Isn't it curious how Couric unnerves Palin...

[Barack_America]

Palin didn't do well with Gibson...but she didn't crumble.

Palin and Hannity...well, no surprise there.

But with Couric, Palin totally collapsed.

Why?

Is it because Couric is such a hard-hitting journalist (lol) or is it something else? Perhaps because Couric, as a woman, doesn't fall for Palin's tendency "to become increasingly adorable" when faced with a difficult question? And perhaps it is because Palin realized that one of her key tactics, using sex appeal/cuteness to disarm the interviewer, was ineffective against Couric?

I think it's a bit of both.

The most recent interview was particularly interesting.

I noticed how steady Couric remained while Palin tried to get cute. Couric merely stood her ground (she would literally stop walking), look at Palin more intently and press her question even more forcefully. And Palin became completely flustered. Palin would break Couric's gaze and try to start walking (i.e. escape), but Couric didn't fall for it. In the end, Palin was left looking like a squirming fool.

This doesn't bode well for Palin in tomorrow's debate with Ifill moderating. And I think the Republicans realize this, hence the sudden desperate calls for Ifill to be replaced (it's not really about that book at all).

[gateley]

1. I gotta say, my view of Couric has done about a 180. I have been very

impressed by her 'take no bullshit answers' attitude.

[dbmk]

29. Is there any chance

..that all the democrats in the media (There is bound to be more than what there appear to be) have had to play along for a long while - but are now seeing Palin as their shot at/cover for getting even?

It seems to have opened the door on quite a few issues.

[trueblue2007]

60. her comment: I been hearing about Biden since I was in the second grade

Her lies and her screechy --- whiney voice get on my nerves. I can't stand hearing Palin talk. I'm glad Couric hasn't let Palin get away with any bs. Couric just keeps a-coming!!!

You go Katie!!

[WheelWalker]

88. I can't BELIEVE Couric's been able to keep a straight face, and....

give Palin more time to expand upon an absurdity. Katie's disciplined.

[Raksha]

90. My view of Couric hasn't done a 180--it's the same as it was.

I think of Katie Couric as the ultimate newsmodel, one of those women who has used her famous cuteness/sex appeal to get where she is now. But that's not gonna help Palin ONE LITTLE BIT! It makes it that much easier for Couric to see right through her in a nanosecond!

Kinda reminds me of what Henry Higglns said to Eliza Doolittle: "Don't play those games with me...I taught them to you!"

[Marie26]

92. Don't see her that way at all

And I don't se why it's a lol for Couric to be a "hard-hitting journalist." She was the brains on the Today show, while Matt Lauer played the "good-looking airhead" role. And she made a name doing "hard-hitting" interviews of many major political figures. From there she went to working at 60 Minutes & hosting the CBS Evening News. That's a quality resume for any reporter. If anything, Couric has fought against stereotypes & sexism that said that she was too sexy &/or perky to be taken seriously.

[goclark]

105. Katie i,pressed me with her style this time

She was excellent in my view.

[polichick]

2. Being adorable doesn't work for smart women - tomorrow perky Palin will get her ass handed to her.

[Barack_America]

7. Exactly.

And being a woman who has never used sex to succeed, I love watching Palin squirm.

[polichick]

Me too. Your op is very insightful - thanks!

[panAmerican]

86. Same here. She's an embarrassment to those of us who earn our chops.

[Marie26]

89. She's like the exact opposite of Hillary Clinton.

Say what you will about Hillary, she never flirted, simpered or charmed her way through a question. Because she knew all the facts cold & was able to synthesize them into her own opinions. She must be somewhat horrified by Palin.

[Indenturedebtor]

11. I know quite a few women who are infuriated by these sorts of tactics

Personally, as a man, I find it insulting when girls try that shit on me. Especially because I have a pretty big wedding ring. It's almost like they're calling my wife ugly and me stupid all at the same time.

Doesn't happen so much now but it happened alot when I was selling cars. "Oh sure I don't need to eat this month cause you giggled and flashed me cleavage." :eyes:

That shits for the minors Mooseburger!

[polichick]

16. Lol - I'm glad it doesn't work on you. Amazing how many guys fall for it!

[Indenturedebtor]

21. Theres a new idiot born every day... works on some girls too

But only if you're a guy with a smooth flow ;) Helps if the gal is older too hehehehehehehehe

[Barack_America]

18. It's because that tactic both assumes and requires female inferiority...

It's a bit complicated, but the bottom line is those tactics don't work when men and woman are considered equals.

