New CNN Poll: Voters think Biden and Palin are equal debaters

[senseandsensibility]

No link. I just saw it on CNN. Bill Schneider said that viewers don't know Biden at all, and they actually think Palin will do just as well as Biden in the debate. It went by fast, but the numbers were something like Biden 48, Palin 46.

So she isn't entering into the debate with low expectations. Apparently.

[orestes]

1. That's bad news for her

Biden's gonna field dress her on national TV like she were a moose

[Lex]

2. Oh, that's good news for us!

[tblue]

7. Absolutely! Raise those expectations.

[Fluffdaddy]

52. Great

[deadparrot]

3. As fucking ridiculous as that is,

if that's a fairly accurate representation of the undecided voter watching Thursday, this might be fun.

[Faygo Kid]

4. Cool. Wait until she rambles and drools.

That's great news. Thanks.

[mdavies013]

5. The greater the expectations the better...if her interviews are any indications...she is toast.

[Ian David]

Oh, this is gonna be GOOD.

They had a talking head on MSNBC saying that the strategy for Palin will have to be that they give he 3-4 really good all-purpose talking points to just keep falling back on, rather than try and make her suddenly smart.

[Raschel]

80. Suddenly smart! Ha ha the Suddenly Smart Sarah Doll

This is just too much. Am I in a parallel universe now?

[City Lights]

6. Sweeet.

:evilgrin:

Keep those expectations high!

[Jennicut]

8. Good. That way if she screws up the expectations are high enough that they will call her on it

I don't want the expectations to be low for her because then all she has to do is stand there and make coherent sentences. We all know Joe well here but for many people they don't really know him so they don't realize his level of expertise vs. hers and that is good for us as well.

[Flying Dream Blues]

48. But she wasn't even making coherent sentences in the Couric interview...nt

[stuntcat]

9. this says a lot about CNN viewers

look at those votes.. this is why I'm scared of most people.

[Wetzelbill]

17. It almost makes me not want to leave my house anymore

[RagAss]

10. It's really time to start thinking about leaving this country.

[1corona4u]

22. I agree....

stupid fucking people. But this is good, the bar is high.

[nyc 4 Biden]

42. Never leave it!

This is our country not theirs!

[MarjorieG]

11. My concern that her tsyle will outweigh substance, esp if media holds back.

[Irishman26]

21. I worry about this too...

Biden is far more knowledgeable, experienced and eloquent than Palin could ever hope to be. But at the end of the day, if she gets 1 or 2 sound bytes or applause moments... the media... well we all know how that goes by now.

[Parker CA]

31. This will be an enormous issue for Biden to contend with.

If this debate is judged with sound muted, I am guessing the win would be for Pailure. She will be dressed well, presented well, and she will immediately take ths spotlight because she is the "attractive" woman taking on her opponent on the big stage. Many men will not listen to a word she says, rather look at the way she presents. She has a body language that commands the stage. She points a lot, she will scowl, and she will sneer, all in an expression of "passion" for the issues. It will be seen like this by many of the RW and I would venture to guess also by the independent men viewers.

Biden needs to act like he's debating a female senator. I hope he is training with videos from all of her debates and speeches to get a sense of the bizarre comments he will be asked to respond to. She will be a tough opponent for the mere fact that her responses will likely be direct attacks on Obama and completely off-topic, or they will be so poorly worded that deconstructing her language to respond is going to take more time than Biden may have. Biden must visciously stay on topic and constantly address Gwen's questions and maintain focus. If he can do this, Pailure will have a bit more difficult of a time veering off track, and it will become more clear when she is hitting rough water.

The most difficult thing for Biden, yes also the most crucial for him to find a way of dissecting will be Pailures true views on the issues. There is no reason to believe that Pailure will present her true extremist views unless asked very blunt questions by Gwen. If this is the case, Biden must sort out a strategy of digging quickly to the root of Pailure's beliefs through his responses and subsequent short questions to her. The majority of the public does not understand how right of right Pailure's views sit, and because of this, it will be Biden's job to really work at bringing those issues to the surface on the national stage.

My hope is that Gwen can pose very direct questions requiring short responses, but that the questions will drill right to the base of crucial issues since much of the country knows virtually nothing about Pailure or Biden for that matter. If Gwen steps into this debate with the motivation of wanting to paint for the nation a clear picture of who both of these candidates really are, then we will come out on top. If she chooses rather to skip around from topic to topic and not really drill down to any substantial concepts and philosophies, we are going to have a much more difficult time.

[FatDave]

37. This is a woman who cannot even handle a Katie Couric interview.

Now she's going to go up against Joe Biden, who is a knowledgeable speaker and a top-notch debater. She's going to puke on National television and run off stage. If they even let her walk out on stage.

