I never thought I'd say this here: Thank you, Peggy Noonan

[Fly by night]

Like many of us, I've just had my Sunday morning news shows fix (along with three cups of coffee). I must say, there's a TRUCKLOAD of good news for us this morning. What impressed me the most, and what I'll think about in the Garden this morning, was Peggy Noonan on MTP.

I must confess that, for most of her career, I have viewed Peggy Noonan as a sanctimonious and saccharin voice from the vanilla Right, a condescending apologist for greed in the guise of good from Reagan on down. But this morning, as our country teeters on the edge of so many cliffs (some of which we haven't witnessed for centuries), Peggy called out the soon-to-be-slathered anti-Obama character assassin campaign from McCain, and she forcefully and clearly denounced it outright.

I'm not here to pimp Noonan's new book, Patriotic Grace -- Tom B. and she did that well enough this morning on MTP. But I am here to endorse that meme, and Ms. Noonan's bed-rock view this morning of what's right and what's wrong -- what is in-bounds and what should forever be out-of-bounds -- at this moment in our country.

Thank you, Ms. Noonan, from this long-time, die-hard, bed-rock, back-woods, flat-broke, plum-tired, pissed-off and purely determined Democrat. For this Sunday morning, I agree with you and applaud your voice. On this morning in America, we need some grown-ups in the room. We do not need people recreating their childhood temper and impulsiveness or demonstrating not much more than a Barbie-consciousness of what the reins of our government look like. (Hint: they got more going on, don't cha' know, than the handle-bars of a snow-machine.)

That's my stab at beginning a thread for bipartisanship this morning. I do hope someone can link to that Peggy Noonan MTP footage soon. Today, we did witness a conservative, but country-first loving voice for civility, sanity and serenity. Welcome aboard, Ms. Noonan, that's what we should always be about here in our country. Real happy to hear it from you this morning.

Now it's time to go water the fall Garden a lot more this morning. Turnip greens; spinach; beets; carrots; two varieties each of radishes, onions, cabbage, Irish and sweet potatoes; sugar pumpkins and spaghetti squash; seven (really, seven) kinds of peppers; broccoli; basil; three types of mint ... the last of the tomatoes.

Been hauling water for a week and thankful I can do it.

One more thing: Go, 'Dores. (Vanderbilt, my Vanderbilt, is 5-0.)

Believe me, right now I know more than most that anything is possible.

Including saving our democracy.

What do all y'all think?

[RagAss]

1. What do I think?... I think you made my morning. Now it's on to NFL football !

[Fly by night]

2. Thanks kindly. And go Titans!!!! (4-0 and counting)

[baldguy]

3. Crazy Noonan has always been a voice for the parasitic conservative

Those that feed off the labor & capital of others. Unlike the neocons, she knows conservatives really don't create anything and can't make anything actually grow. She knows that parasites don't live very long without their hosts.

You're witnessing enlightened self interest.

[Fly by night]

8. You may be right. But a little enlightened self-interest beats ..

... the bumbling stumble to an eagerly awaited End Time that scares both we and she. Believe me, with the way our nation's life-boat is taking on water now, I'm happy for every one who is willing to help bail the bilge out of our body politic -- for whatever reason.

[truedelphi]

31. That's how I see it too. And she and all the other "Consultants"

Have gone to such great lengths to convince the candidates that they absolutely HAVE TO dumb down the discussions and pander to polls and be as white bread boring as the next guy.

She and Jon Stewart got into a bit of a tiff the other night, because Jon said that the American public is SO FED UP that right now it, yes, RIGHT NOW, it would be a good idea for that "meme of pandering" to go out the door. That We the People were YEARNING to be talked to like we were grown ups.

ANd Noonan dismissed that notion.

She has to. Her having a career is about the candidates HAVING to have consultants. The day that candidates can actually listen to the public is the day she goes and stands in the unemployment line.

[Pattib]

4. I think I need to check out Meet The Press. Thanks for sharing. I thought she

was O.K. on The Daily Show...maybe after her "off-air" truthism on MSNBC she decided she couldn't fake it anymore.