So it's no surprise that women who do consider themselves as equals despise that crap.

[juno jones]

77. You nailed it.

Katie is far closer to being a feminist than Palin will ever be. She is not impressed. Who knows, matbe she knows about the rape kits...

[seabeyond]

27. calling my wife ugly and me stupid all at the same time.... yes dude

thank you. a thinkin man. i know there are many many men that are thinking men, look at obama, kerry, but we see so few of you cause the others are what we are given and skewing my view of males

but damn right

thank you for saying out loud

[seabeyond]

30. wrong place

[Indenturedebtor]

41. Stupid people make a lot of noise... I think that's part of the problem lol

Makes it seem like theres more of em! :hide:

[seabeyond]

49. i think so. i have literally had to work at finding a different perspective from male

since listening to some on this board. at first the loudmouths were convincing me that is all a male was, and thinking no, surely not, how sad. then i started talking to the men that stayed quiet, didnt play the game and was a relief. they just dont play.

but that is with so many things in this culture. the right for example. look how loud they jump up and down yelling, being stupid. or the extreme religious fundamentalist. such a small group. yet the masses of liberal christians quietly live....

i agree

[Indenturedebtor]

53. We have a lot of pressure to behave a certain way too... that doesn't help

We're brought up with certain behaviors and ideas constantly reinforced/punished. Some things are manly, some things are unmanly... I don't see much wrong with a little machismo but it often goes too far eh?

[seabeyond]

57. i so agree with you

i have two sons. one 13, so we deal with this often. geez.... we talk about it alll the time. lol lol. at least he talks to me. he is doing such a good job because we are able too. it is honoring the male and also having character, integrity, decency.... respect. both our young males and females are being conditioned in not a healthy way, that will not serve them well as they get older.

[Indenturedebtor]

61. I guess whether one way or another serves them well depends on the situation

Aggression, subjugation, subserviance, and other ugly tendencies have their advantages as well.

Not pushing for em haha but it is what it is no?

[woolldog]

54. It has to do with age

When you're young the hormones tend to overwhelm all logical thinking. It's powerful stuff.

Past 30, the big brain starts to take over again. ;)

[seabeyond]

58. that is what i told myself at first. BUT

there are a lot of older males on du that seem to not have met that hurtle into maturity, lol. again, i think it was cause they were loudest, but since i recognized i was not getting the full picture, i see for the most part you are right

another problem is i live in the very macho, manly man panhandle of texas. and i got to tell you, many of them have not grown in that maturity thing we talk, lol.

[Indenturedebtor]

94. Yes Chiquita say: "Fruit in freezer never ripen" n/t

[seabeyond]

97. ah hahaha, that is funny. hm. n/t

[FatDave]

68. Bertrand Russel once said:

"The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

I couldn't agree more.

[seabeyond]

83. that is very good

i really like that.

[Indenturedebtor]

96. That's one of those quotes that sticks with you for days. One of my favorites! n/t

[seabeyond]

98. i havent heard it. i like it. my boys will. again

being in amarillo texas, kids are having issue with closed mind. they will be able to appreciate

[Indenturedebtor]

103. I think I read it on DU... go figure :D nt

[seabeyond]

74. today

hubby came home for lunch. i had him read your post. he laughed. he said MOST men dont like this. and then gave me a few example over the years of women who behaved like this and how the men would roll their eyes. i had forgotten about it.

fun....

[chookie]

55. Biden MUST strike the knock out blow Thursday

I am hoping this strange imaginary creature will vanish like the Wicked Witch of the West when Dorothy threw water on her. Biden MUST deliver the coup de grace tomorrow, because if she survives, the outcome of the election will be in the hands of the Wacko Factor and the hackers who will tamper with the electronic voting machines, and that is a disturbing prospect.

I was dismayed by Obama's choice of Biden as VP for a variety of reasons, but if he pulls this off tomorrow, we'll be BFF.

He'll be in treacherous waters. Even though she is dumber than Reagan, it is said she has his talent for the pithy comeback line, which plays very well with the D*** F***s, and which are sure to get continual airplay, and to be lauded by the MSM, just as they promoted His Chimperial Majesty, for not being as idiotic as they expected.

Joe, Joe -- we're counting on you. This is your hour.

[polichick]

67. I hope he very cleverly makes her ignorance obvious to everyone who thinks!

[Trajan]

3. A wise insight ....

Palin's weaknesses have no place to hide .... The sexy snow bunny thing doesnt fly with women ...