[gemlake]

43. I agree. Look at our discussion of last night's debate:

We talk about how McCain refused to look Obama in the eye, how he was hunched over the podium and looked old and tired. His tie was ugly. He grimaced and smirked while Obama talked. Those are all "sound off" observations. The same can happen to Biden.

[Franks Wild Years]

44. In theory, but....

...Biden is a much smoother and more forceful speaker than McCain, and his delivery is done with a smile. McCain's smile is probably the most forced I've ever seen, and his default state appears to be one of anger and contempt. Such an impression isn't offered by Biden, I don't think.

[gemlake]

55. The point is that it could be anything--from the

way he looks (Nixon), to how he responds to Palin (no sighs, please). I hate to be a concern troll, but this debate is no slam dunk.

[trashcanistanista]

77. His tie WAS ugly, I thought it was me,

this is the first mention of it. It was a mini picnic tablecloth pattern i think. Gross.

[Starlight]

67. Style? What style? The woman comes across as a blithering moron.

[kstewart33]

12. That's the best news I've heard all day.

My, Thursday will be interesting.

[ailsagirl]

13. No one's ever HEARD her "debate"-- how can they say???

That's ludicrous... blind faith, I guess :crazy:

[Wetzelbill]

14. It's because McCain has tried to make him into a gaffe machine and her into Super Maverick Woman

When the "fall on your face" moment comes, it will come hard.

[aaaaaa5a]

15. I think the majority of voters...

only saw her speak at the GOP convention. That's all they know about her. They are in for a real big surprise next week!

[ClarkUSA]

16. Palin is the greatest debater since Cicero. Biden will be hard put to keep up with her brilliance..

Pass it around.


:evilgrin:

[Cha]

23. I keep wondering if this isn't all

a machiavellian plot by heinous to lower palin's expectations so low that all of a sudden she's in the debate like she's had a brain transplant.

I'm sure it's crossed Team Obama Biden's minds, too.

[ClarkUSA]

54. Wonder no more...

Biden is probably cramming for the debate -- by getting lots of sleep.

Meanwhile, Palin is being fitted for her custom earpiece.

[Cha]

64. She better get busted

if she needs an earpiece.

[ClarkUSA]

66. Unfortunately, all bets are off if her hair is over her ears.

However, she's so dimwitted that it's hard to imagine her gracefully processing info over an earpiece
while talking at the same time.

[Cha]

75. Is there not another way to

detect this without actually seeing the earpiece? Or is technology so great that someone can broadcast to her from anywhere without connection exposure?

[BeyondGeography]

18. People are such fucking dipshits...at least this time it works in our favor

By Friday, they'll want Joe Biden to be their President.

[Terri S]

19. Pretty frightening how uninformed viewers are

Good news for us, but scary reminder of just how stupid and uninvolved with the political process too many people are.

[nc4bo]

20. Good news for us Dems!! Keep the expectations low for both haha. nt

[anonymous171]

24. Phew, that's a relief.

So expectations aren't too low for her.

[GoesTo11]

25. Remember 2000. Knowledge isn't necessary.

Even in the primary debates, * was held to very low expectations. When he answered the question about who was his favorite political philosopher by saying "Jesus Christ" and no one called bullshit, he won the debate. Same game in the fall, more or less. Anything can happen. It's not about skill, it's not even about performance. It's survivor island.

[WinkyDink]

26. So the electorate is AS IGNORANT AS SHE IS. Just great.

[Jennicut]

27. Except this time its in our favor. If expectations are too low then she will win no matter what

If expectations are high there is no where for her to go but down. Especially if she does not "appear" to talk well and seems nervous.

[onecent]

28. Then these people haven't seen Biden in full form. He's great!

He is going to be one big surprise for the Repbugs.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

41. you are right!

[pdxmom]

29. Keep in mind that the majority of the Repuke base still think she is a

genius and have found her answers to Gibson and Couric to be absolutely correct and insightful. They think she looks like an idiot because of the "confrontational" questions and the biased media.

[WA98296]

30. The VP rules have been made "easier" "for Palin" new time limits in effect...

Republicans wanted to limit the amount of time for answers as a way to aid Gov. Sarah Palin. The v.p. contenders wil get 90 seconds to respond to questions followed by a two-minute discussion period of each topic.


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[amborin]

32. gives you an idea of what

the electorate is like that we're dealing with

in this case, ignorance helps dems

[FatDave]

33. Where do they find these people? (nt)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

34. Me wait for link.

[Sodan]

35. OMG

[Raine]

36. Whoop ... that's GREAT!

We don't want people to have low expectations of her cause we don't want anyone "cutting her any slack." :-)

[LiberadorHugo]

38. CNN Poll: 46% of Americans like their Bible with a side of crack-cocaine.

Wow. People really do give this woman far too much credit.

