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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:29 AM
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Dred Scott. The correct answer, Sarah, is Dred Scott.
I think regardless of political affilition or philosophy, most every right thinking American who isn't a card-carrying member of the KKK can agree that the Dred Scott decision was a pretty bad decision by the Supreme Court. Any decision that upholds the idea that a human being can count as 3/5 of a person and that a human being can be considered the property of another human being is a pretty bad decision by the Supreme Court.

Seriously, the Dred Scott decision is the ultimate "safe" answer to give to the question about Supreme Court decisions with which you disagree. You aren't going to get much flack about that response. And yet, Ms. Moose Dressing Hockey Mom can't even give that easy answer.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:31 AM
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1. you're assuming Palin disagrees with the KKK
that's a fact not in evidence.
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:31 AM
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2. cause history ain't cool
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 08:32 AM by WannaJumpMyScooter
man... don't you know that?


oh, yeah... and she's hawt.... see?
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:33 AM
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Yeah, us flute-playing pageant types don't dig on history, daddy-o.
It don't take no book learning to get ahead if you're pretty! Just learn how to smile and wink at the right people and you can get whatever you want.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:17 AM
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16. Actually, I am a flute (and piano) playing former pageant
participant, who, in her day, turned a head or two. But I also studied Constitutional Law and Adult Education in college, and was able to name about 15 SCOTUS cases off the top of my head in about 1 minute when the topic came up earlier this week. I own my own business today, and (for now, anyway) am doing pretty well - though not nearly as well as I was when Dems were in control of the White House.

Please remember it's not about the stereotype, it's just the incredibly dumb shit that is Sarah Palin.
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:01 AM
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17. You are the exception that proves the rule.
And I'm sure you met plenty of 'pageant types' who embody the stereotype.

I have a neice that is just 3 years younger than me. She got into pageants in the 1st grade and did quite well all the way into her late teens when she finally decided she'd had enough.

Through my neice, I became quite acquainted with pageants and the people who gravitate to them, from the elementary school 'Little Miss...' pageants to state-level pageants.

There are people like you to be encountered, for sure. But the vast majority are Miss Teen South Carolina dopplegangers.

I wish our society would move beyond 'pageants' of any sort.
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MANative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:14 AM
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18. What's funny is that the profile depends on the type of pageant-
and there are several. The ones that are focused on scholarships - i.e. Junior Miss, Miss America - tend to attract a significant percentage of the brainier types. Many contestants were studying to be attorneys, physicians, vets, special ed teachers, etc. I'd call those more accurately "competitions" than pageants. There's a big difference between those and "beauty" pageants a la Miss USA and Miss Universe. I'll give you 2 guesses as to which ones I participated in, and the first one's a freebie. ;)
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:24 AM
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25. I don't need the first guess.
You wouldn't likely be posting on DU if you were in those air-heads on parade pageants.

...You'd be lining up for the next Sarah Palin campaign rally!
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:24 AM
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24. And why are there no pageants for boys and young men?
No "Little Mister..." pageants or "Mr. Teen South Carolina"?

It astounds me that, 4 decades after the women's movement, beauty pageants still exist. They seem so anachronistic to me.
(besides being barf-a-trocious :puke: ) I think of the song sung by protestors at the Miss America pageant in 1968:
"Ain't she sweet. Makin' profit off her meat. Beauty sells she's told, so she's out pluggin' it. Ain't she sweet. Ain't she quaint with her face all full of paint. After all how can she face reality? Ain't she quaint."
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LiberadorHugo Donating Member (557 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:42 AM
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11. I know...
History is for ignoramuses who believe that helping Muslim extremists drag Afghanistan back to the 15th century under the guise of fighting communism was a bad thing.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:32 AM
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3. True but..
.. Sarah Palin was afraid to actually name
the cases she actually disagrees with, particularly
Roe v. Wade.

She's too ignorant and poorly educated to be able
to cite cases that aren't related to her extremist
religious views.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:32 AM
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4. She also coulda said Exxon-Valdez
which directly affected Alaska and as GOVERNOR, her office actually issued a statement on it. This makes people think that not only is she unfit for the national stage, she's a fucking ignorant idiot when it comes to what should be her home turf of Alaska!

Cenk of Young Turks also commented about her lack of response to the newspaper question--why didn't she just state the local newspaper?!?!
People were trying to spin it like she was overthinking it and if she gave an answer she could look parochial or too conservative or too liberal or whatever. But it still doesn't excuse the fact that she didn't fucking answer the questions!

After eight years of having a President and Vice President who REFUSED to answer questions, I think this is an attribute we want to avoid in future administrations.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:20 AM
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20. EMINENT DOMAIN
That's another one
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:33 AM
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27. in that particular case, it may not have been ignorance
She probably just froze up and couldn't think of it quickly enough. I'm pretty sure she's familiar with that case, even if the decision came down in the middle of a busy day of exacting revenge upon her ex-brother-in-law.