[CoffeeCat]

24. You know who it does fly with though...

Some of the religious nut jobs who think that women need to "submit" to men,
and defer to men as the "leaders" of their family.

Many, many religious women love Sarah Palin, because she validates their hollow,
sick existence.

Palin is the pretty face of female capitulation. She makes it fashionable to be
an adorable idiot.

(Note--there are plenty of religious women who don't buy into this nonsense. I know
plenty of intelligent, amazing religious and spiritual women. Only the nimrods
buy into what Palin is selling).

[ejpoeta]

39. i've been to a church that was like that. i don't think so!

and then when i was in MOPS (Mothers of Preschoolers), which is more religious than i was led to believe when I joined there were women who were like that. and they kept talking about how women have to listen to their husbands blah blah blah. um... no. i just ignored it, though it annoyed me. i ended up leaving that group, because i felt dirty.... like i was being a hypocrite.

my daughter has expressed interest in learning about and going to church. i feel like interviewing the pastor before i take her there to make sure that none of that crap about women being inferior or subservient to men ever gets brainwashed into her head. i tell her all the time that she can do and be anything she wants as long as she works for it.... and that no one is better than she is, and she is better than no one else either. i want her growing up to be a confident and independent woman who knows that she does not have to bow to anyone!

[CoffeeCat]

42. Is MOPS....

...a Christian-based organization or do they have any religious affiliation?

I'm familiar with MOPS. I never joined, but I just thought they were a typical
"moms" group.

Interesting...

[intheflow]

51. No, MOPS is not a Christian organization.

There's a MOPS chapter at my local Unitarian Universalist church. The MOPS web site does not specify any religious requirements, but I do think the MOPS movement and most MOPS meetings are organized through churches.

http://www.mops.org/page.php?pageid=71&srctype=menu&PHPSESSID=a6624b21a7bb71b94cc53bdb8fc9e55c

[ejpoeta]

63. they are religious based, though they played it down

maybe not all of them are like this, but the one i went to was. It was great though, otherwise. It's meant to give mom's a break and we did things like scrapbooking, crafts and such. had a great spa day. but there were speakers and discussions and it ended up religious stuff. when ashley was a baby and i nursed her, i was usually in the other room when they were doing that stuff. the last straw for me was when I volunteered for the steering team and they said i would have to sign a statement that i accept jesus christ as my lord and savior so that they know we're all on the same page and that I would be dependable to show up. i volunteered upstairs with the kids for a year and i didn't need to sign anything to prove i would show up, and i always showed up. that was it for me. The idea that you could sign something to prove that you believe in jesus is ridiculous to me. but i miss it sometimes. there were some nice women there.

[medicswife]

82. Ohhh, I've been invited to MOPS too...and just got the feeling that

it was probably a very fundie sort of gathering bathed in the allure of giving frazzled Mom's like me a break. *shudder* I have enough to deal with as I'm a recovering Traditional Catholic....Marian Standards of Modesty shoved down my throat from the time I was a 3 year old and prepped and groomed to be a brood mare. No thank you.

[justiceischeap]

4. Keep this in mind about Couric

Think what you will about Couric's journalistic skills but she's always considered herself to be and wanted to be a "serious" journalist. What often held back her career early on? Being told she was too cute to be a serious journalist. She's been able to use her "cute" factor to disarm some politicians and ask some zingers they weren't expecting. So Palin has a long way to go before she can outfox Couric with cuteness.

[godai]

5. I noticed it with the newspapers question.

Palin wouldn't name even one newspaper that she reads and tried to literally move on (by walking) but Couric just stayed put and waited for an answer. Palin plays a kind of flirting card, thinking if people find her adorable, she'll be a success. This apparently has worked up to now.

Saw my first McCain/Palin bumper sticker on a mini-van today. The van also had one of those religious fish symbols on it. No surprise, I guess.

[Zuiderelle]

6. I'm very impressed with Couric. And I think you're right.

Women who use flirtatiousness the way that Palin obviously does to get ahead or get their way, are simply not as effective when trying to use it with other women. These are the types of women who have mainly male friends, and often undermine and criticize other women, to build themselves up.

Couric managed to expose the "real" Palin, who still couldn't resist trying to be cute and "adorable" because those are her only tools in such a situation. Her only other effective attribute is the pit-bull viciousness she seems so proud of, and that definitely doesn't play well in interviews.

I am very pleased that Ifill is moderating the debate.

[Barack_America]

Wow. You understand this better than I do.

