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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:29 PM
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The new, lying SurveyUSA poll about Palin's supposed bounce

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=36ee8fde-58bf-4027-a75b-b29d86b66b92

According to this new poll, Palin received a hefty bump from her speech last night. However, one must look into the workings of the poll, and it becomes blatantly obvious that this poll is erroneous and invalid.

When asking about the Presidential candidates, the poll asked "If you were placing a bet today, would you bet that Barack Obama will be elected president? Or, John McCain will be elected president?"
It is completely inappropriate polling to use the terms "betting" when asking whom one favors in the election. In order to maintain accuracy, pollsters must ask "who will you vote for?" Betting takes away individual choice, and asks the pollee to speculate.

Accordingly, those polled felt that they knew MORE about Palin and her affect on McCain's chances than they did about Biden. Are you fucking kidding me? How can 22% of those polled not know enough about Biden and Obama to make a decision?

Thirdly, I call major BULLSHIT that over 75% of polled register voters heard Palin's speech. To correlate that to the general populus (as polls are wont to do), is irresponsible. According to MSNBC, Palin's speech received 37 million total viewers last night. There are 225 million eligible voters in this country, and 65 millions registered voters. So, according to the poll, nearly 49 million people watched Palin's speech.

Finally, to tack the last nail in this freeper coffin, the poll statistics showed 36% republican affiliation, compared to 33% Democratic affiliation. This flies in the face of not only conventional wisdom, but statistical data and models this year. I find it to be extremely unlikely that republican percentage is higher than democratic percentage.

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Why is this poll blatantly inaccurate?
1. Possible push polling --> the pollsters failed to frame questions in a neutral stance, with high perceived bias towards McCain/Palin
2. Improper participant selection process --> a truly random dispersion of pollees should be evident in accurate party identification percentages. Since only land lines are used, this excludes many millions of wireless only Americans from polling eligibility, the majority of which lean Democratic.
3. Intentional neglect/malice --> SurveyUSA has tended to provide wildly divergent data on Obama, and the true motivations of the pollsters cannot be determined. This poll is likely intended to provide a perceived and growing support, however fraudulent, for McCain/Palin

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As has become evident, the polls are not our friends. The media is not our friend (as any and all attacks against Palin are immediately sexist). We must fight this at the grassroots level, and hope to God that sheer numbers can defeat the GOP machine (and their vote rigging).
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:31 PM
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1. Definite push poll -- the GOP got shitty results so they had to make some n/t
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:32 PM
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2. Did you send this to them? You should if you haven't.
They need to know that we see through their bullshit.

You should also send it to Obama's Watchdog team - Just so they know.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:33 PM
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3. SurveyUSA was ranked as one of the most reliable polls during the primaries
Edited on Thu Sep-04-08 06:36 PM by musicblind
and was often pointed to by people on DU in order to prove their points because of the accuracy they claimed that this poll held. That is why I found the original link to the polls reliability ratings... from DUer's who pushed SurveyUSA as accurate.

I'm not saying that this particular poll isn't biased. It may be. But I find it odd that every poll that disagrees with us gets dismissed as bias.

I saw the same polling companies during the primaries get dismissed and praised back and forth by the Hillary and Obama supporters all depending on who they showed in the lead and on what day.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:35 PM
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4. They can pretend to be popular, but that in itself doesn't make them popular.
Not this time.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:35 PM
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5. Just because it tells you what you don't want to hear doesn't mean
it's bullshit.

Moreover, 40 Million people or so watched it, so the numbers aren't that far off.

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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:36 PM
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6. I think there are a lot of people here who think Obama will win
the election but lose the fix, the betting question would take them into account.
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:52 PM
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7. Who did they poll?
The speech was just last night. Everyone has been at work all day except for stay-at-home moms and dads. :shrug:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 06:57 PM
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8. SurveyUSA Pulled the same shit last week after Obama's speech
and showed Obama got no bounce whatsoever.

Same shit, same fake weighting same fake results.
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