They're making a big deal of Obama saying that "John is right."

[The Backlash Cometh]

Now we'll see if Bill Clinton's ass kissing style is going to work in our favor. Even Buchanan is saying that Obama came across like a nice guy.

You know you'll never please these people. Question is, how do we counter spin, their spin?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. I wasn't born here, but I know Americans like strength, people who fight back...

.... we Democrats just don't fight back very much.

[The Backlash Cometh]

9. We know Obama can fight back.

He strategically did not want to come across that way tonight. It's possible that it might work if we can push that McCain was grumpy. Tweety came up with that comeback.

[Starlight]

17. McCain = grumpy old geezer "You kids get off my lawn!"

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Hey, that last part has special meaning to me. Careful there.

[Starlight]

25. He also did a lot of "back in my day...Ronald Reagan...I have a record..."

:eyes:

[silverojo]

36. Obama should have pounced on that immediately

He should have said that you can't use 20th century thinking for 21st century problems.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

24. :(

In other countries when people want to show strength, they act with strength, not politeness. Maybe it's me? Maybe I'm mistaken in thinking a person should show strength.

[The Backlash Cometh]

31. Agreed. But maybe Obama was showing that he can work with Republicans

and bring us together?

[Sarah Ibarruri]

34. :( I'm not from this country but if I've noticed one thing about Americans, it is this.....

.... they don't like softies. It strikes them as wimps.

[silverojo]

37. People are sick of Dems bending over to "work with" Repukes

Why do you think Congress' poll numbers are so low?

[dansolo]

39. It is because Congress hasn't been doing anything

And that is because the Republicans have been blocking everything. People aren't angry at Congress because the Dems are working with the Republicans, they are angry because the Republicans won't work with the Democrats. The Democrats' problem is that they don't point this out at every opportunity.

[silverojo]

41. It's because the Dems bend over to the Repukes on every issue. n/t

[Patsy Stone]

2. What he agreed with him on

was how fucked up the current system is, and he needs to keep pointing out the Republicans caused it.

He also didn't agree with him on a lot of solutions or substantive issues, just McCain's initial assessment of the issues in his two minutes.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Call me what you want, but I'd never say I agree with the other side nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. And you've won how many elections?

:shrug:

[casus belli]

16. I'm sorry but that's a very silly thing to say.

So you're saying that if a Republican came aboard for health care that you would oppose him just because he's conservative? that would make us no better than Limbaugh, Hannity or any of the other talking heads who do precisely that every day.

[silverojo]

38. Hell, YES I'd oppose him!

Because 1) he's lying about being on board for health care, and 2) he's going to want to outlaw abortion, and enact all the other 13th century items on the Repuke agenda.

[The Backlash Cometh]

12. That's a good point, Patsy.

I'm getting hung up on the sound bite, and not putting it in proper context.

[Patsy Stone]

27. I'm not saying there won't be a sound bite

but I think once everyone actually looks at what he agreed with him on, any damage can be remedied. Besides, I haven't heard anyone on ABC talking about it, and George Will thought Obama was good, well-prepared, and passed the CIC test, if not a bit tweedy.

I know what you're saying though, I wish he didn't say it as many times as he did.

[niceypoo]

4. He agreed when McCain stated the obvious

Should he have disagreed with the obvious?

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. That's what Obama's people needs to meat out.

[Sparkly]

5. To me, that's a sign of confidence!! nt

[dogpatch]

10. unfortunately

I think it will be seen as weakness.

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. My hubby said that he liked it because he felt that Barack is more

open to bringing the two sides together.

He felt that Obama started out strong and ended weaker, the reverse for McCain, but that McCain should have won the International side of the debate and hubby felt he came out neutral.

Also said that it's possible that he got spun, but felt that McCain had the better energy plan.

Hubby thinks it's a draw, or possibly Obama squeaking with a photo finish.

[damndude]

6. lets face it

there are things that both republicans and democrats believe in together. we can pretend that that's not the ca on many important. all we want is for him not to say the words, "john is right"

[silverojo]

42. I wish I could K&R your post

Because it's the most sensible one I've seen tonight. :)

[moondust]

7. It is only Republicans that NEVER admit

that their opponent is sometimes right. (Even a broken clock is right twice a day.) It's a cornerstone of their no-compromise, slash and burn, failed politics.

[TTUBatfan2008]

11. And if he came across as stubborn like McCain...

he'd be portrayed as the angry black guy.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. I think you hit it on the nail. It was going to be one way, or another,

[WorseBeforeBetter]

28. He doesn't need to act stubbornly--he just needs to stop saying it.

Many American voters are idiots and vote solely on who they perceive as "strong." Saying over and over that your opponent is right is not "strong" in their little pea brains. It's that simple. I don't think McCain said once that Obama was right--they'll perceive that as strength. God, I'm fed up...

[MasonJar]

13. Even my son-in-law, who is liberal as you come, said that Obama

was too conciliatory. He thought McCain was winning because Obama did not attack well enough. I thought that all McCain had was attack, but I am prejudiced so what do I know. I do know one thing and that is that it was totally obvious that Gore and Kerry beat Bush.

[nc4bo]

14. I hope we won't be seeing this over and over again. nt

[silverojo]

44. I'm afraid that we will see it over and over again

The McCain attack machine has already slapped this piece of shit together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

Words taken totally out of context, and Obama made it so easy. :-(



ON EDIT: Sorry, I see this video was posted on this thread before.

[iamthebandfanman]

19. well the media loves how divisive politics is today

so of course they will

[TheDonkey]

21. Obama did this in a Hillary debate and it didn't work very well

At first it seemed like a good choice to agree with Hillary with everything but in a few days his bounce was gone because HE didn't gain any ground. Obama was playing it too safe. I understand he is in the lead and that's good but we need to KO McClown NOW.

[951-Riverside]

22. I hope they take it and run with it

This is not a time to find common ground the McSlime. Hopefully Obama will learn his lesson and chose is words carefully next time.

[vanderBeth]

23. They were discussing that among independants. Obama came of nice and McGrumps came off

condescending.

[1corona4u]

26. I know!!!!!

[truthisfreedom]

30. It's a demonstration of his genuine diplomacy.

He's a master of getting people together on issues, and this is a valuable tool. I'm certain a lot of undecideds saw him as "getting things done" as a result of this trait he has of rewarding being right.

[The Backlash Cometh]

33. Well, that's how it came across to hubby who is excessively apolitical

and thinks all this talking to anonymous people on the net is nuttery.

[JerryWest_44]

32. An ad already?

They already have an ad on this theme ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc

Man that was fast ....

[silverojo]

43. Oh, Jesus....

WHY did Barack Obama shoot himself in the foot that way? If this shit gets on TV, it'll make Obama look like a complete ass.

[silverojo]

35. As well they should

If McCain's "absolutely right" so damned much, then why is Obama even running against him?

It's Obama's job to show where McCain is WRONG and Obama is right. You don't do that by agreeing with your opponent, then waiting until the very end of a lengthy sentence to say what you'd do differently.

Because, people (me included!) get so annoyed with your repeating the same thing over and over, they get to the point where they won't listen to anything after the word, "but".

[depakid]

40. One of the most basic rules of debate

Don't (especially continually) validate your opponent- or your opponent's positions.

Why he kept doing that was baffling. Either he can't overcome his congenial nature- or he's getting some very questionable coaching and advice.

[Norrin Radd]

45. Don't worry. This is the YouTube age.

Our side is better at creating influential vids.