Excellent analysis.

And don't you hate those bitches? ;)

[CoffeeCat]

43. You describe the Palin niche...

...very well.

I had to deal with many of these types in the corporate world. You're right. Most of their friends
are mainly male. They don't get along with females because they are not authentic. They are often
good looking and charming--and they use these traits to gain power, and to use that power against
other women.

I used to work in a real cut-throat business--and I had two of these Palin types show up in my
department. I trained them. They were underhanded and extremely neurotic.

One of them ended up stealing my work at times. I handled it by doing my job and saying nothing.
Eventually, they burned themselves out--trying to destroy others. These people wither when others
around them are strong. They rely on others shrinking or losing control--so they can bat their
eyelashes and say, "What's wrong with her? I don't know what she's talking about."

Unfortunately, an inordinate number of these Palin types rise through the ranks. They do it by
a combination of sleeping around and tearing others apart, usually women.

They're an insidious breed.

[calimary]

52. I had to put up with one of those little twinkies in my newsroom once.

She worked her cutesy ways on the program director who was obviously into prick-teasers. You could tell every time this little girl sat down in front of him - in the way she'd cross her legs (in a skirt). OUCH. I should have given him a bib as I left.

And my solution was to leave. She was younger and cute and blonde and somewhat street smart - a real self-described barracuda type and she came gunning for me. Her schtick didn't work on me. Unfortunately, I worked for men who thought she was just swell. My only recourse, and often, unfortunately, that's how it is, was to get out of range. I found another gig as quickly as I could, and left. She didn't last long, as it turned out, but yeah - for awhile she did end up with my job (after emphatically denying that was her motive - well, at least denying it to my face. I heard PLENTY from other coworkers about her schtick whenever my back was turned).

She was a piece of work.

I'll never forget the experience of being hauled into the general manager's office after an extensive email I'd written about this little cookie that I'd CC'ed to programming and personnel - about her flagrant insubordination and violating chain-of-command. The GM called me in to "speak to me" about it. He had a young blonde cutie second wife, so I immediately knew where he was coming from. I remember him asking me "don't you think this young woman has (pause) talent?"

I didn't say this out loud, but my thought was "sitting or reclining?"

[CoffeeCat]

62. LOl!

"Sitting or reclining." :rofl: Oh, if only we could say what we truly wanted, in those moments!

My "twinkie" would wear really short skirts. She was the biggest fake and she purposely acted weak, flirty
and overly impressed by the men in the office--who enjoyed her schtick.

I worked in PR--the "other" side of the newsroom! My twinkie heard me on the phone with Investor's Business
Daily, setting up an interview for our CEO. I walked into the CEO's office to confirm the interview time, and
Twinkie was in his office, telling him about the interview--and passing it off as something that she had
set up and landed.

Isn't that just amazing?

Still laughing at "sitting or reclining." That's really funny! :)

[calimary]

65. Thanks. She was a real piece of work.

Went around the newsroom trying to stir up the staff against me. Some of 'em went along with it, sensing that she was gaining in clout and I was losing - which is why my main priority was getting the hell OUT of there. I could tell that if I stayed, I would have been fired - she had really done a number on the bullshitter PD we had there - who did have the hots for her. So I put ALL my energy into landing another gig. It was REALLY awful. BTW - one little satisfaction moment: they made her "Acting News Director," and never gave her anything more. I KNOW she resented that - she wasn't expecting to be "Interim Anything." So she got my job with all the work, but without the clear title. Gee, girlie, maybe you didn't put out ENOUGH...

I remember when she came aboard. We were introduced. I was the news director on the FM. My AM counterpart, also female, hired her in (gee, THANKS, pal!). I remember it as clear as day. When we met, she was sitting there, and she smiled at me with her head up-tilted and her chin out - kind of an aggressive, in-yer-face position - and I remember this thought popping up in the back of my mind "uh-oh. Here's trouble." At that time I had no idea why, it was just instinctive. I later found out, of course.

And it was fascinating to watch her body language as she worked people. She met me with this super-assertive, aggressive, somewhat cocky stance with her chin sticking out. When she was NOT comfortable or NOT in her "zone," she'd do this Lady Di thing with her chin tucked in and her head tilted downward and her eyes really big and looking up at you from underneath her bangs - copping this cute little "demure" persona. I saw it over and over and over in observing her interaction with people, and the difference between the way she interacted with men in higher positions, the way she manipulated men in comparable and subordinate positions (like the young reporter kid who was slobberingly in love with her from the get-go and the first to turn on me) and the way she interacted with women. Really extraordinary. Woulda been a lot more fun watching from a safe distance, rather than having to be in the thick of it. Made my job frickin' MISERABLE. Dear GOD I was glad to get out of there!

