you really think many people watch Wolf Blitzer or Chris Matthews? Not many do.

[Flubadubya]

54. It will catch the Jerry Springer crowd...

and maybe that's just who needs it the most. LOL!

[liveoaktx]

24. Surely you've read of the Swift Boat buying scam?

Where people were calling in to buy bulk special orders of the book from lots of bookstores... only problem was that the people calling used fake names and fake phone numbers. What a good way to try to get the numbers up without having to actually sell to customers.

[jfalchion]

35. Waldenbooks

I was at a Waldenbooks tonite. There was a stack of UFC in my face in front of the register. I tried to act interested and the clerk told me it was selling. Maybe it was there and she told me that in order to rid of the damn thing (OTOH, it only had the usual bestseller discount).

:kick:

[GingerSnaps]

40. Maybe it's going to be a collectors item?

The swift boat liars book might becomes a collectors item. Kind of like they way Hitlers stuff is worth millions to people that collect the junk.

I think the swift boat liars book will be a collectors item someday because it relates to propaganda and the people who helped to destroy the USA.

[AmerDem]

8. alot of Americans read

those gossip rags.

[indyjones1938]

13. nt

But the Kitty Kelley book isn't going to get airtime on the national media. Simple as that.

And the truth is, it's going to take a lot more than a book to bring down the chimp. Look at the books by Richard Clarke and Bob Woodward. They were were reputable authors and yet their books made barely a dent.

[West Coast Democrat]

15. Give it up, already!

People are going to buy her book....No matter how much that bothers you!

[indyjones1938]

25. nt

I'm alerting the moderators to your posts. This is not the first time you have unnecessarily flamed me.

As for Kelley's book, I hope many many people read it. The more the better. But the fact is, people on here are treating a Kitty Kelley book like some kind of panacea or secret weapon for winning the election. It's really getting ridiculous.

If books by a top government official (Richard Clarke) and respected reporter (Bob Woodward) couldn't make more than a dent in Bush's ratings, then a book by a gossip columnist isn't going to either.

Some claim that Kelley's book will get mainstream media coverage, but most of us on DU realize that it's simply not true. The media of 2004 is not the media of 2000 or 1995 or 1985. Today there is a media filter that allows all anti-Kerry accusations to seep through while blocking anti-Bush accusations out. Today's corporate media is in the pockets of the Republican money machine. Nothing would delight me more than to see Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings discussing the Kelley book on air, but the truth is, the odds are firmly stacked against it.

[merh]

29. See post 28 -- Maybe Senator Graham's book will interest the press

I know I will buy Kelly's and Graham's books.

[juajen]

30. Actually, I think all of these things have made a dent in Chimpy's armor

A little bit here, a little bit there, a litle bit everywhere. Why don't you post something positive; the flames might stop. BTW, I have no expectations about Kelley's book at all. You are very quick to generalize.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

31. Lighten up

If you think that's flaming you ain't seen nothing.

[markses]

17. Nor should it

Kitty kelley is only going to provide false hope to the "Magic Bullet" imbeciles on these boards who think that Bush will be defeated by some major scandal rather than by pounding the fucking sidewalk every day in campaigning. These people are scandal mongers and - in my estimation - utterly stupid and counterproductive. Bush will be defeated by door-to-door campaigning, not nonsense scandals or motion pictures. Idiots.

[West Coast Democrat]

20. I'm not saying it will win the election for us...

I'm just saying that people will buy it and talk about it. She'll go on Larry King, she'll go on the morning shows and the late night shows. I don't think it matters if Wolf has her on. No one watches Wolf.

[markses]

23. Yes, sure

People will talk about it. And it will have zero effect on voting, and may even fire up the Republican base, or make other, legitimate charges against Bush seem like part of the same nonsense accusations. Congratulations. There's your stupid best seller. :eyes:

[Ducks In A Row]

33. but it's kitty!!! They love her book on cable!!!!!!!

this is one kind of book the whores will cover.

[VolcanoJen]

45. Correction on Clarke and Woodward.

Maybe their books had a nominal effect, looking back months later, but honestly, the Clarke story had at least a two week shelf life. It was insane. I couldn't believe how much coverage he was getting.

Bob Woodward? Jeez, I actually grew tired of him popping up on every news channel for weeks. Starting with the "60 Minutes" interview, the news media couldn't get enough of him.

Now, I'm not trying to affirm that Kitty Kelley is going to get the same kind of mainstream media treatment, but it's just not accurate to claim that Clarke and Woodward barely made a dent. In fact, I think their books were crucial in the erosion of Bush's approval rating.

