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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:12 AM
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Poll question: Joe the Plumber is a plant
After listening to him LIVE, I am convinced. PERIOD

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:13 AM
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1. Related to Charles Keating
Not licensed as a plumber in Ohio nor is he registered to vote in Ohio.

All indications say "yes".
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:19 AM
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12. not licensed?
Holy Moly.
Can I ask where to find out more about that? There are so many threads on him I can't keep up!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:20 AM
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14. Not sure the 'not registered to vote' is accurate.
His first name is Samuel, middle name Joseph, and I think the searches were done for Joseph.

More info to come, I'm sure.


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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:22 AM
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18. I personally searched
I ONLY searched on "Wurzelbacher".

See for yourself from the Ohio Secretary of State's website:

http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/cf_ftp/voter_ftp_home?agree...

If you want to check on his state license as a plumber:

http://elicense1-lookup.com.ohio.gov/SearchCriteria.asp...
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elizfeelinggreat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:34 AM
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22. fyi, from the Toledo Blade:


Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumbers, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.

thank you for the license link!

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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:42 AM
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25. Yep, here's his voter registration database record
OH0013041328,48,092248416,WORZELBACHER,SAMUEL,JOSEPH,,1973,08/08/2006,R,355 SHREWSBURY ST , ,HOLLAND,OH,43528,,,, , ,,,,,,,,,,,09,06,,,,SYLVANIA,SPRINGFIELD 5,48-P-ATE,02,46,02,SPRINGFIELD TOWNSHIP,,,,,,,,X,,,,X,X,,,,,X,,,X,,R
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Rwalsh Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:00 PM
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36. Are we allowed to post that? Might be against the rules. N/T
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:49 AM
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33. When did he move there? Any records?
Right wing and bald, hmmmmmmmmm
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 12:01 PM
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37. See this
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:59 PM
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41. He's registered as Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher.
Last name is misspelled.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:21 PM
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42. Then shouldn't his name have been purged form
the voter roles?
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dgibby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:31 PM
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44. That's what I'm thinking!
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:14 AM
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2. Like a bougainvillea?
;)
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:16 AM
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6. Nah, like a Straighttalkexpress weed
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:14 AM
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3. Yes
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:15 AM
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4. latest in a series of stunts from McFailed
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:16 AM
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5. No, he would have had to know Obama would be there to be a plant...
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 09:20 AM by 1corona4u
and no one knew Obama was going there. He just thought he'd be a big shot and trap Obama. Now he will be dissected by the media. That'll teach him to keep his stupid yap shut.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:17 AM
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7. I bet there are moles in the Obama campaign, don't be surprised by the power of the FAUX
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:21 AM
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16. NOW you're bramaged n/t
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:24 AM
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19. Did you have a chance to listen to him??
"I don't want Social Security forced on me".


:hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:22 AM
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17. Where/how did the meeting between him and Obama take place?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:36 AM
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23. On the street in Holland...when Obama was walking...
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:42 AM
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24. last Sunday....
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 09:50 AM by gblady
Obama took a break from his debate prep and did door to door canvassing in Holland, Ohio...
of course, the press was there...and there were lots of pics, and a couple of videos
of Barack talking with folks who had gathered to see him as he walked about...
this dude was one of them...

McLame saw a video...and ran with it...
fortunately or unfortunately...depending on your view...
his campaign did not investigate the guy...

here's the original video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAfGAcz4eY
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:17 AM
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8. he wasn't vetted nt
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:51 PM
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47. Heh. Imagine that. Not vetted.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:18 AM
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9. He wants to be Joe the Mayor
He kinda reminds me of the bald guys that * liked to rub their heads.
Could be Jeffy's double!!

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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:19 AM
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10. Maybe -- How did he end up getting the opportunity to talk with Obama --
how did that come about? That would tell us if he really was a plant or not.

Regardless, he's a RW poster boy.
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Tesla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:20 AM
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15. I was away yesterday, did they have him and Obama on video?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:25 AM
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21. He said he lived arround the corner....and heard that Obama was there
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 09:26 AM by 1corona4u
so he went over. After he heard the questions people were asking Obama, he didn't think they were tough enough, so he asked about the taxes.