What a - sorry to say it - cunt. My husband STILL remembers the time she snapped at him in public. We were at a regional conference and it was time for the closing banquet. He'd come with me because the conference was held near home. The whole staff was able to show up. So we're at table waiting for the meal to be served. The food comes. She starts smoking a cigarette. My husband, who'd recently quit, asked her very politely if she could please put out her cigarette because we had just been served our entrees. She turned to him with a curled lip and said "I just lit this up." I remember the hospitality suite our station had at this event. She went up there to change for dinner, as most of us did - if we weren't just hanging out there between panel discussions. She had that reporter kid who was gaga over her busily scraping the bottoms of her new stilettos against the rough stucco walls outside on the balcony while she primped inside. AMAZING.

He was the City Hall reporter. It was customary when a new reporter came aboard that the new person would ride around with the veteran to get a lay of the land and a sense of what he/she would soon be doing. Ordinarily, it was ONE TIME you got, to do this ride-around, before it was time for you to fly solo. This little cookie needed four or five times of this before she felt up to it, all the while protesting that she "learned quickly." Based on what I saw - I'd say a big ol' 10-4 to that one. :sarcasm:

She used to go on the air mangling words, even though she did have quite a good voice. It's what she did with that voice that was nauseating. She used to punch the long "u" sound so it would sound more like "you-wuh". So one day I heard her say "accuwizzations." I think she meant to say "accusations." So then some of us started joking about the new verb she'd just invented - the infinitive of which would be "to accuwizz."

She moved on - to Portland and then to New York where friends of mine in that newsroom had stories galore of her. She got married to some young lawyer and I don't know what happened to her after that. I'm just glad she stopped being my problem. LORD that was a miserable time - especially having NO recourse. The PD was infatuated, as I suspect the GM was, also. She was certainly his type, judging from the trophy wife he had. And I could tell that the little bimbette knew this instinctively. MISERABLE time in my career. They weren't interested in anything I had to say because they were already in the tank for her.

It happened around the same time that Jane Pauley got shoved aside on the "Today" show for Deborah Norville - who was widely described as being younger and blonder. The expression "you've been Norvilled" came about because of that. Basically I was "Norvilled" by this little blondie, although she never had the satisfaction of seeing me fired. I got rescued by another station in town and happily LEFT. I made sure I jumped before anybody could push me. Never was so happy to walk away from a job in my life. And in its day, it had been a GREAT job. By the time I'd left, with the new management and changes and consolidation (where most of the AM staff including my news director counterpart got fired and we FM staffers had to shoulder double the responsibilities and the workload for the AM AND the FM - with no corresponding increase in pay, mind you), it actually was a pleasure to leave.

Sheesh - what a glum moment.

[CoffeeCat]

70. Wow, I read every word of your post...

...and I totally understand what you endured.

My twinkie wasn't as bold as yours. Mine was only 21. She began at our company as an intern, and they
hired her full time after she graduated. She was more demure and she played the whole helpless, 'wounded-duck'
routine. She would actually talk like a baby sometimes. Dear God, I think I'm having a flashback.

Many men in powerful positions loved that stuff.

I was pretty fortunate, because there were some powerful, incredible men around me--who understood what her game
was. And they hated her. They were bored by her. Another woman in my department was like you. We would laugh
about her short skirt and her extended meetings with our psychopath boss. That was the real problem--Twinkie kow
towed to our insecure, dysfunctional boss, while the rest of us did did our jobs. Twinkie was rewarded for that
kow towing. Our boss leveraged her and played down our successes. What a schmuck he was.

I've Googled Twinkie, wondering what in the world became of her. She, bounced around to 3-4 different jobs and
now she's "off the grid."

Who knows...maybe she's a hooker now. LOL! Sorry, but you'd know she deserved it.