[WCGreen]

59. Get your drugs right...

It is a well known fact that Meth is the preferred drug for rural bible thumpers.

And it fit's in with their buy American first stance,

[gemlake]

39. Great news for us. We need to keep expectations

low for Biden. The Obama camp is already working the press. See HuffPost
They're even sending out video of her Alaska debates, to show that she's a good debater.

[renie408]

40. Did they poll people who have been trapped on a deserted island for the past six weeks? n/t

[TNMOM]

45. Awesome. Let's keep talking her up.

[eshfemme]

46. In this case, Joe's relatively lowered profile is working in our favor.

Despite Joe's tireless work stumping for Obama, his work as attack dog was marginalized by the media's love for shiny new objects of the moment. At least, that distraction is now working in our favor because it'll make Joe's victory that much more kick ass when he wows people who aren't expecting it. :D

Palin couldn't even fucking MEET the lowered bars with her interviews or the dumb fucking RNC speech that she uses as her stump speech. I seriously doubt that she will be able to meet the higher expectations of a 90 minute long debate.

NINETY MINUTES! She couldn't even take a 29 second long editorial presence at her meeting with Karzai!!!

[Disturbed]

53. She ran for Mayor & Gov. so she has debated.

Sen. Biden should not give he any slack at all. I am sure that he will do quite well.

Some people in Alaska have viewed her in debates, so most Americans have not seen or heard her debate an opponent. Interviewers are not usually opponents.

[TNMOM]

47. we have to remember the debates don't win over principled voters...

those people have already chosen sides (how can they not?)

The debate is a grab for the low-info voters who vote with their "gut." And on that front, Sarah Palin is very much a threat. We'd be foolish not to recognize that. The good news is Joe Biden works the same play ground. It's going to be a bloodbath.

[BlooInBloo]

49. (shrug) The voters are in for a shock then.

[Median Democrat]

50. GREAT! Since No One Has Even Seen Biden, The Public Will Be Surprised

[AzDar]

51. Good.

:evilgrin:

[TTUBatfan2008]

56. Polls like that make me sad...

People are so fucking uninformed in this country. Anyone who follows politics at all knows that Biden might very well be the best debater of all the politicians on the national scene. It's fucking sad and pathetic that so many people are that clueless about it.

[Blondiegrrl]

58. I totally agree. It makes me sad AND angry.

WTF can't people pay attention to what is happening in this country?

I guess politics just isn't as fascinating as how many kids the Jolie-Pitt family has.

*sigh*

[Binka]

61. Paying Attention To A Breeding Zoo Baffles Me As Well

This country. The future of this country. The today of this country. That matters to me. Jolie's uterus and what pops out of it. Not at all.

[elleng]

73. From what I can tell,

its probably not so easy for most to 'follow politics at all.' I'm visiting in Palm Beach County, Florida, and news sources are SO BAD/Deficient here (compared with DC area) that there's no way voters can be well informed, IMO.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

57. Did this get verified?

[Stargleamer]

60. I actually expect her to do relatively well,

and far exceed expectations. I think they've been preparing her for this and that's why no one's seen her for a while. Still, I expect Biden to win easily.

[mzmolly]

62. Goooooooooood.

:evilgrin:

[charlyvi]

63. I fear she'll be SOOOOO bad that the media won't pile on

out of pity. They'll make excuses so as not to pour salt in the wound.

[Marsala]

68. Oh, they'll pile on, all right

Just look how they responded to the Couric interview. If they actively show pity, that's even worse for her.

[Mad_Dem_X]

65. Do WHAT now?

Wow. Those folks are going to be quite surprised when Joe Cool wipes the floor with Miss Congeniality.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. How do people not know Biden?

He's *always* on the Sunday talk shows.

[Imagevision]

70. I agree, this should be an excellant debate for Dems' not so for the pigs!

[zeek 463]

71. I can allmost see her freaking out and running off the stage LOL

or Biden giving her a verbal beating till she breaks down into a pile of mush.

[Starlight]

74. I doubt it. I suspect she's too clueless to even realize how ridiculously uninformed she sounds.

[zeek 463]

76. man I'LL say... LOL....as dizzy as the day is long.

[ananda]

72. That's amazing!

How would they know? I mean, how many people have seen Palin debate? I haven't. I have no clue what kind of debater she is.

However, judging by her interviews and extremist bushrovian views, I'd say that her chances against Biden.. who CAN speak, think well, and debate.. are slim to none.

[Hippo_Tron]

78. ROFL, voters are in for quite a surprise then

[SweetieD]

79. good news