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Bennyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:13 AM
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Gaffe #1: Palin doesn't know Fannie and Freddie are privately owned!
Well, McCain campaign advisor Todd Harris said they didn't want Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to make a mistake early on, and that's exactly what happened today. Palin, commenting on the news that the Federal Goverment was going to take over the poortly performing loan organizations Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae, apparently did not know that the firms were privately owned and held. Palin said this, as written by the McClatchy Washington Bureau:



McCain's running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, speaking in Colorado Springs, Colo., said Fannie and Freddie had "gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers." The companies, however, aren't taxpayer funded but operate as private companies. The takeover may result in a taxpayer bailout during reorganization.
It's this basic lack of knoweldge of Federal Government operation that both Obama / Biden supporters and GOP backers who questioned McCain's logic in selecting Palin are concerned with. Palin has no experience in talking about, let alone working to solve, Federal Government problems and policy matters on a regular basis that many wondered if McCain would have to engage in "on the campaign trail" training.

It appears that's the case.

This comes a week before Palin's scheduled ABC interview.

http://zennie2005.blogspot.com/2008/09/palin-confuses-freddie-mac-fannie-mae.html
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:14 AM
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1. *Smacks forehead and shakes head* Oh boy! (eom)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:14 AM
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2. I hope this gets lots of coverage --
and it should, with the dearth of stuff that we're getting out of her, they should pounce on every word.


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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:00 PM
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75. So do I, gately. Because I think...
...it may come from this:

McCain (like Bush) is about privatizing everything. He (like Bush) derides big government institutions (FEMA, UN, Nato, Soc. Security, public schools, etc.) . He promotes the 'ownership society' as a smokescreen to get rid of these things because his basic philosophy is that they cost the government money and are not worth it. It's like when Bush has said he'll give tax cuts because "It's your money." But he intends to cut services (like with FEMA). But, remember, McCain says he doesn't know much about the economy...which is probably why he is continuing Bush policies. He's not smart enough to do anything new on his own.

I think he has shared his thoughts with Palin. Maybe talked about how all these things are expensive to tax payers. Just my guess. And she SLIPPED out the truth. JMHO.


McCain = 4 more years of Bush.

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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:15 AM
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3. All she knows is pork barrell
and earmarks. Who does she think will bail her out in DC? No big brother to fill her pockets.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:15 AM
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4. She's an idiot, and she's going down....
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:17 AM by 1corona4u
it happens in the debate. By the way, is Gwen Ifill a democrat? Anyone know?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:15 AM
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5. That's not gaffe #1 is it? Wasn't gaffe #1 her big, fat Bridge To Nowhere lie?
:shrug:
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:17 AM
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11. That was not a gaffe but simply a lie.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:24 AM
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30. And when she thought the founding fathers wrote the pledge of allegiance...
that was a gaffe from her gubernatorial campaign, and so it still doesn't count, right?

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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:28 AM
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38. She doesn't know what VP's do--but wants to make sure the office is somehow
"fruitful" for Alaska.
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:32 AM
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42. No wonder she didn't realize that...
the Founding Fathers were Community Organizers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3946204&mesg_id=3946204">Palin-phobia! And the Adams/Obama Precedent.

New and Improved Sarah Smackdown Included!
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:24 AM
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31. Gaffe #1...
Q. Are you offended by the phrase "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I'll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.
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daggahead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:22 PM
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73. And the idiots in the crowd cheer wildly ... n/t
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:15 AM
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6. Hey McCain found a VP who knows less about our economy than he does!
I didn't think it was possible.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:16 AM
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9. !
:spray:

Well it's not like the economy is a big issue this year or anything. :P
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:16 AM
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7. K&R! These types of stories need to be front page news!
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:16 AM
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8. Dipshit! God.. it's another BUSH!!! (only she actually believes the shit she spews.) n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:16 AM
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10. YIkes! You mean there are bigger issues confronting the US than who can field dress a moose?
You don't say!
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:17 AM
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12. First time speaking without a script since she was chosen... and whammo!


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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:17 AM
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13. Don't expect the invertebrate Charles Gibson to do anything but fawn.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:18 AM
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14. McCain admitted his ignorance on the economy Looks like his running mate brings even less knowledge
to the table.

