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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:26 PM
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Iraq violence down "not because of the surge" according to paper:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/iraq-violence-is-down-ndash-but-not-because-of-americas-surge-929896.html

Iraq: Violence is down – but not because of America's 'surge'

If fewer US troops and Iraqis are being killed, it is only because the Shia community and Iran now dominate

By Patrick Cockburn
Sunday, 14 September 2008

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If McCain wins the presidential election in November, his lack of understanding of what is happening in Iraq could ignite a fresh conflict. In so far as the surge has achieved military success, it is because it implicitly recognises America's political defeat in Iraq. Whatever the reason for President George Bush's decision to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein in 2003, it was not to place the Shia Islamic parties in power and increase the influence of Iran in the country; yet that is exactly what has happened.

The surge only achieved the degree of success it did because Iran, which played a central role in getting Nouri al-Maliki appointed Prime Minister in 2006, decided to back his government fully. It negotiated a ceasefire between the Iraqi government and the powerful movement of Muqtada al-Sadr in Basra, persuading the cleric to call his militiamen off the streets there, in March and again two months later in the Sadrist stronghold of Sadr City. It is very noticeable that in recent weeks the US has largely ceased its criticism of Iran. This is partly because of American preoccupation with Russia since the fighting began in Georgia in August, but it is also an implicit recognition that US security in Iraq is highly dependant on Iranian actions.

General Petraeus has had a measure of success in Iraq less because of his military skills than because he was one of the few American leaders to have some understanding of Iraqi politics. In January 2004, when he was commander of the 101st Airborne Division in Mosul, I asked him what was the most important piece of advice he could give to his successor. He said it was "not to align too closely with one ethnic group, political party, tribe, religious group or social element". But today the US has no alternative but to support Mr Maliki and his Shia government, and to wink at the role of Iran in Iraq. If McCain supposes the US has won a military victory, and as president acts as if this were true, then he is laying the groundwork for a new war.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:42 PM
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1. K and R
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:44 PM
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2. Yay! Score!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-08 10:46 PM
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3. I read this over at Huffington Post
It makes it clear that Iraq is still a fucking mess that will take years and years and years and years to win if that is even possible. We need to get the fuck out. Our financial systems are crumbling all around us because of this occupation.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 12:08 AM
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4. One more kick before bed. Along with the economy, this is the other key to the White House
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