[devinsgram]

49. It doesn't need to get air time

People love to read gossip, why do think the Star and the Enquirer do so well, they eat that stuff up.

[markses]

14. And know them as gossip rags

You're so much smarter than they are? Is that the point?

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bushwakker]

2. Kitty Kelly is a gossip columnist and a liar

Only Kerry can hurt Bush.

[GOPAgainstGW]

52. BS - Glad you are not involved in the K-E Campaign Management

[kentuck]

3. So absurd to make all the charges against Bush appear false....

Don't fall for it..

[West Coast Democrat]

5. I'm sure Fox News won't cover it....

but people will buy the book.

[napi21]

6. It depends on how the publisher promotes it.

I don't think it's going to have the credibility that the Clarke, or any of the other anti shrub books have had because she is a gossip, but I don't think it can be dismissed either. There's a lot fof people out there that love that stuff! Why do you think the media keeps running stories about Kobie, and Michael Jackson etc. Why are the "fake" reality shows such a hit. There will be some impact, just not as much as we would like.

[JPJones]

7. Her book on Nancy Reagan was covered extensively

in the media. Nancy had an affair with Sinatra in the White House? Nancy consulted and astrologer? Both of these nuggets came from Kelley's book and were reported breathlessly, IIRC.

[Shopaholic]

53. What I'm worried about is that the media will point out that

Kelley wrote an unflattering book about Nancy Reagan and they'll claim she's got an anti-Republican agenda, so therefore, she should be ignored. I realize that the SBV's clearly had an anti-Kerry agenda, but that sure as hell didn't stop them from covering that story to death! But what I'm trying to stay here is that we know the media is biased and that they aren't going to cover anything--no matter if it's substantial or a piece of gossip that is unflattering towards *. So my guess is that this book won't be the cure-all some here think it will be.

[Maddy McCall]

9. Evidently, you know nothing about Kitty Kelley. This book will be covered

EXTENSIVELY. All of her books are.

[West Coast Democrat]

11. It's a little thing called wishful think on his part....

to him, you're nobody unless Wolf Blitzer talks about you!!!

[indyjones1938]

21. nt

More like wishful thinking on your part.

You are evidently one of the few here on DU who has yet to realize that the media is against us in this election. A book like Unfit for Command, filled with unsubstantiated claims and outright lies, got free advertising on NBC, ABC, CBS nightly news along with all the cable shows for weeks on end.

Yet I bet top dollar that the Kitty Kelley book will barely get a mention on any news networks. It might go #1 on Amazon but unless the media gives it publicity and free adveritising as was the case with the Swift Boat Vets it's not going to have as big an impact. Go ahead and flame me if you want. It is you who have yet to face reality over the media situation in the U.S., not me.

And you'd be surprised how many Americans never go to bookstores.

[West Coast Democrat]

22. the publisher of Unfit only printed 75,000 prelim copies...

he sold out because of the bogus "bulk orders."

Kitty Kelley will sell millions of books. I don't know how it will affect the election, but she'll go heavy on the talk show circuit.

[ellie]

56. You're not serious, are you?

Kitty Kelly will sell millions of books. She is a best-selling author. The American people love that kind of stuff. As others have pointed out, she has never been successfully sued.

Will it influence people, election-wise? Who knows? If a person was leaning toward smirky and was turned off by what he/she read in Kelly's book, then yes, I would say it will influence people.

[Bluebear]

12. Oh please! This is just the kind of stuff America loves!

A poster the other night said so hopefully "The American public is thirsting for information and knowledge...."

That's a wonderful sentiment but I think they are thristing for who Trista Bachelorette chose and the Amber Frey tapes. The media will cover this.

[Zen Democrat]

16. If you remember, the mainstream press has covered ALL her books.

The Nancy Reagan book got big play. The Royals was a major bestseller and she was on all the shows. Kitty Kelley has connections and she'll be seen and heard.

[liveoaktx]

18. DREAM ON! America LOVES to Dish... Otherwise, Kobe, Scott,

Michael J wouldn't be on the news every friggin' night. She'll also be on the daytime shows, I'm sure- Oprah, The View, at night on semi-tabloid shows like Deborah Norville, Paula Zahn. It actually will help her sell books that she is a gossip writer.

I read a blurb someplace today about how, when people found out, in 2000, about Bushie's drunken driving ticket that he tried to cover up, it cost him some votes. He's running on The Cult of Personality, so anything that makes people doubt his character is gonna make him take a hit.