I hope that there are some good questions of the economy asked during the debates. I have much more confidence in Obama/ Biden's ability to effectively deal with economic issues among many, many others.
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:18 AM
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15. Sarah Palin = Moron. She makes STUPID people look smart
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:18 AM
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16. How in the hell can you not know that?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:25 AM
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32. domestic issues aren't her strong suit
she's mostly been busy fending off the Russians.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:34 AM
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44. Hahahah... and making sure that Abstinence Only education is effective!
This was in the paper here on Sunday.

Made me smile. :)

Let's use Palin case to re-examine abstinence-only sex education
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/localnews/columnists/sblow/stories/DN-blow_07met.ART.Central.Edition1.26971e3.html
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:19 AM
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17. She didn't read or get briefed with any newspaper story on it?
Yikes
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:19 AM
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18. THE MSM NEEDS TO BE ALL OVER THIS!!!!
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:20 AM
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19. Well, lets have a 527 AD using this + McCain "don't know much about economy" theme
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:20 AM
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20. She's a beauty pageant loser who has a journalism degree
how the hell is she supposed to know anything about the economy?

i cannot believe this is the best the repukes could come up with.. and people are BUYING IT!

ugh.
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM
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21. Holy cow! Running for VP should not be a journey of education about the Federal Government. nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM
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22. You can bet David Gregory will never mention it:
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:33 AM
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43. This is interesting...
Didn't I read that the gov't as part of implementing the conservatorship, was going to reorganize the staff in there?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM
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23. Yikes--even I knew they weren't part of the government. How fucking dumb--she's
talking out of her ass.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:28 AM
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37. Me too.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:30 AM by Satbod Elder
It reminds me of Bush getting away with the comment that Social Security is not a government program.

(On edit: "Me too" meant that, like you, even I knew that. . . not that I was talking out of my ass!)
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM
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24. Someone please send this to the Obama campaign
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:21 AM
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25. Explains why there are no interviews any time soon...
They must have her in crash courses on everything that might pop up in an interview or debate.

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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:22 AM
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26. (In my dreams) Charles Gibson: Gov. Palin, who told you that Freddie Mac
and Fanny May were government entities?
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:22 AM
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27. We must continue to pounce hard on Palin's every mistake....
As much as people want Palin to go away, she's not going anywhere. It's Palin/McCain now. They know it, and we better accept it.

We must pound on Palin's incompetence and corruption until all reasonable Americans see she would be a disastrous Veep. The unreasonable people are lost. To them Palin is the new "person they want to have a beer with".
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Liberal Dose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:22 AM
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28. Everyone needs to keep asking the GOP; "Is Sarah Palin the best person you could find for VP? Is she
really the best choice?" So far I've heard the question asked, but never heard any of them answer.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:23 AM
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29. Does that mean that I'm more qualified to be VP than she is?

Evidently I know more about the economy, Fanny and Freddie than does Palin.

Can Haz Debates Soon? :shrug:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:55 AM
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53. not unless you've spent time in Ireland during a fuel stop
It's not enough to know about the economy--you need foreign experience too.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:22 PM
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63. Hey, I spent a week traveling around Ireland

If getting my backpack puked on while traveling on the ferry to the Arran Islands doesn't count as foreign experience, I don't know what does!

I now have the experience to never, EVER leave anything unattended on a boat in high seas. Someone will always see it as a :puke: target.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:25 AM
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33. If McLoon drops dead after being inaugurated, Palin's first move
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 11:26 AM by wienerdoggie
as President would be to eliminate the bloated Department of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Good to know.
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Sensitivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:26 AM
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34. Is this REAL?? Then AD AD AD AD -- even if not run it will get GAFFE into news cycle
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Blue State Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:26 AM
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35. Hey McCain, Where Did You Get That Albatros?
Alaska?

I just hope that Charlie Gibbson has the good sense to challange her on something difficult. But I won't be holding my breath.


Shamless Post Pimp http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3946204&mesg_id=3946204">Palin-phobia! And the Adams/Obama Precedent.

New and Improved Sarah Smackdown Included!
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:27 AM
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36. It's just a matter of time, people. Trust me, she WILL blow it.
This is just the beginning.

