Converting right wingers to Obama?

[BrainStorm]

I have been thinking about this as an argument. We know that right wingers don't give a crap about people or what's good for them, but they do care about national defense. So here is an argument I thought of.

The US is right now involved in major wars for oil. Afghanistan (for the oil of the "stans") and Iraq (for the second largest oil deposits in the ME, and Venezuela (where much of our oil came from until recently; no we're not in full scale war there yet, but there have been failed coups of Chavez); these three are all well known. But the US also has major oil and natural gas interests in Africa, especially West Africa. China, with its booming industry and billion people, has recently turned to Africa as a major supplier of oil. (leav-www.army.mil/fmso/documents/chinainafrica.pdf, http://www.cfr.org/publication/10586/china_africa_and_oil.html)

So think about it: the US needs oil from the Middle East and Africa: a war in Iran? proxy wars in Africa?

And now think about the United States under a man who is half African with a Muslim name, Barack Hussein Obama. In my opinion, this man, just because of his race and lineage, will have an easier time exploiting Africa and Muslim countries than a guy named McCain. Obama has family in Kenya; he has ties to Africa. He can go in more "as a brother" (better than any Chinese diplomat) and secure American interests in the oil and natural gas producing nations of the world.

Maybe Obama will be better for energy security, especially if it involves overseas interests in African and Muslim countries, than McCain.

[holiday]

1. yeah you have to think like them to get to them

[safeinOhio]

2. How about he is the only one

that knows, understands and supports the Constitution.
Right wingers will love that.

[BrainStorm]

3. I don't think that will work,

Right wingers are really warmongers.

[iiibbb]

4. On another board I've been arguing with several...

... some of their group-thought is very deeply entrenched. Also their mistrust of democrats is off the charts. Still... there are some that waiver when I've showed them the proposed tax cuts. Others are shaken up about the economy.

I don't know if it's enough. It is astounding to me how people in general base their vote-leanings on seemingly superficial stuff on the order of "I can relate to X"... I almost think that's worse than single-issue voters.

[BrainStorm]

5. People vote for the silliest reasons.

I figured I'd give my reason a try.

[BrainStorm]

6. kick

:kick:

[ima_sinnic]

7. my neighbor is a racist Vietnam War vet who believes all the crapola about Obama, but

the other day he surprised me by saying (paraphrasing), "You know, I guess we'd look a lot better in the eyes of the world if Obama was president."

He is actually a kind person who hates war and said all the troops should be called home from everywhere in the world. He's also furious about Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheney et al. and is adamant that they should be tried for war crimes. But he admits he's a racist, basically because his mindset is stuck in about 1962. He said he came back from Vietnam and the first thing he saw was a white woman with a black man on a bus and it really struck him as "wrong," "that wasn't happening before I left."

He gets all uber-patriotic about McCain--he's a vet who served his country, therefore "John McCain would never lie." My head exploded when he said that! Sheesh! He said McCain was "nothing like" Bush because McCain actually served his country, whereas Bush was a chickenshit asshole who didn't even show up for a sissy-ass National Guard goldbrick assignment.

But, despite his respect for McCain, he was alarmed about Palin's Assembly of God crap, and he knows she's a total 2-dimensional cardboard cutout, and I've been working on him to at least vote AGAINST that ticket. He just does not trust Obama, thinks he's a Muslim (he keeps saying Obama said, himself, "I am a Muslim" in a speech. He said the context was that Obama was listing off the different religions that have been represented by presidents, e.g., Kennedy was a Catholic--(can't remember his other examples) -- WHAT SPEECH IS HE TALKING ABOUT? can anybody help me out here? I'd really like to explain it in context.) He feels that Obama is "just a politician" who will "say anything" to get elected.

He is a low-info voter, as are the people around me here in this cow town--I am virtually the only one around here who has even a computer, let alone Internet access. I'm assembling a bunch of articles printed off the Internet to try to sway this guy, who is actually not totally closed to my influence. He does read a lot and agrees that there is something "fishy" about 9/11. He was gloating over an article in the Bangor (Maine) Daily News about the war crimes forum that Vincent Bugliosi called in Andover, Mass., recently. I was happy to see that written up in our local rag.

But, anyway, the idea of improved foreign relations is, in my opinion, a good one for appealing to low-info voters.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Just tell them with McCain at the helm, China is going to swallow us whole....

that if we don't get our act together to meet 21st Century needs, America is going down.

Only Obama can bring us up to speed, which is why he understands that educating our workforce, fixing our infrastructure and bringing in the Green economy is the only way that we are going to climb out of this mess.

I told that to one of my fiscally conservative client, and he understood right away. This guy distributes calibrating devices, and I told him that the new economy under a President Obama is where his future market is, not so much the defense department.