[canuckybee]

19. It will do better than the other books mentioned

simply because it will be an easier read. It will be trashy gossip and legions of people who would never think of reading any of the other books will read this one.

[Doosh]

26. FOX will avoid it like the plague

and you'd better believe they won't be interviewing her

so it's up to us to buy the book and spread some buzz about it, then maybe the story can grow some legs. But please don't get your hopes up.

[kskiska]

39. Faux will probably have her on

and try to make her an object of ridicule, demanding proof for every allegation in the book. Can't you just see Hannity or O'Really frothing at the mouth?

[merh]

28. How about Senator Graham's book!

I will have to buy several of both Kelly's and Graham's for my repuke "friends". The press will have a hard time ignoring Graham's

A_Possum (965 posts) Sat Sep-04-04 09:44 PM
Original message
Hellllooooo...you want some serious attacks on Bush?


Two hijackers had help in the U.S., Graham says in new book

"He reserves his harshest criticism for Bush. Graham found the president had ''an unforgivable level of intellectual -- and even common sense -- indifference'' toward analyzing the comparative threats posed by Iraq and al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

"When the weapons were not found, one year after the invasion of Iraq, Bush attended a black-tie dinner in Washington, Graham recalled. Bush gave a humorous speech with slides, showing him looking under White House furniture and joking, ``Nope, no WMDs there.''

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x748447

[TexasSissy]

32. I don't know anyone who has ever read a Kitty Kelly book. But she

goes on the talk show circuit. She may get heard that way.

[bobbyboucher]

34. You wish.

Keep on carrying.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

36. The right wing pundits and experts won't read it but will call it BS

anyway, like F-911, because it's anti-Bush, pursuant to the doctrine of Bush Infallibility.

[LTR]

37. Her Nancy Reagan book got tons of press

Same with her Sinatra book.

So far, there hasn't been a ton of buzz, but I've heard that it's already #13 on Amazon.

There will be some buzz, though the infotainment channels (CNN, FOX, MSNBC) are in Bush-loving mode. They seem to fear him.

[JCMach1]

38. And just what are the ratings of MTP compared to

Entertainment Tonight?

[roguevalley]

41. Kitty Kelly COMMANDS attention. She rocks the casbah. I have mine

ordered. Stole this off the Daily Kos: Read it and f**king weep:

Diaries :: Abe's diary ::

From an unsourced Indymedia post. (how is that for unsubstantiated!?)

Slash-and-burn celebrity biographer who revealed Sinatra's mother performed coathanger abortions and Lady Di was a pushover, is set to demolish Anti-Christ George W. Bush with Sept. 14 release of Bush Family biography. The biography is obviously unauathorized.
It reveals alleged sex offenses against minors by Dubya's father.

It reveals the use of the White House by male hookers.

It reveals crooked business deals by every member of the Bush clan, including the oh-so-holy first lady, Laura "Round Heels" Bush.

It reveals how former first lady Babs Bush is almost a practicing witch.

It reveals how Dubya has had a very special friend in the mayor of a Tennessee city, who has has cohabited the Texas ranch many times.

It reveals the details of embarassing photographs of Bush that actually caused U.S. Govt. agents to perpetrate the anthrax mailings to destroy the building of National Enquirer and kill photo editor Stevens.

It reveals how you can get surprisingly close to America's Darth Vader.

It reveals the incredible relationship between Dubya and some famous televangelists.

It reveals intimate details gleaned from persons close to Bush in Crawford, Texas.

It reveals the filth of Bush's ancestors, the most shocking family in US history.

It reveals how Bush plans additional wars for oil, under the pretense of fighting terrorism and defending Israel -- these are just pretenses, the real reason is we are running out of oil.

It reveals Dubya's oedipus complex with Babs, his love/hate relationship with his father, some surprising medical details about Duby, including an explanation of why he is so burnt out.

It reveals who runs Bush, and it is not Round Heels.

It reveals murders committed by the Bush family.

It reveals why George W. Bush is the greatest threat the US and the world has ever faced.

This book makes Fahrenheit 9/11 look like pablum. It is real raw meat.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA! It'll get attention, believe you me.

[Andromeda]

42. The media will jump on it like flies on sugar.

Especially CNN, MSNBC and Faux News. It is about the Bushes and the media love juicy scandals. Look how long they talked about Princess Diana. They're still resurrecting theories about her death.