In the meantime, Team Obama needs to spend some of those millions we've been sending him to lash back and call them on their LIES!!!
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vanderBeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:28 AM
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39. What a flipping moran.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:29 AM
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40. I would like to see the full quote.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:36 AM
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46. Ask and ye oh well, you know the rest
""Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, they've gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers. The McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller, smarter, and more effective," said Palin. "

http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8964926
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:41 AM
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48. Wow--that's even more damning. She's talking about them like they're
federal agencies instead of private companies that have shareholders.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:05 PM
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58. I'm so jaded and cynical now that I still expect the campaign
and the media to spin it otherwise. I hope you're right but I don't have any faith left... :(
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:03 PM
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76. Could this be the reason? My...
...guess:

McCain (like Bush) is about privatizing everything. He (like Bush) derides big government institutions (FEMA, UN, Nato, Soc. Security, public schools, etc.) . He promotes the 'ownership society' as a smokescreen to get rid of these things because his basic philosophy is that they cost the government money and are not worth it. It's like when Bush has said he'll give tax cuts because "It's your money." But he intends to cut services (like with FEMA). But, remember, McCain says he doesn't know much about the economy...which is probably why he is continuing Bush policies. He's not smart enough to do anything new on his own.

I think he has shared his thoughts with Palin. Maybe talked about how all these things are expensive to tax payers. Just my guess. And she SLIPPED out the truth. JMHO.


McCain = 4 more years of Bush.

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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:09 PM
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71. lol! that's like saying
"Microsoft or Haliburton have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers. The McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller, smarter, and more effective".

Notice that just like McCain's speech, there no actual discussion of how to do that. I wonder if she even knew waht Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were 2 weeks ago.
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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:11 PM
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72. lol! that's like saying
"Microsoft or Haliburton have gotten too big and too expensive to the taxpayers. The McCain-Palin administration will make them smaller, smarter, and more effective".

Notice that just like McCain's speech, there no actual discussion of how to do that. I wonder if she even knew waht Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were 2 weeks ago.
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:32 AM
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41. Palin took out a Loan on her home so she's a Banking Expert
She had a piggy bank when she was 4 - she has 42+ years of banking experienece...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:40 AM
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47. The GOP... trying to out-stupid itself... and that's not easy!
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:36 AM
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45. oh for crying out loud. what was McCain thinking? n/t
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:42 AM
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49. The MSM will never show this gaffe.
They are protecting her.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:43 AM
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50. I think we can start pushing a "dumb" meme here, a la Quayle. Yeah, Bush Elder
still got elected, but Quayle didn't make the difference for him--Palin might make a difference for McLoon, if the media keeps pumping her up.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:04 PM
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77. Not 'dumb'. It's...
...ideology. JMHO.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:52 AM
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51. now on huffington
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:34 PM
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74. they have the most unflattering picture of her on huff po.
she was looking pretty bad in the silhouette/bad lighting.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:55 AM
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52. She's a fucking joke.
:kick:
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:55 AM
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54. kick
Ignorance must be bliss for some....
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:56 AM
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55. They are publicly owned by the stockholders
until this weekend
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:07 PM
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70. "too expensive to the taxpayers" ... did you catch it? "taxpayers" NOT stockholders.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:07 PM by redqueen
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:58 AM
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56. Bush didn't think Social Security is a federal program at one point during his primary.
Birds of a feather and all that.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:10 PM
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59. Yeah, we don't want people controlling government who
actually understand what the government consists of and how it functions. Then they would be elitist and less "like us". Can't have a beer with smarty-pants people who know how things work.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:15 PM
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61. They seem to take pride in their mediocrity.
McBush proudly announced he was 5th from the bottom of his 800+ class.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 11:59 AM
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57. Lemme guess...the press corpse are repeating this gaffe in an endless loop.
Or not. They're bending over backwards to cover for the fragile little woman veep in training.
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SurfingAtWork Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:14 PM
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60. Thats a beaut. I'm sure the MSM will be all over this
Like rosy, pleasant smells on shit.
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dawgmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:19 PM
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62. It's like watching the nightmare unfold, all over again
In 2004, I simply could not fathom that the American electorate was so stupid that it would actually elect a proven dunce as President. And now, I watch as this woman, so utterly unqualified, so lacking in education AND experience as compared to her opponents, is actually embraced by the public. What the hell is wrong with this country? When did we start disrespecting education, and start accepting and even applauding ignorance?????
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:06 PM
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79. It's by design. It has worked. 'Low information voters'...have fallen...
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:07 PM by YvonneCa
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:27 PM
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64. Yes, this is the TEAM we want "fixing" our economy.
:eyes:
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:31 PM
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65. And this lady could possibly be president in 4 1/2 months
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 12:33 PM by RedEarth
..that is frightening.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:33 PM
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66. Poor "Fun Steve". And he was going to make sure McCain Campaign was never embarrassed again

McCain's New Campaign Director/Coup Artist-- Steve Schmidt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6973717


ST. PAUL: It was what aides to Senator John McCain describe as probably the worst night of his campaign. As Senator Barack Obama claimed the Democratic nomination before a cheering sea of faces on national television, McCain countered with a lackluster speech in a half-empty hall, posed in front of a pea-green screen that became fodder for late-night comedy.

