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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 08:58 AM
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For Those Who Supported Hillary in the Primary...
Just trying to get a read on how comfortable you feel with Obama as a candidate now, compared to how you felt in Feb-May. Not trying to re-hash anything. But I really am wondering if/how your overall opinion of him has changed since he's hit the trail for the GE.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:00 AM
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1. Not trying to rehash anything? Thats funny!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:03 AM
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2. I'm not.
And this thread doesn't have to go in that direction.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:08 AM
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7. Long before the primary season
started I was 150% behind whomever the dems nominated (as is the case every election.) I was, and still am, a Wesley Clark supporter. My loyalties went foursquare for the nominee after we had a nominee. I'd like to see our efforts directed toward the Dementia-Zealot ticket.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:16 AM
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12. Me too.
I vote for the well-being of my family and country...not loyalty to a candidate.

I thought that Hillary could win more easily, was more experienced. I do think it will be harder for Obama to win, but it will be a more satisfying win and I think he will make a better president simply because he will have fresh new ideas.

Honestly, nine out of the ten candidates we had would have made excellent presidents. Gravel...NO!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:42 AM
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33. Yeah, I'm still suffering from Wesley Interruptus. It's a sad statement...
that I think this country needs to be run more like the Army!

But Clark - and Webb - are the two Dems making the best arguments about how the little guy is getting screwed bad.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 02:01 PM
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48. General Clark and Senator Webb
both took care of their kids, so to speak, in the military. In my military career I discovered that the most successful officers were those whose troops/sailors/marines came first. And as a four star Clark had as much if not more administrative experience and responsibility of any Governor in the nation. I hope that he is appointed Secretary of State.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:04 AM
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4. Yep, you nailed it
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:03 AM
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3. I believe he is the best candidate running.
Not my first choice during the primary, nor my second(my second choice is running as VP). But, as the democratic platform it is the best thing for this country, I will vote along party lines.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:08 AM
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6. I liked Biden after Obama too. I like our ticket.
I like Hillary too, she is doing a good job campaigning despite what some may say.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:24 AM
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19. Thank you, Evergreen Emerald.
Your post made me smile.

I know you and I mixed it up a bit during the primaries. Please...no hard feelings. :hug:

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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 08:38 PM
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49. No hard feelings!
Its all good. :)
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:51 PM
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51. He's the best candidate we've had in years.
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crappyjazz Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:07 AM
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5. I really wanted Hillary to win, but
I never had anything against Obama. She would have been my preference (I'm Canadian tho, so my "preference" is immaterial) because of the "experience" thing. What had me worried was the mess that would be left to clean up. I think it will be an incredible job to fix what Bush/Cheney and the cronies have broken so badly and I was worried that Obama wouldn't have the experience to fix it all. Back then, I didn't know much about Obama and now that he is the candidate, I'm looking closer and realize that what he may lack in experience, he makes up for with intelligence and logic. He has surrounded himself with the necessary resources to help him. I listen closer when he speaks, I've read through his entire website, and I'm totally impressed by his smarts, his plans, his thinking, his goals and his ability to cut through crap and show that he really does get "it". He's inspiring in a way that comes through honestly and makes me believe in him and his plan to get America back to what it used to be.

I'm sorry to ramble ... bad toothache ... hoping what I typed makes sense.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:17 AM
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13. As a pollster, I saw her strength with Indy and liberal Republican women...
She could TAKE those votes from McCain and GIVE them to the Dems. That's a double whammy to the Republicans.

I regret neither Clinton nor Obama ran against Bush in 2000 or 2004. They wouldn't have gotten kicked around.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:31 AM
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23. Kinda funny
I've seen polls (which, unfortunately, I can't accurately cite now, so I have nothing to back the statement up) that said otherwise.

Regardless, I was torn between Obama and Hillary for quite a while, believing that either one will have made an excellent president. I finally ended up supporting Obama when I remembered how much trouble the GOP caused Bill back in the nineties - I firmly believe he could have accomplished even more great things if the GOP hadn't been forcing him to defend himself against everything they could dig up. I worried the same might happen to Hillary, and while I'm sure she could weather it, we're at a time when a lot need doing, and I want the next president able to focus entirely on governing.