CNN's Judy Woodfuff gave O'Neill free advertising for Unfit for Command and the pundits are still beating that drum, so I'm sure they will have a few sound bites for Kitty Kelley's book.

It will be irresistile; they won't be able to control themselves. It's like watching a train wreck or a burning building. People are fascinated by scandals involving the rich and powerful.

Just wait and see -- Kelley will hit the talk show circuit and everybody will be talking about her book. I bet Larry King has already booked her.

[oasis]

43. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

:bounce:

[Andromeda]

47. Hee, hee...

:)

[VolcanoJen]

44. Anyone remember that silly little Andrew Morton "gossip" book....

... about Princess Diana? The one that pretty much blew the lid off the monarchy? Yeh, me either.

:eyes:

If there's juice and dirt in that book, you can bet your bippy it'll get traction. And Kitty always makes news... ask Frank Sinatra's family.

[oasis]

46. I don't know alot about the author. I do know that gossip rules the news.

[UTUSN]

48. Who Decided the Word "Gossip" Means "Not True"?

Below is the dictionary definition with the key words, "FACTS" and "REPORT" regarding "personal," "sensational," and/or "intimate" things. There is NO connotation of "lack of truth" and in fact the intimation is that the things said are TRUE (if embarrassing). And there are a few posts above referring to WOODWARD as though he were a spokesman for us, which he is not.

Post #4 in particular assigns credibility (or says THE MEDIA DOES) to the swiftbots-Against-KERRY on the basis that they are Vietnam Vets---huh? Newsflash, in any group of anybody there's a spectrum running from wackos to nerds. And it says KELLEY works with LIES-----she, with a string of world bestsellers, a total pro, with a staff of researchers, with at least double sources for every tidbit.

QUOTE: "...they were Vietnam vets, not gossip columnists with a proven track record of lies."

*******QUOTE*******

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=gossip&x=15&y=13

Main Entry: 1gos·sip
Pronunciation: 'gä-s&p
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English gossib, from Old English godsibb, from god god + sibb kinsman, from sibb related -- more at SIB
1 a dialect British : GODPARENT b : COMPANION, CRONY c : a person who habitually reveals personal or sensational facts about others
2 a : rumor or report of an intimate nature b : a chatty talk c : the subject matter of gossip


http://www.nypost.com/seven/08302004/gossip/cindy.htm



August 30, 2004 -- ....

THE gossip around: Kitty Kelley's Bush family vivisection gets published right after the convention, when residents return to civilization. It allegedly "has five major revelations." Supposedly, familial indiscretions naming names, places, times, etceteras. Plus W's documented missing year and service record.

********UNQUOTE*******

[mainer]

50. Print run: 500,000 copies. 'nuff said.

by comparison, "Unfit for Command" had an initial print run of around 40,000 copies. (It's since gone up.)

Kitty's publisher wouldn't take on that huge a financial risk of printing half a million copies unless they've already had huge numbers of orders from bookstores.

[GOPAgainstGW]

51. Dumb! - The Book Will Be A NYT Best Seller!! You Watch !! - Smart Move

Ya know the DNC is not as dumb as you are alluding. The tabloid trash rags are a multi-billion industry and increasing every year.

People eat this stuff up, particularly if you understand the stratification and dynamics of the Democrat voter base, which is what this book targets. The book also has an excellent publisher, and PR firm behind it.

Huge Bush “Real Dirt” Books to Hit Stores – The September Surprise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=735192&mesg_id=735192

[LTR]

55. Republicans are supposedly freaking out about Kelly's book

http://www.rogersimon.com/archive/006863.html

NEW YORK - - Republican insiders have been huddling in small groups at the Republican Convention this week and talking about what worries them most. It is not John Kerry. It is not the unemployment numbers. It is not Iraq.

It is Kitty Kelley.

Kelley has a new book coming out in a few weeks titled "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty” and it is rumored to be explosive.

One source tells me there are “at least five bombshells” contained in it and another source says there is allegedly new material on President Bush’s service in the Air National Guard.

Democrats have long been worried about a Republican “October Surprise” such as the capture of Osama bin Laden. But now some Republicans are worried that Kelley’s book will be the equivalent of an October surprise and harmful to President Bush’s re-election hopes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27098-2004Aug23.html

Another Kitty Kelley Book, Another Controversy

• Kitty Kelley's latest venture in provocative unauthorized biographies, "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty," is tightly under wraps until its release next month, but her decision to schedule a Washington book-signing party to benefit a political wing of Planned Parenthood provides a whiff of controversy to come. Though Kelley won't comment, her reps are billing the Sept. 21 party as a "thank you" to President Bush's father and grandfather for their support of the organization in decades past.

