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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:37 PM
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Handy Guide to The Palin House Scandal that WILL take Sarah and Todd Palin down
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:08 PM by zulchzulu


(Edited from previous home image)

Fox interview with Todd Palin (house mentioned at 2:00 into interview): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcNpFShO5k0

The Palin family home is a two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house situated on Lake Lucille. According to Palin's income tax returns, the house was assessed at more than half a million dollars $552,000 to be exact.

Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the 3,450 square-foot, half million dollar home himself with the help of some "buddies." Since Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits as mayor of Wasilla, there is no record of who Todd's "buddies" were.

Coincidentally, at the same time that Todd and his "buddies" were building the Palin house, the $12.5 million dollar Wasilla sports complex and hockey rink was under construction right down the road.

http://www.propeller.com/story/2008/10/13/who-built-sar... /


Another assessment:

Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house himself, with the help of contractors he described as "buddies." As mayor, Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits in the wide-open city, and there is no public record of who the "buddies" were. The house was built very near the complex, on a site whose city purchase led to years of unsuccessful litigation and, now, $1.3 million in additional costs, with a law firm that's also donated to Palin collecting costly fees from the city.

Dorwin and Joanne Smith, the principals of complex subcontractor DJ Excavation & Development, have donated $7,100 to Palin and her allied candidate Charlie Fannon (Joanne is a Palin appointee on the state Board of Nursing). Sheldon Ewing, who owns another complex subcontractor, Weld Air, has donated $1,300, and PN&D, an engineering firm on the complex, has contributed $699.

Ewing was one of the few sports-complex contractors, aside from Spenard, willing to address the question of whether he worked on the house as well, but he had little to say: "I doubt that it occurred, but if it did indirectly, how would I know anyhow?" The odd timing of Palin's house constructionit was completed two months before she left City Hall and while she and Todd Palin were campaigning statewide for the first timeraises questions, especially considering its synergy with the complex.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/10/another-p...
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-10-08/news/the-book-of...


Then there's the Wasilla Sports Complex, which had additional legal troubles:

The biggest project that Sarah Palin undertook as mayor of this small town was an indoor sports complex, where locals played hockey, soccer, and basketball, especially during the long, dark Alaskan winters.

The only catch was that the city began building roads and installing utilities for the project before it had unchallenged title to the land. The misstep led to years of litigation and at least $1.3 million in extra costs for a small municipality with a small budget. What was to be Ms. Palin's legacy has turned into a financial mess that continues to plague Wasilla.

"It's too bad that the city of Wasilla didn't do their homework and secure the land before they began construction," said Kathy Wells, a longtime activist here. "She was not your ceremonial mayor; she was in charge of running the city. So it was her job to make sure things were done correctly."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/07/palins-biggest...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122065537792905483.html


D J Excavation & Development
2970 E. Cottle Loop,
Wasilla, AK 99654-7251
p: (907) 376 3443
No website or email

Sports Complex:
http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=114

Blase Burkhart (architect):

http://www.burkhart-croft.com/contact.html

The big question though is if she can see Russia from her house.... :rofl:

On edit addition:



May 25, 2007:
The Anchorage Daily News reports that the FBI and a federal grand jury are investigating an "extensive" remodeling project at Senator Ted Stevens' home in Girdwood, Alaska. Bob Persons, Ted Stevens' friend and neighbor, is ordered to appear before a grand jury in Washington. The government directs Persons to submit documents related to the work on Stevens' home in Girdwood, including contractors who were hired or supervised by VECO, the Anchorage Daily News reports.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/347/alaska-corruption.html








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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:42 PM
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1. K&R. Great stuff, the truth. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:43 PM
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2. Rec'd~ So palins used
city funds to build their dream house?
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iiibbb Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:48 AM
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79. I read it too... and since I am still asking the same question I doubt this is the scandal to...
...take her down.

This needs something more concrete before it means anything.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:39 AM
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93. Yes - and it was only completed two months before her term was up.
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 08:40 AM by hisownpetard
I wonder how many of the materials used to build that house were the same as materials
used for the sports complex.