Steve Schmidt, a senior adviser to McCain who worked on President George W. Bush's campaign in 2004, could barely hide his fury in the coming days, as he announced — to anyone who would listen — that he would personally make certain the McCain campaign would never again embarrass McCain.

"Fun Steve is dead," Schmidt said. (http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/07/america/07schmidt.php)
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:35 PM
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67. Hockey Mom doesn't know what the PUCK she's talking about!
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:37 PM
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68. LOL! Good one. Matter of fact, a perfect bumper sticker! :-)
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:46 PM
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69. I'm surprised she didn't think it was one of her kids.... n/t
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redrobin Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:04 PM
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78. URGENT NEWS! PALIN'S PIPELINE IS A LIE! PLEASE HELP!
I'm a new poster here....they won't let me start a new thread
because they say I've not replied to enough first.

Please, SOMEONE, post this as a new thread. IT'S CRITICAL
NEWS:



THERE IS NO PALIN PIPELINE IN PLACE! SHE IS LYING AGAIN. GET
THIS ADDRESS OUT TO ALL THE BLOGS, PUNDITS YOU CAN, WE'VE GOT
TO GET THIS NEWS OUT:

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/palin_requests_talks_with_oil_executives

Palin requests talks with oil executives

Governor Sarah Palin has requested a conference call this
week with the CEO's of the major oil companies playing a role
in the potential development of Alaska's natural gas pipeline.

The requested participants include Tony Hayward from BP,
James Mulva from ConocoPhillips, Rex Tillerson from Exxon
along with others. According to my source, no one knows
exactly what the purpose of the call is, but some have never
the less speculated.

Last week in her address to the nation, Palin stepped far
over the line of truthiness (thanks Steven Colbert) when she
told the country, "I fought to bring about the largest
private-sector infrastructure project in North American
history. And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly
forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead
America to energy independence."

Nothing could be further from the truth.

In fact the state has done little more to move the gas
pipeline forward over the last twenty months than to grant a
Canadian company $500 million to push paperwork with no
guarantee a pipeline will be built.

Anchorage Daily News reporter Wesley Loy reported last month;

Palin said in her press conference that the state never
before had commitments to build this line. Now we do. That's
incorrect.

TransCanada has not promised to actually build the gas line,
one of the state's grandest and most frustrated economic
development dreams.

The state license, awarded under the Alaska Gasline
Inducement Act, or AGIA, which the Legislature passed at
Palin's request last year, is not a construction contract and
does not guarantee a pipeline will be built."

Since becoming Alaska's governor in December of 2006, Palin's
administration has had a very combative relationship with the
oil & gas industry in Alaska and has ignored any attempts
to communicate with them on development issues.

When the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) was introduced
and passed by the legislature in 2007, the administration
refused to entertain suggestions from the producers to make
the process more commercially viable. At the end of the day
the state had crafted a proposal that ignored all legal and
fiscal realities.

So instead of negotiating with the producers, the
administration said they'd rely on public and share holder
pressure to force three of the largest oil companies in the
world to commit to paying for the most expensive privately
financed project in the history of the United States.

Even United State Senator Ted Stevens raised serious concerns
about the process back in March saying; "financing terms
won't be set by the legislature, the governor or the Congress.
They're going to be set by the people who manage the
money."

Today, the state has awarded a $500 million inducement and
exclusive rights to TransCanada, while their CEO is on record
as saying that they cannot order one piece of steel pipe
without first gaining the financial support from the oil
companies. "Nothing goes ahead unless Exxon is happy
with it," CEO Hal Kvisle told the Toronto Globe and Mail
in August.

So what could the agenda be on this requested phone call by
Governor Palin?

Compromising on Point Thomson

The state is currently in litigation with ExxonMobil over the
development of Point Thomson, a gas field critical to the
economics of the Alaska gas pipeline. Alaska has only two
recognized gas fields and both have always been thought to be
critical to make the economics of the gas pipeline work.

During legislative testimony in June, Exxon's Alaska
Production Manager Craig Haymes said, "for 3.5bcf a day
pipeline for 25 years, you need 45 to 50tcf. That's how much
gas you need for that commitment. Prudhoe Bay is only 25tcf.
That means you need another Prudhoe Bay if Point Thomson is
off the table."