The GOP had been anticipating her run for eight years, and had eight years to dig up everything they could find about her. There are likely numerous dossiers filled with stuff to attack her with; why else was Rush and other Right-wingers pushing people to vote for her (Operation: Chaos)? She would have also had the effect of energizing the GOP base against her, and likely McCain would have picked someone actually competent as his VP. Add in all that to my being immensely impressed with Obama's amazing campaign organization and ability to inspire, and... yeah.

Still would have voted for her in a heartbeat, mind.

Just my 0.02.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:37 AM
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28. I understand where you are coming from....
I just have less faith that it is Democrats that can stop the Right Wing slander machine. To me, it's kind of blame the victim when the boogeyman is still out there.

They're both EXCELLENT candidates.

I just got tired of folks here saying "she's unelectable" when two national surveys taken in the last week of May had her beating McCain by five percentage points more than Obama did. She is very electable.

The other electoral pattern for her is that she has a shadow vote - the opposite of the Bradley/Wilder Effect - in that she consistently gets more votes than polling points. All those Indy women and many Republican women tell their spouses and pollsters they're voting Republican, then they go and vote for Clinton.

I think both candidates have a weakness with lower income white men. We need to get just enough of them on board to win this thing.

Keep the faith!

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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:47 AM
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36. I can see your points as well
And have to admit, I wasn't hanging around here during the primaries, so I didn't see any of the fighting and arguments I've heard about.

I actually think Obama has the same thing. People out there who say they won't vote for him, but when they get into the polls and ppull that curtain shut, they cast their vote for Obama. I've met a few, men or women who say they're supporting him, but don't want their significant others or friends to know.

And, to be fair, they both have the Bradley Effect against them. There are just as many people who won't vote for a woman as there are who won't vote for a black man, even if they claim otherwise.

Regardless, you are correct on the low-income white men factor, but I think we will win enough of them over.

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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:19 PM
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50. "what he may lack in experience, he makes up for with intelligence and logic"
I really like the way you phrased that. It zeros in on why we talk about judgment and emphasizes that McCain lacks all three.

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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:08 AM
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8. I was a strong Hillary supporter.
I was very angry at some of the things that went on during the primary.

I am over it.

I support Obama fully.

He's our candidate. There is no other choice.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:08 AM
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9. Jeepers, I didn't mean this to somersault into a flamefest!
I even said I didnt in the OP! How could this have had of happened!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:18 AM
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14. so far, it's been ok
I was a bit worried before I pressed the send button, but was pretty sure we could handle the conversation at this point.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:21 AM
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16. I'm 1000% sure there won't be no problems.
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:24 AM
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20. One post does not a flamefest make.
I think it was a good question. I think people need to know that most (I'd be willing to bet the farm) Hillary supporters were not AGAINST Obama. We had really good candidates so it was a tough choice to make. I agree, the MSM did treat Hillary badly, but I think it's less sexism than just wanting to create drama to boost ratings.

Our situation was not a bad thing. The republicans had ALL losers and choose the worst one...and he chose a gimmick as a running mate. That's bad.
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MelSC Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:12 AM
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10. I was for Hillary during the primaries...
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 09:15 AM by MelSC
...but I absolutely love Obama, and plan on voting for him in November. I am completely comfortable with him being the President of the United States. The only reason I chose Hillary over Obama was that I felt she had better experience and I have always had great admiration and respect for her...I felt I knew her better.

With that said, I have no doubt in my mind that Obama will be an amazing president.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:14 AM
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11. I liked both Obama and Clinton better as the campaign went on. They're smarter and tougher...
than Gore and Kerry.
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hillary Donating Member (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:19 AM
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15. Not my first choice, but the only choice
and our only hope.