Overages come in really handy, sometimes!
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bear425 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:44 PM
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3. I guess the house is made of "Winkin' Logs" instead of
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:07 PM by bear425
Lincoln Logs.


edit: You betcha ;-)

edit II : Okay, now my response doesn't make any sense since the OP changed the pic.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:49 PM
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5. I have the perfect reply to this. I am not going to say it, but I just want you to know
It would have been gold.

Dog-gone it! ;-)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #3
80. I saw the first cabin.
;)
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:48 PM
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4. "This is the House that Fraud Built"...
.
This is the house that fraud built.

These are the permits that were never gotten for the house that fraud built.

These are the buddies that worked on the house that never had permits that fraud built.

These are the no-bid contracts and other favors given by fraud to the buddies that worked on the house that never had permits that fraud built.

"Something like that?)


:shrug:
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 05:00 PM
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87. Where is the FBI on this?
Just curious ... or did she slyly give the FBI some secrets on Stevens and others that gave, or gives her and Todd immunity?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 07:06 PM
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88. No kidding, where is the FBI and the MSM on this? nt
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:50 PM
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6. No offense...but is that all ya got?
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 10:51 PM by hexola
Not much to get excited about...doesnt look like much of a house to be honest...

So the house was built "at the same time" - big whoop...

So she opposed permits...snoooze...meaningless juxtaposition...

Now - lets find some BIG numbers - 12.5 million - WOW - this IS serious!!!

C'mon - is this what this whole thing is based on...?

Lame.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:54 PM
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11. She may have gotten a lot of work done FOR FREE...
We'll see where this goes...


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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:56 PM
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14. This summer I helped put a new roof on my friends home after a fire...FOR FREE
this just doesnt sound uncommon in smaller communities.

And it looks like one of those kit houses that a couple of "buddies" could put together.

Kinda crappy looking if you ask me...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #14
19. A couple of buddies and a crane to lift the logs.
There should be an invoice for the crane contractor, at the very least.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
20. Well now the OP has changed the picture of the house....!
get it together OP~!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 PM
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24. Thanks!
Upon looking further, I found the actual photo.

Start your own thread so I can piss on it too. :hi:

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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:13 PM
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27. Sure buddy...
just try to have your shit together next time... :hi:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Are you really a Jerry fan?
Yeesh... get some weed.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:25 AM
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71. LOL... some folks have nothing positive to offer
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 10:26 AM by npincus
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Thorandmjolnir Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:23 AM
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70. The suspicious thing is the timing
She had this house built as she was running for state wide office, about the same time as bids were solicited for the sports complex. Add to the mix that Todd Pailin's main sponsor is the supply company.

Then add to the fact that its not easy to built a house that size, just you and some "buddies".

You need an architect, unless you do the drawings yourself (I don't think Todd is the architect type). Then you need to lay the foundation, meaning concrete equipment. Could be done. But you also need some kind of surveyor to make sure place is level and the foundation is sound.
Then you need a plumber for all the piping, sewer etc. Add to that an electrician to do all the wiring in the house. Lastly you need to built the actual house.

What I like to know is how long did it take for Todd and his buddies to built this house.

I know people who built their own house, much smaller than this, and it took a looooong time.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #70
83. You also need an engineer to determine how to make the plans structurally sound.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #14
84. Did your friends reward you with millions of dollars of tax payer money?
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 01:44 AM
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90. 3450 sq. ft. house. Yeah "..one of those kit houses that a couple
of buddies could put together", on a weekend of course. Sure, and that includes plumbing for 4 bathrooms, complete wiring and installing a heating plant. Sure, kinda' crappy house worth only a half million. Accomplished by Todd P and a couple of "buddies".
Kit house, yeah.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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13. Oh, I think you could be seriously wrong
How many years of Tax records did the Palin's release?

There will likely be write offs to offset the house value!

These would need to be documented receipts. If they don't have receipts then the question needs to be asked - where did you get the building materials!

Tax Evasion my friend, can open up a huge can of worms.

And yes I do think the Palin's are that stupid and greedy.