The producers including Exxon, BP, ConocoPhillips and Chevron
have stated in legislative testimony that without Point
Thomson, there will be no gas pipeline.

This spring, Exxon proposed a court ordered plan that would
have them spend $1.3 billion to develop the field to bring on
line to feed a gas pipeline. The Palin administration rejected
what everyone has called a reasonable and viable development
plan, because they don't trust Exxon.

After rejecting Exxon's plan, the administration has
continued to pursue litigation and has rejected Exxon's
appeal for court ordered mediation.

One of the thoughts is that in the conference call Palin
could offer to drop the Point Thomson litigation in exchange
for the producers agreeing to participate in the AGIA
proposal to build a gas pipeline.

This creates problems as some companies like ConocoPhillips
have a small play in Point Thomson and a larger play in
Prudhoe Bay. In addition, it ignores the fact that AGIA just
simply won't work because the state's terms are too
perscriptive and TransCanada brings no value to the project.

Also, the question was raised about Exxon's CEO Tillerson and
his willingness to participate in any discussions after his
company has taken such a rhetorical beating from Palin over
the last year. During a press conference last fall, Palin
stated that Exxon shouldn't let the door hit them on the way
out.

But now, with the campaign trying to portray Palin as an
energy expert, she needs Exxon more than Exxon needs her.
Especially with the favored son of her gas pipeline strategy,
TransCanada, admitting that until Exxon is happy, the gas
pipeline will not happen.

The shoe is clearly on the other foot. The question is how
does big oil, that Palin has claimed to be so tough on,
respond now that they clearly have the advantage.



Backing off the rhetoric of windfall profits tax

Another reason for the conference call could be to get an
agreement from oil company executives to shelve the rhetoric
about the windfall profits tax Palin signed as governor last
December.

In September of 2007, Palin proposed a $750 million dollar
tax increase on the industry. For weeks her administration
travelled the state convincing Alaskans that the tax hike was
justified and it would not impact development.

When the tax was eventually passed by the Alaska State
Legislature two months later, the increase had gone from $750
million to almost $2 billion and included a very steep
progressive tax component based on the increased price of a
barrel of oil.

Otherwise known as a windfall profits tax.

When asked about the massive increase from her original
proposal as she was preparing to sign the legislation in
December, she commented to KTUU news that is was close enough
to what she originally proposed.

Over the last nine months companies have been outspoken about
the impacts on Alaska's oil production at a time when
production is dropping between 6 and 8 percent per year.

In July, BP announced it's new development, Liberty, which is
a development entirely on federal land. The state will get no
production taxes and only a small amount of royalty over the
life of the project.

The new 90% ACES marginal tax rate does not make investing on
state land worthwhile, even with the tax credits. During the
ACES debate all the Palin administration focused on was
whether investors could make money under ACES. The question
they never examined was whether you could make more money
somewhere else.

Doug Suttles, BP Alaska's president, said due to the Governor
Palin's hefty ACES oil production tax adopted by the
legislature last fall, Liberty would not have been developed
on state land.

“If this were on state lands, it’s doubtful we’d have been
able to move it forward,” Suttles said. “Alaska is a very
high-cost environment for the industry."

Quite possibly, Palin wants oil companies to tone down the
rhetoric about Alaska's tax environment as she is trying to
position herself as having the energy answers.



Opening communications

In two different interviews with Alaska oil company
executives over the last two weeks both have said they same
thing; currently there is no communication between the Palin
administration and the oil companies. No front channel, no
back channel...nothing.

With Palin now on the national stage, one of the thoughts
could be she wants to appear to be having a dialogue with the
same big oil she claims to have been getting tough with during
her term as governor.

"And despite fierce opposition from oil company
lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we
broke their monopoly on power and resources", Palin told
Americans on Wednesday night.

Again, nothing could be further from the truth.

These companies hold hydrocarbon leases that were issued
decades ago. These leases granted them legal rights to
develop the oil and gas resources on state leased land and no
political speech changed that legal reality.

The bottom line is the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline won't be
built until the state sits down and negotiates a fiscal
framework that defines the resource extraction terms for
natural gas. So far this administration has refused to hold
any discussions with the industry and has instead decided to
spend $500 million of tax payer money propping up a straw man
with hopes they'll force the oil companies to cave.