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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:22 AM
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17. in comparison to mccain he is like god. or atleast like a sane person.
whichever, works well for me.
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:23 AM
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18. I voted for HRC in the primaries. . .
but I TOTALLY support Barack Obama 100%!!!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:38 AM
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29. Me two!
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:24 AM
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21. I'm fine with him, but my husband won't vote for him... he will be staying home
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:30 AM
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22. why?
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RichGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:32 AM
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25. Tell your husband...
That you respect his right to make his own choice. But, that it makes you and the children (if there are children) very, very sad that his loyalty to Hillary is more important to him than his own family.
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cags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:22 PM
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54. I have, believe me. We have 2 daughters! But he believes the Obama campaign did Hillary wrong
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:39 AM
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30. Tell him to write in, that way he's on record as voting. Turnout is important.nt
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:32 AM
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24. I'm as comfortable with him as I was with John Kerry
But 100% in his corner.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:35 AM
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26. I think Obama is excellent. Actually I am pissed that Hillary is not out there more and attacking.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:40 AM
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32. It's not her call to do so. She's been working hard for Obama in FL, for example...Then there's
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:48 AM
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37. I think she's doing a great job.
On the stump, where it counts the most.

the MSM realized that the soap opera was over, and moved her out of the spotlight.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:55 AM
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40. She is doing a great job, but I would like the zinger sound bites that she can deliver.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:36 AM
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27. I can speak for my mom who was really upset when Hillary lost, and said she was sitting out.
(I never really believed that.) Nevertheless, McCain's pick of Palin, infuriated her and now is firmly behind Obama. I have seen a similar shift in my sisters and other women in my family that were ardent Hillary supporters.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:40 AM
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31. Yes, I wanted Hillary, but
She didn't get the nomination. Unlike some rich donors, I'm a big girl and can deal with disappointment.

Obama is our candidate and I will support him 100%.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:43 AM
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34. My sister voted for HRC
and wasn't really sold on Obama until McLame picked Palin and now she's 100 percent behind Obama, and even said that Obama is growing on her.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:43 AM
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35. I am voting for him.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 09:44 AM by Marrah_G
He is a far superior choice then McCain.

As for your question, it is a mixed bag for me. I will not say any more then that on DU. I am not a "moran". The slightest criticism or disagreement from me will be seen as an attack on the candidate.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:49 AM
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38. I hear ya. n/t
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:08 AM
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41. Yes, I understand.
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eggman67 Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:17 PM
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53. My sentiments exactly.
Edited on Fri Sep-19-08 10:18 PM by eggman67

He is a far superior choice then McCain.

As for your question, it is a mixed bag for me. I will not say any more then that on DU. I am not a "moran". The slightest criticism or disagreement from me will be seen as an attack on the candidate.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:54 AM
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39. I supported Hillary during the primaries and was really disappointed when she
didn't win the nomination. My opinion about Obama hasn't changed because I never had a negative feelings toward him and I now support him as the Democratic nominee.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:08 AM
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42. Right. I'm pissed at the way the press treated her, not the Obama campaign. nt
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:01 PM
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43. agreed. nt
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:10 PM
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44. Absolutely comfortable...
Absolutely comfortable. We had a wonderfully strong and vibrant set of candidates to choose from. My own choice was for the good Senator from NY, but I fully support Sen. Obama in the here and now.

As for particular and individual supporters who were a bit too militant for my taste? Not so much.

But for my part, I'm already planning a Election Night Party at my place to welcome Sen. Obama to the White House ans the next President of the U.S.
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Secret_Society Donating Member (466 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:11 PM
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45. 100% behind him but still wish he chose HRC as VP
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:14 PM
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47. I agree. Hillary was my first choice. But Biden is good too :)
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 12:14 PM
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46. Much better. Though I always liked Obama. I think he has turned out to be a fine candidate n/t
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 09:53 PM
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52. I was a hardcore Hillary supporter, and I'm THRILLED with Obama!!
He has totally grown on me, and I love him more every day! I love that he's a fighter! And Joe Biden rocks!
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-08 10:23 PM
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55. Totally behind Obama 1000% I love Hillary and she will still have her day
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