"Members of the Bush families have been long-term supporters of comprehensive family planning and education and we appreciate their support, but most of all, we miss them," said Jatrice Martel Gaiter, who heads Planned Parenthood of Metropolitan Washington and its newly relaunched political action fund, which backs abortion rights. Gaiter wouldn't specify which Bushes she meant (we know it's not George W. or Laura), but according to press accounts, the late Sen. Prescott Bush, the current president's grandfather, was an early supporter of Planned Parenthood and so were George H.W. Bush and his wife, Barbara. In 1992, the first lady confirmed that she and the president contributed to Planned Parenthood "during our marriage," but the White House didn't specify a date except to say it was "many years ago."

Keep in mind as well that much of Kitty's gossip tomes likely tend to lean toward the right. The supermarket tabloids really aim toward this persuasion.

[Neshanic]

57. It won't? Wanna bet? It will be huge. They know it.

This place is beyond hysterical at times. A few points people that never seem to be understood.

The majority of people in the US do not go to political boards and post on them. The majority of people do not read the political pundits or newspapers. They watch ALOT of television. they do not comb libraries for the latest tidbit on why the SBL are wrong, what Andrew Card said, what Rove does, let alone that he exisits.

They do not read blogs, they do not read that much of anything. The populace is borderline moron, and only pay attention to things when they are presented in simplistic sound bite terms on television. The debate on the what lies, when lies, how lies, and if lies, does not enter their brains. Example, the disconnect between the working get-by's voting for BUsh. How many are there? Legions.

By us micro-managing every lie, AND the tentacles of the lie, we loose. That is why this is the most important.

Stop picking apart lies. Nobody cares. Confront the main lie head on, and hammer it till it is mush. The pull of the McCain ad was the worst mistake they ever made. Kerry must now go on an offensive of throwing everything at them.

Now Kitty Kelly. She will be a monster sucess. Average people we need to get to, do not know the latest scholarly work on the corrupt administration. But the DO KNOW Kitty Kelly and her work, and it is written in a style that the "People", and "ET" people like and will buy. So stop saying that this book will have no effect.

It will have more effect than they could ever wish for; it is aimed right an audience that we need to convert.

[GOPAgainstGW]

58. CHECK THIS!!-KITTY STARTS HER BOOK APPEARANCES IN TEXAS, HAAAA!!!

Starts with Karl Rove's city (Austin), then hit's BushTown Houston, then on to Dallas where the rest of the Bush Mafia clan live..BaaWaaa!!!!
--------------------

Email Rec’d-09.04.04

I hope it's trashy...Real scum!! That would make a good balance to the crap the "Dixie Cup Captains for Fascism" wrote about John Kerry.

===REPLY===

You see this -

"The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty”
Home Page: http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/

First stop for Kitty, after her book release, is Karl Rove’s home city of Austin Texas, for media exposure, a book signing reception, and an interview with the highly acclaimed and Nationally awarded Texas Monthly magazine. Also remember six months ago Texas Monthly turned negative on Bush, after ten years of nothing but positive articles and comments.

After Austin, Kitty will do the same gigs in Houston and Dallas, but her agent will not disclose the dates presently.

Gotta to love it, light-em up, Go Girl! – J.A.L.

Texas Monthly Author Series – Kitty Kelly
http://www.texasmonthly.com/authorseries/

[JPJones]

60. She should't ride in any convertibles in Dallas n/t

[autorank]

59. Main stream media-no coverage. The INQUIRER will!!! n/t

[Clinton Crusader]

61. it's #12 on Amazon pre sales

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385503245/qid=1094403291/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-9178355-8832749

"Perhaps most impressive--and surprising--is the way the book delves behind the obsessively protected public image into the family's intimate private lives: the matriarchs, the mistresses, the marriages, the divorces, the jealousies, the hypocrisies, the golden children, and the black sheep."
:kick:

[swag]

62. Let's get Sy Hersch on 60 Minutes discussing child-rape at Abu Ghraib

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060195916/qid=1094403618/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-5292375-8535200?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Hersch's book may have more impact that Kelley's, especially when people are discussing on national news the videos that the government possesses of children being raped in front of their parents at Abu Ghraib.

[mountainvue]

63. Kitty Kelley

has won a lot of awards for her writing. She does her homework. You can bet she will be on every talk show. It's going to be good.