[calimary]

71. She better not work the same side of the street that MY Twinkie claims.

Amazing. At least you had some men who weren't swayed. My Twinkie led 'em around by their dicks. And the worst part was that, with all the firings and layoffs and staff shufflings as she was "coming into her own" at our station, I started taking on an aura of dead meat. People were fully expecting the little girl to have my head on a pike soon. Most everybody knew I was on the way out, either because they saw she was coming on strong and was the new favored child, and I had made no secret of my displeasure and my wishing to be able to leave. And I had next to NO allies by then - at least among those who were in any position of authority. They all gravitated toward whoever was "in" - not surprising when there's upheaval in the office. NOBODY'S gonna stick up for the soon-to-be-dead guy, 'cause it might be contagious, y'know. Those who did support me kept their eyes lowered and their voices down, so as not to be heard in public - taking the wrong side - ie: mine. They'd tell me in private they thought I was getting the shaft and how screwed it was and how they didn't trust her, but that was as far as it went.

All the more reason I couldn't WAIT to get out.

The REALLY funny thing was - this word got out to some people at the next big fulltime job I landed a few months later. Some of them knew of the strife at that station and sympathized with me. So then the Gulf War happened and one of my colleagues in the local bureau who handled the CalWest Regional news feeds every day got reassigned to Riyadh for the duration. I was reassigned to cover half his job and half mine, so I had to handle the news feeds. I went all out and tried to make sure we had plenty of stringers getting airtime - hey you got paid a coupla bucks per story but more importantly you got name recognition on the AP wire and radio network. Cutesy-poo was still at the old station. Evidently she liked the regional news feed a lot as it was "evolving," and wrote to the AP brass with all these effusive compliments, wondering what had changed about the regionals and gushing about how they were "chock full" of voicers, wraps, and soundbites, and thanking them profusely for all the new wealth of stuff. The assistant managing editor for news brought her letter out with him when he visited shortly after that, and he showed me. He said he thought I'd find it pretty funny, knowing who'd written it, and knowing the background. He also showed me a copy of the response he sent her - saying that it might surprise her to know that the person responsible for all this stuff she loved was - guess who! And the next time I saw her at one of those big news seminars, she reacted to me with her Princess Di schtick with her face tilted downward and her big blue eyes and batting eyelashes batting up at me from under her long blonde bangs and this sweet little innocent kewpie-doll smile.

Yeah, sure, babycakes. Copping that submissive stance with me now and thinkin' you'll melt me, 'eh?

GOD I'm glad that's over!!! That was one of the most miserable times of my career. Funny - MOST of the really bad times I've had with colleagues in the newsroom - whichever newsroom it happened to be - came mainly from other women. You'd think there'd be a sisterhood. Think again.

[TankLV]

81. but tell us...

were you ever "miserable"?

did you "like" her at all?

I don't think we get how you truly feel about her...

I think we got it the FIRST ten times you mentioned it!!!

Sorry to hear about it - I know how it must still upset you greatly...

And I know exactly what you are talking about - but with completely DIFFERENT results for me.

A secretary here at my firm tried that on me, eventually realized I was gay - duh - and then tried to get realy "bitchy" with me and cause all sorts of problems.

I saved every email from then on, and made requests for work via email so she could no longer claim "he never told me..."

and stood my ground...

she's now the "sweetest person in the world" to me now...yeah right...but SHE knows the I know ALL about her and her tatics...

and my the principal in charge of our group knows, too...along with HR...

It's kinda like our dogs and cat - the dogs have an "understanding" with the cat, and visa versa...and they all "get along"...

[yourguide]

8. That's exactly what it is...

Palin can't flirt her way out of tough questions with other women...

[PCIntern]

9. Good point K & R

I posted a corollary:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7265209

[spanone]

10. wait till a black woman starts questioning her

[Kind of Blue]

38. And hence, the GOP push to remove Gwen Ifil because she's

writing a book about AA politicians.

[Barack_America]

40. More so because she's a woman.

The book about African Americans is just cover.

They know that when Palin can't flirt, she falters. And it scares them shitless.

[Kind of Blue]

50. I think it's equally both. The NAACP, black community

organizers, ministers, as well as the African American Historical Society of Alaska, Inc., in meeting with Palin, came away very disappointed, saying Palin made it quite clear that "she doesn’t have to hire any blacks and was not intending to hire any." The book, to me, is just a way of killing 2 birds with stone.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7045307

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=40916428d4942bf6e6d647cbdf31e908

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. Black

yes, the GOP will try anything

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. see

[seabeyond]

100. i dont think so. it isnt the same. palin will feed off the audience and try biden

ifil will be in the background for her and she wont be talking to her at all. she will be dismissed. but palin will be playin the audience....

maybe i am wrong. i hope so

[Thrill]

12. Couric did follow up questions. Palin can't take that

[izquierdista]

13. Maybe it was the video of her colon

I don't think I could sit across from her and not think about all the TV footage of the sigmoidoscope up her colon. Her face would pale away and all I would see is lumen and bowel wall.