Like many, I have been critical of this process. It's been
further aggravated by the administration's refusal to engage
in good faith negotiations, while relying on public support
for supposedly standing up to big oil. The reality is they've
doing little more than ignore both fiscal and legal realities
while risking delays at a time when inflation is driving up
the cost of construction.

If in fact the governor is requesting this conference call to
finally open lines of communications with these companies,
that's good for the state and the country.

Or maybe the call is a public relations stunt...

Over the last few days we've heard from both John McCain and
his campaign staff, promoting the idea that Governor Palin
has been tough on big oil.

Even Palin herself on the campaign website stated, "I've
stood up to the old politics as usual, to the special
interests, to the lobbyists, the Big Oil companies and the
'good old boy' network."

Possibly, the reason for the call could be to enhance the
image of a maverick governor telling big oil how the cow eats
the grass. This might play well in Peoria, but it won't do
anything to move the industry forward and build a gas
pipeline.

As governor for the last 20 months, Palin has consistently
criticized the oil companies for "sitting on Alaska's
gas reserves for the last thirty years."

This is factually incorrect.

Due to the expense of the Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline, the
price of natural gas didn't even reach a level that allowed
for serious consideration of the project until 2002.

Over the last five years, oil companies have been working on
trying to develop the gas pipeline. In 2003, the Alaska State
Legislature unanimously reauthorized the Stranded Gas
Development Act. In 2004, the federal government passed the
Alaska Natural Gas Pipeline Act that created rules and
incentives the project. In 2005 & 06 the oil companies
negotiated a deal with the former governor that was not acted
upon by the legislature.

When Palin was elected in 2006, she took a different route,
instead attempting to bypass the oil companies and deal with
an independent pipeline company who has neither the balance
sheet or the necessary gas reserves to make the project
happen.

In addition, the state agency (AOGCC) that regulates the
development of hydrocarbons to prevent waste, testified that
even if a natural gas pipeline was available today, they
wouldn't allow enough gas to be sold to make it viable
because the gas is still needed to help extract oil. With an
estimated 3 billion barrels of oil still remaining in the
ground on the North Slope and oil being worth much more than
gas, permission to sell the gas would be denied.

So while the rhetoric may sound good to energy starved
Americans about how big oil has been sitting on Alaska's gas
reserves for the last thirty years....the economic reality is
much different.

The fact is these companies don't make decisions based on
politics they make decisions based on economics. If they did
base decisions on political pressure, the Exxon Valdez
punitive damages case would have been settled over a decade
ago.

Public Opinion

A recent opinion poll conducted by The Cromer Group between
August 18 - 21, shows by a margin of three to one, Alaskan's
believe the producers Denali gas pipeline project is better
for the state than the governor's TransCanada proposal.

In fact, polling results reveal the more Alaskans understand
the TransCanada proposal, the more they say the deal is too
risky.

Two questions which asked Alaskans how they felt about
TransCanada's idea to appeal to Congress for financial help
with the project drew the most concern.

Congress passed a loan guarantee for $18 million dollars in
2004 to help promote the development and building of the gas
pipeline. But TransCanada proposes to use that $18 million
dollars, not to get going, which is the purpose of the loan,
but to use some portion of the money to cover its cost
overruns. What this means is TransCanada is asking US
taxpayers to pay for any cost overruns of the project that
TransCanada is managing. Do you feel…(READ LIST)


1. The risk was too high and should not have been taken,
or/57%

2. The risk was worth it and should have been taken?/13%

3. Don’t see this as a risk /9%

4. Can’t Say /21%



TransCanada’s plan asks for the U.S. Government to assume
some of the project risk by agreeing to pay billions of
dollars in pipeline transportation fees as a “bridge
shipper,” in case initial gas commitments from the major oil
companies are not enough to run the gas line at full
capacity. Do you feel…(READ LIST)


1. The risk was too high and should not have been taken,
or/53%

2. The risk was worth it and should have been taken?/16%

3. Don’t see this as a risk /6%

4. Can’t Say /26%


And in the end, disregarding all the problems, all the ifs,
ands, or buts – which is your own personal favorite? Is it
the (ROTATE) Denali Alaska Gas Pipeline Project; the AGIA
-TransCanada Gas Pipeline Project; or the All-Alaska Port
Authority Gasline Project?


1. Denali Alaska Gas Pipeline Project/45%

2. AGIA-TransCanada Project/15%

3. All-Alaska Port Authority Gasline Project/9%

4. None of these /3%

5. Can’t Say/28%
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80. It's true
Didn't she think they were the Bobbsey Twins---?

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