[DCBob]

5. Yes. I was amazed by that as well. It does appear that we have reached a tippng point..

where even the die-hard cons are giving up -- Krauthammer, Will, Noonan, etc.

[Fly by night]

14. You're right about George Will. I am also heartened by the trajectory of his comments recently ...

... because they are decidedly away from McLame.

BTW, it was clear, this Sunday morning, that EVERYONE thinks Sarah Palin is a joke. Something else we can all believe in. I hope we're on a roll.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. I thought it was self serving, but I thought she came across very well and very sympatheticly

Let's revue.

1. Noonan knows that MccCain is loosing and will probably lose the election.

2. If the Dems come into power and treat her like she treated them, she's in big trouble.

3. She tried to put more attention back on the war on terror and security. She knows Ayers is ancient history, but she raised the "terror in the streets" card.

[Paladin]

7. Lovely Post----But Don't Count On Noonan For Anything-----

....particularly for a sane, constructive outlook. As always, she's still looking for a Daddy figure to replace Saint Ronald. She'd be pathetic if she weren't still capable of political harm.....

[ginnyinWI]

9. Gardening season is all but over here in Wisconsin, but

my morning has gone otherwise just like yours. Coffee and MTP and FTN. Peggy was pretty good this morning. I think there are conservatives in the media who can see what's coming and can think of no reason to prop up the failing GOP establishment any longer. George Will is another one who isn't afraid to disagree with GOP conventional wisdom.

I hope the more intellectual and moderate elements of the Republican party do survive, live and prosper in the coming Democratic era. Because we need opposition. We need someone to call us when we go too far, or become to complacent. We also need to avoid becoming a stagnant, resistant-to-change dominant party like the Republican party was before it started to collapse. We need to hear voices of dissent and listen to them regularly.

[Fly by night]

12. Very well put, and I agree with you. We do need (at least) two viable parties.

I am not ashamed of voting for, even supporting, individual Repub candidates over the years. In both Tennessee and Wyoming, that was certainly possible, though less so in my Orange State over the years.

There are still honorable Republicans. They do need to stand up right now -- because this is indeed a tipping point.

[liam_laddie]

10. Early in her initial response...

I recall her praising Palin. Nauseating! She'still a tool.

[Fly by night]

16. But it was damning with faint praise: "Palin knows how to work camera, she's an infomercial."

That's what got my attention early on. It sounded to me like she was saying that Palin was all snow-bunny and no substance.

[still_one]

11. After the palin pick, noonan told the truth with her off the air mike comment

[malik flavors]

13. I've always had a soft spot for Noonan. She's a classy and intelligent individual.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. She's an anti-intellectual hack.

Imho.

[Overseas]

22. Me, too. And a Republican elitist to tne Nth degree.

Telling her charming anecdotes about the hearts of the little people.

She's definitely Country Club First. Yet she'd argue against that and tell a touching story about families around the kitchen table, up against the wall, who think about the soldier who was up against a cold rigid wall for five years but never gave up on America...

She used her writing skills to promote "morning in America" with Ronald Reagan the union buster, so spare me any fulsome praise for her not bashing Democrats and liberals this time.

She's hoping some liberals will buy her book.

[malik flavors]

23. anti-intellectual? She openly admits to being an intellectual east-coaster.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

28. She can admit to anything she wants.

Have you ever read her drivel?
Have you ever heard her drivel?

Her analysis is cemented in the make-believe. Her prose is Barbara Cartland redux.

[grasswire]

17. don't forget that Friday she was in the tank for Palin

Claiming that Palin had reinstated McCain's campaign by her sparkling performance yada yada yada.

So the honesty she allegedly showed on the Daily Show isn't a "new" Peggy. She's trying to sell a book to us.

[Marsala]

19. That column was actually ironic

It was subtle, but it was there. She doesn't think much of Palin.

[Fly by night]

20. Oh, I think a lot of them (including Brokaw) were hoping and harping on Friday that Palin ...

... had helped with her performance. None of them today (on any of the shows I watched) were maintaining that position. The polls have spoken pretty loudly.

Again, I am praising Noonan for calling-out and denigrating the racist, anti-intellectual and fascistic factions in her party (all with Rove-stink on them) who she warns us are about to start slinging the shit. She says she wants no part of it, and I am thankful for that this morning.