[CoffeeCat]

14. I agree that the juxtaposition....

...of serious, intelligent Ifill will be stark--up against Palin, who will be playing the part of the adorable, folksy
hayseed who just wants to be irascible, as she mocks Obama and Biden. LOVE ME, AMERICA!

LOL!

Ifill's professionalism and seriousness will underscore and magnify Palin's total lack of substance.

The "Convention" Sarah will show up at the debate. She'll be loaded with one liners, insults and passive-aggressive
mockery for Joe Biden. And she'll deliver it all with a sweet, sweet idiotic smile.

I think people forget what a brazen, barb-slinging jerk she was at the convention. She insulted everything
about Obama. Remember her "community organizer" remark? She has no shame. She's happy to be the political
whore of the neocons--shilling their dirty ideas, with a smile plastered on her face and an extra, fun load of
charm--just to make the lies and insults more adorable! :bounce:

[mscuedawg]

15. Powerful women must frighten her...eom

[BeyondGeography]

17. Great observation

K&R

[mtnester]

19. Because she could not flirt with Katie

Do not give Couric that much credit...Palin could not hand her the " I am a cute sexy woman" body language or touch her leg or giggle too much....that crap does not work on women.

[Arrowhead2k1]

20. I hope Biden has ten times the effect.

:evilgrin:

[11 Bravo]

22. Katie was a cheerleader - she sees through Caribou Barbie's perky bullshit.

[Barack_America]

25. That's a great point. Couric has actually been fighting an image of a rank-climbing flirt...

...for much of her career.

I've no doubt that Couric has a bit of this in her too and realizes how much this has damaged her desire to be taken seriously. So I could see why Couric would be even LESS likely to let Palin use this tactic on her. She couldn't risk the interview having a sorority feel.

[CoffeeCat]

64. You can't kid a kidder....

Seriously.

Women who were like this when they were younger--and grew up--understand exactly where Palin
is coming from.

There's not a woman in the country who hasn't dealt with a vacuous perkster manipulator like Palin.
They're everywhere--on the PTA, in mom's groups, at work--and even in politics!

Katie isn't intimidated by her perk, or her snark, or her pretty face--and I think that left Palin
a little out of sorts.

That's exactly it.

[WatchWhatISay]

23. Excellent analysis

This is why I do believe that she will fail miserably tomorrow night, though I couldn't put my finger on just why, until I read this.

[Barack_America]

26. Be sure to read the other posts...

Other posters have provided much better analysis than I did, and I've really enjoyed their responses.

[blogslut]

28. I think it's because Couric's a woman

I love you fellas but you're often clueless when it comes to the subtle ways woman display hostility to each other. Katie wasn't buying Mrs. Lady Governor's bullshit and she let her know it. All that batting of eyes and smiling through gritted teeth - H.O.S.T.I.L.E.

[Barack_America]

32. Your post made me lol.

Loudly.

Couric was hostile. What stood out to me was the way Couric would cock her head just before going in for the kill. Men might have read that as cutesy, but those where total "bitch, please" moments.

:rofl:

[jmrobins00]

37. And the rapid blinking...

when McCain sat in on part of their interview. I know that look--it's rage :)

[mamalone]

45. Oh yeah!

You got it there.

[woolldog]

69. I think Couric was thinking that she'd make a better VP

than Palin.

I have to hand it to Couric for not cracking under the pressure and keeping a poker face while Palin was giving those ridiculous answers.

[ailsagirl]

80. She sure did keep a serious demeanor while waiting for falin's

responses. She clearly had the upper hand and didn't flinch once. Go Katie!!

[kenny blankenship]

73. I agree, I still haven't watched the whole thing

but what I saw and heard made me think this is one of the most hostile interviews I've ever seen.
Couric looked ready to skin that moose seated across from her alive.

[Forkboy]

75. Well, I can't be too clueless then, because even I picked up on that.

I thought it was as obvious as getting hit upside the head by a planet. :)

[PVnRT]

84. Same here

+1 to Couric for not exploding and screaming, "MY GOD YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID TWIT!!!! AND PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT ME???"

[seabeyond]

99. ARE FUCKING STUPID TWIT!!!! .... i hear ya. i do. lol. n/t

[Marie26]

79. Oh yeah

She totally unnerved Palin.