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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #13
15. Well, get that info before you publish your next "handy guide"
cuz this doesnt look like much at all...
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:01 PM
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16. Dude, not my post!
You need some fiber or a foot up your ass to unblock your bitterness.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:02 PM
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17. sorry dog...!
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:16 PM
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29. Fair enough
Just lost my fantasy football game by three points to my least favorite league member, I may be a bit on the pissy side tonight.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:03 PM
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18. It's a breaking story and so far, this is what is available...
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 11:03 PM by zulchzulu
I'll try to drive to Wasilla tomorrow to ask questions... methinks you doth protest too much...

:crazy:

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #18
25. I'm sure people here will be digging into it.
We have some very determined local bloggers.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:11 PM
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26. That little log cabin picture didn't exactly look like something you'd need a lot of help building..
Sorry - posting the WRONG picture didnt help the BASIC credibility of the argument. That little log thing looks like something a few dudes with a pickup and few 12 packs could build in a week. Not something you would seek the favor of contractors building sports arenas.

With the right picture - showing a nice BIG house in play - SUDDENLY you have a better basic argument...

I recant my doubt.
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:17 PM
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30. Lame? You have got to be kidding. When the family home which
represents the majority of wealth for most families is built by "friends" and the governor simultaneously blocks filing permits and benefactors are building simultaneously down the street from the governor's family home--that's not lame.

There are some obvious conflicts of interest here and this needs to be disclosed. If Palin can't answer the questions, then that should raise a red flag as to her integrity. This and the fact that she lived on state tax payer's per diem while in that house points to another Republiscum crook.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:19 AM
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51. She didnt BLOCK permits...
Read it carefully - She opposed a local effort to require permitting...she did not block specific permits.(since none were needed)

And FYI - the OP posted the WRONG picture with his handy guide...originally he had some tacky little log cabin - exactly the kind of place a guy and few buddies could put up in a week.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #51
75. And just WHY do you think she so blocked?
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #30
54. And she wasnt governor then... still the mayor of Wasilla...
read carefully...
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #6
34. Sounds like the same thing as Sen. Stephens' house.
He's facing charges.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #6
74. Sweat the small stuff. Income-tax evasion brought down Al Capone.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:33 AM
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94. Half a million here
a half a million there - yep just peanuts. We all have buddies who have the time & money to build us a 4 bedroom 4 bath 3450 square foot house. Why that just happened to me last year. Incredibly all my closest friends are master electricians, plumbers, framers, roofers and architects with lots of time on their hands...heck the even had extra marble, tile, lumber, shingles, copper tubing, wire and bathroom fixtures, etc. laying around. You should have seen the sheetrock hanging party on a Friday night. They got the whole 3450 sq. ft. house done in 5 1/2 hours, floated and bedded the walls to boot. All I had to do was bring the beer.

Your right....so "Lame". What's the big deal anyway, those Wasilla taxpayers are just schmucks and deserve to take it up the rear.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:51 PM
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7. This won't take her down any more than the other 10 scandals
she's got a teflon media shield around her.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #7
23. Then it's our job to bust her ass which is what the OP
is going for.

"A HISTORIC TICKET.... Now that Sarah Palin has been found to have abused her powers, violated state ethics, and lied about it, I did a little digging and found an interesting historical footnote.

The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election.

McCain, of course, was admonished by Senate Ethics Committee "for exercising 'poor judgment' for intervening" with federal regulators on behalf of Charles Keating, as part of the infamous Keating Five scandal.

And now McCain's running mate has also been found to have violated state ethics laws and abused the powers of her office, as part of the "Troopergate" scandal.

The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first.

It makes the whole "reform" pitch a little more difficult, doesn't it?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20...
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #23
31. WOW! Good find! Seriously...
If that's not a killer Obama ad, I don't know what is...

"The McCain/Palin ticket is the first in American history in which both candidates were found to have violated ethics standards before a national election."

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I was hoping someone would read it on DU..
It was a last second find on buzzflash before I retired for the night but had to get this out there.