Which is AWESOME for us because it shows that even when she HAS information rattling around in her brain, if she's under pressure she chokes. And if she thought Katie's interview was pressure, what could a live debate in front of tens of millions (or more), many of whom she knows are salivating for her blood, feel like?
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:07 AM
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29. Nah. Even if she couldn't remember it by name
she would still have been able to describe the case itself. I don't buy it.

I really believe that she's been letting her advisers and staff do ALL the real work of governor. Hell, she couldn't even handle the job of mayor of Wasilla and had to hire a city manager!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:33 AM
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5. Are you sure? I would think her kind wouldn't be too fond of Brown v. BOE. nt
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:34 AM
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6. Or Koramatsu, allowing the government to imprison wholesale its citizens
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 08:35 AM by no_hypocrisy
during wartime.

Or Buck v. Bell, allowing the government to involuntarily sterilize its citizens.

Oh wait a minute, she may like those decisions . . .
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:29 AM
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31. Another good one.
But if Sarah's anything like another conservative darling, Michelle Malkin, she might like Koramatsu.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:35 AM
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7. She would get kicked out of the repuke party if she ever mentioned Dred Scott.
They're still bitter that the south lost the civil war. :P
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:37 AM
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8. She probably would have left Dred Scott up to the states.
She would have been opposed to Brown v. Board of Education as well, because it overturned Plessy v. Ferguson. She buys into that whole "the civil war wasn't about slavery; it was about states rights" argument. (Never mind that it was about a state's right to own slaves.)

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that Palin is a closeted white supremacist.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:38 AM
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9. No, for Palin, the ultimate safe answer would have been to discuss
the Supreme Court interfering with the jury verdict in the Valdez litigation. She may have gone blank on the name and still could have answered the question "What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?"

She would have made one of the party points about how bad activist judges are. Biden didn't name a case, he discussed the case and his response was responsive, not goofy.

Couric: Are there Supreme Court decisions you disagree with?

Biden: You know, I'm the guy who wrote the Violence Against Women Act. And I said that every woman in America, if they are beaten and abused by a man, should be able to take that person to court - meaning you should be able to go to federal court and sue in federal court the man who abused you if you can prove that abuse. But they said, "No, that a woman, there's no federal jurisdiction." And I held, they acknowledged, I held about 1,000 hours of hearings proving that there's an effect in interstate commerce.

Women who are abused and beaten and beaten are women who are not able to be in the work force. And the Supreme Court said, "Well, there is an impact on commerce, but this is federalizing a private crime and we're not going to allow it." I think the Supreme Court was wrong about that decision.


She could have gone on about the Valdez decision that was handed down in the end of June this year, Exxon v. Baker. She could have answered the question and more importantly she should have answered the question by discussing the case that impacted her state, that came down while she was governing just a few months ago and the case that had been in litigation for 19 years. Instead she answered with jibberish.

Palin: Well, let's see. There's, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …

Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:40 AM
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10. Hasn't that been overturned?
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 08:40 AM by marshall
I thought the question was about what cases were bad because they should be decided by the states rather than the federal government (which is Palin's opinion about Roe v. Wade).

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 09:10 AM
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15. It was never overturned

The parts of it relating to slavery were rendered moot by the post civil war Constitutional amendments.

The part of it relating to state citizenship remain law.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:38 AM
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28. It was set aside by passage of the 14th Amendment
Edited on Thu Oct-02-08 10:45 AM by kenny blankenship
The tangled obscenity of Scott v. Sanford is a perfect illustration of why the old school federalism Palin has been taught to praise was unworkable and unjust. It was a monstrosity that ended inevitably in civil war.
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Nipper1959 Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:43 AM
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12. Bush v Gore
A decision could not be more wrong, and look at the damage done by that decision.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:23 AM
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22. Problem is that she didn't disagree with that.
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:45 AM
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13. Joe Sixpack never heard of Dred Scott
and I bet Sarah Sixpack never heard of it either.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 08:48 AM
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14. Anyone have book suggestions to detail some of the historical important
decisions of the Supreme Court?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:17 AM
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19. How do you expect her to connect with "Low information voters"?
if she knows something they don't, they won't relate to her anymore.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:21 AM
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21. To be more modern, I was thinking Plessy vs. Ferguson. nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:24 AM
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23. Dred Scott is also code to the pro-life crowd. She should have known that
W brought that up in one of the debates in 2004 and everyone, us included, laughed at how stupid it was. Turns out that most any literature from the pro-life crowd will contain a mention of Dred Scott. See, that ruling said that people WERE property and its over turning said that people are NOT property and they have extrapolated that out to fetuses.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 11:17 AM
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30. But not to women. Women are chattel. The incubators that hold the fetuses. nt
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 02:27 PM
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32. Right that is their point
the mother has no right to decide on the "Human" they are carrying. Regardless of how it happened or what is going to happen to it in childbirth (or her) or there after
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-02-08 10:26 AM
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26. but she did answer it...
that's probably just another one of those decisions that, had she ever heard of it, should have been "local." So, ummmm, affikin murkins could be 3/5s of a person in one state. And non-people in other states.
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