Not that any of this matters, and people are giving it way too much weight.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:47 AM
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28. Yeah, the topics we get waylaid by are embarrassing. We and the media
sure look dumb when we buy into it.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:26 AM
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31. Excuse me, excuse me
I thought I'd say it twice since you repeated it twice
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:48 AM
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29. Yeah, the topics we get waylaid by are embarrassing. We and the media
sure look dumb when we buy into it.


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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:19 PM
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49. he actually lives on the same street Obama was visiting
Obama was going door to door on Shrewsbury Street. THere are reports on Obama's website about him talking to a woman who lived at 312 SHrewsbury. Joe Un-cool lives on 355 Shrewsbury.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:52 AM
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30. see #24 above...
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Stagecoach Donating Member (468 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:19 AM
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11. If you start hearing in stump speeches
The mention of "Joe the plumber" constantly, it'll become more and more obvious he was a plant.
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:20 AM
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13. Yes, he's a ficus.
plant
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:16 PM
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38. Cactus
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:25 AM
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20. He Sounds LIke a Plant
but it's possible he was self-planted, if you know what I mean.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:44 AM
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26. Last Wednesday we had a "walk the neighborhood" with our local Dem cong candidate
we had 20 door knockers go ahead and do a brief preliminary session to weed out any trouble makers.

It went very smoothly and the Obama campaign would have benefited from that.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 09:44 AM
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27. I don't think he's a plant at all.
I think he's a run-of-the-mill Rush-listening Republican, who happened to get his name in the papers, and who the McCain campaign immediately capitalized on.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:27 AM
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32. Yes, I saw the original clip when he asks Obama the question
it seems contrived and he looks like a plant
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:58 AM
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34. But the msm corporate whores eats this shit up.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:48 AM
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35. Of course, they are slaves to ratings, even micro-ratings
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:17 PM
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39. considering he may be related to Keating, and has a relative in Wasilla, I'd say it's plausible. n/t
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 02:32 PM
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40. I am SURE it is likely now, and the truth will set him free
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:25 PM
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43. How do you PLANT someone..
when Obama walked up to their front door. McCain can't even organize 9 people in his own campaign.. i don't think he could guess where Obama was going to randomly jump out and stop door-knocking or put a plant in random houses in OH in anticipation... that's even to far out for my tin hat.

This guy is a republican.. he's not acting like a Plant, he's acting like a typical racist republican. I don't want to vote for the black guy. He would be better for me financially (this guy makes $40,000 per year.. not $250,000) but I need to convince myself that i'm not racist, so i'm going to pretend that I really care about what I would be out as a possible business owner. :puke:

Not a plant.. just another idiot voting for McSame.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:47 PM
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45. OK, whatever. You're right, I conceed you are smarter than us
:eyes:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 03:49 PM
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46. I believe he's a Republican Plant.
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 03:50 PM by Uncle Joe
Thanks for the thread DainBramaged.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:15 PM
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48. It needed to be said as soon as possible this morning
I don't care what the naysayers say, nay, the Rethugs are capable of ANYTHING, and this guy was a sleeper WAITING for his chance.

I'm SURE his income increased today, by a lot.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:21 PM
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50. do the repubs have sleepers on every street in Ohio?
Every street in every battleground state? Every street in America?

Wow. With an organization like that, we're screwn....
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:33 PM
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52. We've been screwn since 1994
Edited on Thu Oct-16-08 07:35 PM by DainBramaged
not any more......

Guy is in one of McSame's commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmZ3o0Di7Go
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 04:22 PM
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51. Yes!
The McSame campaign is using him in another cynical stunt.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:10 PM
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53. We aren't wrong, another failed stunt by McSame
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 10:25 PM
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54. We stupidly set ourselves up for this one. . .
There was no very clear information about WHO would be taxed and who would not, and this let us be
set up for entrapment.

If something CLEAR had stated who would be taxed and who would not, including business owners, this could
have been prevented.


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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 06:06 PM
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55. Yes, but McSame really stepped in it again, didn't he?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:18 AM
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56. He IS a plant folks, any questions????? (I love being right).
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