That's sleepy not boring :)
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:29 AM
Response to Reply #23
47. Yo, McPalin! Reform starts at home!
Clean yourselves up before looking to DC!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #47
81. zulch is right..it would make a mighty fine
ad and this news needs to go VI-RAL!

"The nation has had 102 major-party tickets covering 51 presidential elections over more than two centuries. And we've never had a ticket in which both candidates on the same ticket were responsible for ethics violations before a national election. McCain/Palin is the first.

It makes the whole "reform" pitch a little more difficult, doesn't it?"


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/20 ...

:hi:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:06 AM
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48. I.R.S. nt
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:51 PM
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8. didn't stevens and his family get these sweetheart deals too?
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Stevens basically did the same thing...
He'll be in a big house soon enough.
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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:53 PM
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10. So that's a middle class home, huh? (By Palin's standards.)
Wow. Never in my lifetime will I be able to afford a place like that, and I have a bachelor's degree in journalism, just like Palin. (Except I made better grades.)
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 10:55 PM
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12. I built my own house with some contractor buddies too.
Edited on Mon Oct-13-08 10:56 PM by lumberjack_jeff
Granted, mine is only 2000 sf.

The dots need connecting to a greater degree than has thus far been demonstrated.

For instance, if the winning contractor on the sports complex was not the low bidder...
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:05 PM
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21. Todd built that himself with squads of trained animals from the surrounding woods.
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KOBUK Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:30 AM
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72. That's FUNNY !! *
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:06 PM
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22. They could find bodies in the cellar and it won't bring her down.
Repugs are immune to the justice system.
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antonialee839 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-13-08 11:27 PM
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33. I wonder where Todd found the
time to build a house, what with his First Stalker duties and all?
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:44 AM
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35. I'm sorry but that is the FUGLIEST
box of a half-million dollar house I have ever seen.

It looks like a triple-wide pre-fab only bigger. Perfect for gauche trailer trash with no taste like herself.

Wonder if she has red bordello wallpaper inside.
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Greg K Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:42 AM
Response to Reply #35
65. Yep - I could believe that Todd designed that, actually - it's hideous looking. nt
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:49 AM
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36. Not suprising
since she also used state funds/taxpayer money to sleep at home and to go to church.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:49 AM
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37. I don't think there's any doubt Sarah and Todd stole the materials for the house.
But can it be proved?

It will take a tabloid to find out.
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CampDem Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:13 AM
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38. Thanks for summarizing this
I agree with you that this mess will take her down. That house is a mansion by Alaskan standards 3500 square feet lakefront? Even here in Anchorage that house would be worth double that half a million price tag. I wonder what a place that size would run in California? I would like to know if they worked on it during the winter months. It can be kind of hard to dig the ground up when it is 20 below. This will be very interesting! I have seen small groups of friends pool together to build small houses/cabins, but a 3500 square foot house? I have been wondering why Wasilla got such shiny new stuff and Anchorage got denied when we have 300k population. Sarah was working some deals with her pals out there.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:23 AM
Response to Reply #38
52. It must be pretty interesting being in Alaska during this election...
As for the home being in California (say along Lake Tahoe), it would be upwards of $5 million for that size in that kind of space with view...
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:36 AM
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39. She used money from Wasilla sports complex and hockey rink
to build her house. Todd's "buddies" were construction workers who were contracted to build a sports complex and not her house?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:09 AM
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41. It's more likely - if there is funny business going on -
that the building of the house was a gift from the contracting firm awarded the giant contract for the sports facility. Sort of a Ted Stevens on steroids scenario. It will be interesting to see how this shakes out.
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Undercurrent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 03:59 AM
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40. Is sex involved in this house story?
The National Enquirer would dig into this if there were.

Seriously, I hope some intrepid reporters get to the bottom of this. Senator Stevens is on trial for having home improvements done for political favors. The Palins got a whole house!