[seabeyond]

31. kristi, i have been saying this for a while. that is what is so offensive to so many women

across the nation. what woman allows this type of woman to act like this with us. we dont. we slap them down fast. not gonna use your brain, go away. useless to me. and she does damage to all us women behaving this way. she reinforces women as inferior. an insult to all of us

watching the first interview with couric, i told hubby, one woman you see vapidness in eyes, another you see intelligence. so clear. so visible. that alone tells the story

[Jennicut]

33. Remember Katie was always seen as perky cute reporter back in the day

Palin is intimidated because she can't use her own perkiniess against someone who already knows how to use it herself. Katie did a great job and didn't fall for the b.s. Palin wanted to give.

[Froward69]

34. Curic Is a Damn Good Journalist

I agree totally.

Catie happening to be a Woman, allowed for a disarming of palin. Plain and simple. Remove Sexual tension and palin falls flat.

[GalleryGod]

35. Gwen will be bend-over backwards fair, but, it's 90 damn minutes folks

Trust the clock.
When All else fails, trust, the clock.




Here's hoping Sarah Pole Dancer gives Tina Fey cenough material for 5 sketches!
:rofl: :spray: :rofl:

[seabeyond]

36. Trust the clock..... that is what i say. geez, she will be exhaust 30-40 minutes

in playing the "role"

[JitterbugPerfume]

44. I have a new-found respect for Couric

and I NEVER thought I would say that!

[Waiting For Everyman]

48. The "pull Ifil" gambit is the same as the McC "cancel the debate" ploy.

Neither one of them have got the goods, they can't cut it. Palin can't hide for 90 minutes and they know it.

[TexasObserver]

56. Katie Couric turned her career around with that interview.

It was her persistence that paid off.

[medicswife]

59. I completely agree with this analysis. I too thought that when it was

Couric, one on one with Palin, she was at a loss as to how to "charm" her way out of the questions. When she had McCain sitting beside her, she once again became more coy. She had someone with whom she could try to flirt. I seriously wonder if she won't try to flirt with Joe.....

Probably not, but if she does...I won't be too terribly surprised.

[Barack_America]

104. Good point.

And, oh God, I hope she doesn't try to flirt with Joe.

:puke:

I seriously would puke.

[noiretextatique]

66. it's because she's a smart woman

who is not impressed by palin's supposed beauty and charm :thumbsup:

[kiranon]

72. If replaced, have Katie Couric as the replacement. End of story,

[vanbean]

76. I think that she is more nervous because Katie is a women

and therefore when she screws up the McCain camp can't call out Couric or any other female reporter/moderator sexist. With Gibson she had a safety net, same with Hannity but not with Couric.

[Marie26]

78. Couric is a good interviewer

She made her name doing really hard-hitting interviews on the Today show. People would be caught flat because they'd be expecting some perky morning chat-type question & get a 60-minutes-type question instead. Couric just gave Palin enough rope. When people are nervous or anxious, they'll tend to start babbling to fill up the silence & that's just what Palin did. Couric didn't bail her out or move to another question, but just stood there - silent & judging. Biden should just ask Palin an open-ended question about foreign policy, stand there w/a skeptical look on his face & watch the show unfold.

[Disturbed]

85. "I been hearing about Biden since I was in the second grade."

Of course that is a lie. Sen. Biden was not in the Senate when she was in the 2nd grade. Even if he had been would a 2nd grader know about any of his speeches? I doubt that she had ever heard of Sen. Biden until he became VP nominee. That joke was absurd. Her answer about that was also stupid. She is a shallow, ignorant, corrupt,viscious person unfit to be a Gov., much less a possible Pres. of the USA. That thought horrifies me.

[Barack_America]

102. Why she chose to say that when she has a living fossil for a running mate, is beyond me.

Not smart and not funny.

[WheelWalker]

87. Wrong 10-20

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

91. I've got a simpler reason.

Palin was unnerved because she's just smart enough to realize the whole campaign, and her career, and the republican party, is riding on her.

[Kind of Blue]

101. Wow. Great analysis: simple, to the point, and explains so much.

[barack the house]

93. You do have to admire Katie for her work lately. Her best of her career.

[TheDonkey]

95. I think Couric asked really good questions. I don't like her but I give her props

She asked questions that were important but likely that Palin wouldn't have the same canned lines about. But I do think her confidence was really down because of the male/female dynamic.

[krkaufman]

106. Very interesting perspective. That *could* be having an effect ...

... though I still think it's largely due to her being uninformed, lacking in confidence, and unable to ponder complex issues.