Do I think she's still a right-wing set of flapping gums? Sure. But one with more than a smidgen left of honor that should be respected.

[Fly by night]

18. I forgot to mention my 180 foot long gourd "caterpillar".

I have had way too much free time on my hands. This year, in order to recapture, reclaim and expand my four-decade old Garden, I built a very elaborate 180 foot long small and large decorative gourd elevated tunnel around the creek and the north side of the Garden. Ranging in height from seven to over eleven feet tall and about eight feet wide, with some tentacles climbing a tree on the other side of the creek -- twenty foot high and climbing -- and others expanding across two other raised beds in the quieting rest of the Garden, my caterpillar is still a sight to behold. Though, now, her multi-colored, -sized and -shaped eggs are hanging in full view.

For a mid-summer picture of my caterpillar, go to www.saveberniesfarm.com, go to "Diary" and click on the very last entry: "What a pot grower grows when he can't grow pot." You'll be amazed.

Now to go visit my sacred, living, providing place for another Sunday -- my Garden. Today, with a restful, happy and appreciative heart. A hopeful heart. A "yes we can" heart.

"When the world wearies and society ceases to satisfy, there is always the Garden." Minnie Aumonier

[Mz Pip]

21. That is an amazing garden

I hope you'll post a picture of it in full harvest spendor.

I am envious. I can't grow much of anything since the deer eat everything other than the citrus trees.

[Fly by night]

24. Go to this other DU thread for two pictures of my Garden

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3624105

This is the thread where I reported on my weekend in LA, and my night at the Playboy mansion, in support of med pot. The Garden pictures are at post # 58. Enjoy.

[Mz Pip]

26. Cute bunnies.

:-)

[renate]

25. does that mean that the McCain campaign lied

... about the "Famous Person" who said Palin kicked butt on Thursday?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/3/155145/046/127/619244

Or that Peggy Noonan lied about what she thought of the debate?

[rosesaylavee]

27. I think she is truly afraid of where McCain may take us.

I saw that too and thought I would have to reconsider my dislike of her. She kept saying we need to grow up (hear that RW wingnuts?) and not resort to personal partisan attacks with so much going wrong in our country. Sounded very much like one of us and not one of them.

Perhaps there is hope that those who were drinking the koolaid the last 8+ years are waking up to the fact that this is NOT about grabbing power for their side but about working out the problems facing our country as its viability is hanging in the balance here. This is NOT a sports event and that lives hang in the balance in how we choose to go forward.

[Fly by night]

29. I think that may be our final salvation -- when almost everyone (including Noonan) ...

... agrees that McLame/Palin represent a nihilist, end-times schizophrenia that no one with a toe in the reality-based world could risk.

Thanks, McLame, for scaring even your base as much as you scare us. The sooner we can send you out to start the engines on your 13 cars (so their batteries won't die, like your campaign did last week) and we can send Sarah Palin back to the last bar-stool in the Wasilla bowling alley (wink, wink, nudge, nudge), the better. Ya' betcha!!

[regnaD kciN]

30. So, Famous Person is showing a little bit of sense?

Big whoop. Peggy Loonan will be trolling for McCain/Palin again by midweek.

[Fly by night]

32. I hope you get a chance to see what Noonan said.

She was definitely calling McLame out for what will be his last-minute desperation strategy -- shoveling shit with every moving extremity.

The Wasilla Trollop has already started down that path. Maybe that's why they need to keep her in deep-red country -- the rest of us don't take kindly to that slime-fest when we have a country left to save.

[tblue37]

33. And yet Peggy, "Famous Person," Noonan allowed

herself to be quoted saying Palin "killed" in the debates and was a "star." Basically, Famous Person knows that Palin is a joke and would be a disaster for the coutnry, yet she keeps swallowing her truth and allowing the Rovian political machine to script lines for her.

When she believes the mic is off, she says what she really thinks, and apparently this once let it out when the mics were in her face, but she is still part of their whole lying operation.

As Grover Norquist admitted, bipartisanship the the Republicans is "date rape." We have to keep our guard up against them.