The Palins are bad news. Lying, corrupt, power hungry pigs. I hope the people of Alaska bring them down hard.
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lizzieforkerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:16 AM
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64. Sarah Palin had SEX in a house that she didn't pay for!!
People will have to read to see if the sex was free or the house. How about that?
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:20 AM
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42. K & R!
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JustAnotherGen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:22 AM
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43. FWIW - I wish
But it's not going to happen. She for some reason, always seems to get a free pass. She could murder her own children and she'd get a free pass.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:22 AM
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44. K&R nt
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:25 AM
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45. Some related links and an observation... spenard provided materials and filed right to assert a lien
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 06:26 AM by Essene
This is a lot more explosive than the Jerry Springer-like TrooperGate:

"Spenard actually filed a notice 'of its right to assert a lien' on the deed for the Palin property after contracting for labor and materials for the site. Spenards name has popped up in the trial of Senator Stevensit worked on the house that is at the center of the VECO scandal as well."

http://mudflats.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/house-gate /

Also see the last page of:
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-10-08/news/the-book-of...

And:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/11/111018/34/...
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:25 AM
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46. This is going to get big, give it time.
It's very similar to Ted Stevens' scandal, only this is actually worse.

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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:16 AM
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49. A new investigation on Palin has started (hiring practices)
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:19 AM
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50. Oh it's even better - SPENARD WAS ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS ON TED STEVEN'S HOUSE /nt
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:53 AM
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58. Spenard Builders Supply - are they a contractor? Sounds like a supplier - not a contractor. (nt)
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:23 AM
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53. Palin House-Gate: the 3 primary facts EVERYBODY needs to appreciate



1. Todd Palin apparently told Alaska Magazine that he "designed" this $552,000 waterfront 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, 2-story wood house

2. Todd Palin told Fox that he built this himself with some "buddies"

3. From the Village Voice...

A list of subcontractors on the {sports complex} job... One was Spenard Builders Supply, the state's leading supplier of wood, floor, roof, and other "pre-engineered components."

When the Palins began building a new family home off Lake Lucille in 2002 Spenard supplied the materials, according to Antoine Bricks, who works in its Wasilla office.

Spenard actually filed a notice "of its right to assert a lien" on the deed for the Palin property after contracting for labor and materials for the site. Spenard's name has popped up in the trial of Senator Stevens it worked on the house that is at the center of the VECO scandal as well.


All the other stuff appears to be insinuation and circumstantial linkages, at this point. While this is an investigative journalist's dream gig, I suspect this story will remain a lot of insinuation until an authority steps in to investigate more completely... or at least until the Palins make a completely absurd statement that raises even more attention.

We know there was a major public construction project just down the road at the same time this happened, and that they is potential overlap between campaign funders and contractors for both construction sites.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:48 AM
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56. The question seems to be - is it unlikely they would have bought materials from Spenard?
The "states leading supplier" - I mean, who else would they have bought it from...???

Just because two projects both used the states leading supplier doesnt seem to say much to me...

As for the lein - I guess if I ran up a tab at business - they would want me to pay somehow! If anything, this shows there was no favor.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:05 AM
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61. does the lien represent a TAB or a favor?
there is no evidence that these supplies were paid for by the Palins, at this point.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:34 AM
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73. On this point I will agree with you
If Spenard supplied the building materials, and placed a lien, that would seem to point toward an outstanding bill for materials.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:43 AM
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77. whether a tab or a favor... it oughta be documented, right?
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:52 AM
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57. Was a loan taken out to build the house?
If not, then how did they pay for the materials and labor? Todd's statement that he and his buddies built it is already contradicted by Spenard. It is a cake walk for investigators to discover if their claims are true by checking their income and expenditures. This story may have legs. If they are involved in something shady they will regret the day that she ever accepted McCain's offer. As long as they remained in relative obscurity, they would never have come under such intense scrutiny.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:54 AM
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59. How is it contradicted by Spenard? (nt)
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:06 AM
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62. it's unclear, since SBS is represented mostly as a supplier
i havent found much detail about the ted stevens stuff, yet.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:38 AM
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91. Was Spenard paid or what? Why the lien?
He and a few of his buddies put this thing up? Construction labor costs would have amounted to nearly 40-50% of the home's value and these were just "donated" by some of his friends. The plumbing, including having to put in a septic system and well, heating and electrical would be $70-80 grand. Wells and septic systems are a special problem in that area due to the cold. Boy talk about sweat equity. The whole thing smells and it isn't due to working.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:50 AM
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92. we dont know
the lien claim may represent a bill per se or a genuine claim based on the "gift" of materials at that time.

we have no idea. and im not sure how that stuff even works.
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Essene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:07 AM
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63. it's unclear how it was financed, which is the driving force of the story
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:45 AM
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78. a title search of the property would answer alot of questions,
my take is that since Spenard Builders filed a notice of it's right to assert a lien, they may have provided the supplies in exchange for future payments. since it's real property the lien may be valid. a search for other liens of this nature may show other interesting things. namely, no first mortgage. if there's a list of liens filed by construction companies, building suppliers and the like and no mortgage, then there may be more questions forthcoming.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 12:06 AM
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89. Looks like bad feng shui
From what little I know about feng shui---the top photo shows bad feng shui in the design.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 08:31 AM
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55. Is there any definite connection between the two construction projects?
Other than the time overlap and proximity? TPM is calling this story "speculation," and that assessment seems correct, so far.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:04 AM
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60. The timing is very interesting and the contractors for both projects..
... in the same proximity is enough to at least poison the waters for the McCain/Palin campaign. Without more evidence and perhaps someone chirping in the immediate future, the story could get shelved until after the election, for which an investigation could bring the Palins down...

As long as the story is in the news, it adds more perception that Sarah and Todd have overstepped again.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 09:47 AM
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66. Very Interesting, thanks, zulchzulu
Can the press even imagine that a government employed contractor would do a little on-the-side bizz w/ a government official? Hard to say.... the press has hardly any imagination these days, as far as I can tell.

But if Palin et al are unlucky, the press just might have a few questions, eh?
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:03 AM
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67. No way did he and a couple of buddies build that house...
As a builder myself, that looks a lot like a four month project at least!
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:05 AM
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68. I built my own house - with buddies........
A couple of points....

I carefully considered the "basis" of the house - how much money I spent in building the house. I kept every receipt. I couldn't count how much I paid the "buddies" because that would have involved using them as employees and the withholding taxes considerations.

If labor and materials in the Palin's case were "gifts" they have to be declared as such and in these proportions - half a million dollars - that would involve declaring income of value in kind.

My accounting may be a little rusty. Maybe someone can help.

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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:23 AM
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69. "buddies" always build big houses for their "buddies"
kick! :rofl:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 10:42 AM
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76. "Sure, Todd, I'll help ya! I COULD get a job on that big Sports Complex, but heck, you're my BUD!"
Edited on Tue Oct-14-08 10:43 AM by WinkyDink
Riiiiiiight.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 11:11 AM
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82. Wouldnt the troubles that plagued the Complex job make her more of a villan than hero?
...to the contractor - why is it in his benefit to get involved in a politically screwed-up job?

Last thing you want is some drawn out, stop and go work schedule...
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 04:24 PM
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86. Yes, the sports complex troubles show her to be inept
What the Freepers like to say about Palin is that, unlike the three Senators running, she has "executive experience". The big stories about her executive experience are that, as mayor, she screwed up the biggest project of her administration, and that, as governor, she violated the state ethics law.

You ask why the contractor would want to get involved in the sports complex job. It's highly likely that the contractor had no idea of the problems. If the town government hires you to do some construction work, would you go do a title search to make sure the town owned the land where you were working? No, you'd assume that someone in town government was minimally competent.

If the town government were headed by Palin, your assumption of competence would be wrong, but the contractor back then hadn't yet seen the Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric interviews. :)
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notaboutus Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 02:39 PM
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85. Here is a link with more details
www.stopthinkvote.com/whatsnew/palinshouse.html Gives more info into Palin's connection with contractors.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:41 AM
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95. Too bad Taahhhd didn't have any landscaper buddies. Who puts pine trees
2 feet away from the house?
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